LGBT & ? vs Utah: Legal Arguments at 10th Circuit Begin April 10, 2014

[KNB]

Who did Adam and Eve beget?

Sons and daughters.
Next.

Do you really believe that? Honestly.

 

[KNB]

What is the reason to prohibit gay marriage if it's not based on religious doctrine, biology, procreation, or civil rights?

What the fuck are you Teabaggers arguing against? Really? Who cares if two gay people get married? Your Bible is shit and does not have any power over ANY state law, no matter how Christians vote for it. That's the Constitution that you Teabaggers claim to love so much. That's the very FIRST Amendment. The first words of the First Amendment, "Congress (state legislatures) shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." This means that 100% of Conservative Christians can vote for a law based on Biblical scripture mumbo jumbo, but it doesn't mean that that law is legal because it prohibits the freedom of others. Why do you people not understand this?

Scientifically speaking, two women can have a baby without male sperm, so that would mean that a lesbian couple would be a "two-parent household" with their own biological child, and therefore protected under the right-wing's argument of marriage being about biology. You have to protect the biology of that lesbian couple just the same as any hetero couple, otherwise the law is unfair.
BBC News | SCI/TECH | Lesbian couples 'could have own baby'

What exactly is the right-wing argument against same-sex marriage?

You were fondled by the priests a lot when you were a kid, right?

No, my mother was raised semi-Catholic but my dad was agnostic and my mom was liberal so I never really spent time in a church, thank God.

 

[OKTexas]

OKTexas, name the state, county, city or municipality that requires procreation as a prerequisite for civil marriage.

Show me anywhere I said any place did, hint, I didn't. I said they require biologically compatible individuals, as in one man one woman. Now where did I get it wrong?

There are 17 states and the District of Columbia that don't require "biological compatibility" (per your definition) and is not required for Federal recognition. They recognize Civil Marriage irregardless of gender of the two consenting adults.

So your definition of "biological comparability" isn't required.


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The discussion is about the places where it is required, what is it about you lefties being incapable of keeping up?

 

[The Rabbi]

Who did Adam and Eve beget?

Sons and daughters.
Next.

Do you really believe that? Honestly.

It's a true answer. Do you have some different answer?

 

[Seawytch]

The point was, two gay men or women are incapable, biologically, of functioning like a normal married couple.

Um, yes we most certainly can...and do.

I'm sorry, mutual masturbation doesn't count.

Gays, biologically, do the same thing straights do...have sex with each other resulting in orgasm.

The only difference between my marriage to my wife and his marriage to his is that I procreated.

 

[OKTexas]

Um, yes we most certainly can...and do.

I'm sorry, mutual masturbation doesn't count.

Gays, biologically, do the same thing straights do...have sex with each other resulting in orgasm.

The only difference between my marriage to my wife and his marriage to his is that I procreated.

No the difference is between biological and mechanical, one's natural, they other not so much. But don't get me wrong, both can be fun, but they are NOT the same.

 

[Plasmaball]

So gays are special, they can't be restricted to marriage to the opposite sex like every one else. Like I've always said, they have equal rights, they want special treatment because of their mental disorder.

get ready to lose...again....and then die off please.

 

[Plasmaball]

No in MOST states they can marry any consenting adult of the opposite sex, just like every one else. That is due process and equal treatment under the law. You want something else, give it a name and sell it to the state legislatures. You also might want to check out the difference between a simple mental disorder and true insanity.

Things are getting twisted here.

People are suggesting that homosexuality is a "mental disorder" which can therefore prevent gay from marrying in the same way an insane person can be prevented from marrying or having many other rights others have.

The second point is equal treatment under the law. The US Supreme Court said separation is not equal. Back in the day similar arguments were being used to keep black people down, now they're being used to keep gay people down.

It's about being able to choose who you want to marry. The US govt doesn't tell straight people who they can marry or not. They say they can choose whoever they like, black or white or yellow, old or young (over the age of consent of course).
Why do you think it's acceptable for the law to decide for people who they can choose to marry when the people are consenting?

This is the issue.

Are you free or are you at the whim of the government?

Most people will say liberty and freedom are the most important things and then turn around and say "for me, not for them".

Hypocrisy? Of course.

As for the difference between mental disorders and insanity, well hell, someone in my family suffers from bad mental disorders and SHE'S MARRIED.

Only thing twisted is you, having a mental disorder does not render a person incompetent but by the same token we don't rework our whole social order for a mentally disturbed minority.

The equal but separate bull shit doesn't apply here, why, because gays are not prohibited from getting married. Your argument that treating them the same as everyone else isn't good enough, somehow not true equality, that's bullshit.

thankfully SCOTUS says you are wrong.

 

[OKTexas]

So gays are special, they can't be restricted to marriage to the opposite sex like every one else. Like I've always said, they have equal rights, they want special treatment because of their mental disorder.

get ready to lose...again....and then die off please.

Whut evea! Loser!!!

 

[The Rabbi]

So gays are special, they can't be restricted to marriage to the opposite sex like every one else. Like I've always said, they have equal rights, they want special treatment because of their mental disorder.

get ready to lose...again....and then die off please.

You're a dick.
I can prove that.

 

[Plasmaball]

No one cares about their private lives. That's the part you dont get.
Your argument is laughable. The product of gross ignorance and laziness. Go get a clue.

So you don't care about their private life? So why not let them make the decision on which consenting adult they want to marry?

If his argument is laughable, why haven't you countered it? Instead just a brief post.

I wouldnt bother with Rabbi, He can only defend the right and is typically wrong on every issue on this board.

See he is wrong since people do care. Otherwise we wouldnt of had anti-sodomy laws or state constitutional bans on gay marriage.

Facts are hard for him, so go easy.

 

[Plasmaball]

So gays are special, they can't be restricted to marriage to the opposite sex like every one else. Like I've always said, they have equal rights, they want special treatment because of their mental disorder.

get ready to lose...again....and then die off please.

You're a dick.
I can prove that.

neat! You are stupid, i can prove that

 

[The Rabbi]

get ready to lose...again....and then die off please.

You're a dick.
I can prove that.

neat! You are stupid, i can prove that

Uh, no you can't. You've spent about a year here trying to do that and face planting every time.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Show me anywhere I said any place did, hint, I didn't. I said they require biologically compatible individuals, as in one man one woman. Now where did I get it wrong?

There are 17 states and the District of Columbia that don't require "biological compatibility" (per your definition) and is not required for Federal recognition. They recognize Civil Marriage irregardless of gender of the two consenting adults.

So your definition of "biological comparability" isn't required.


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The discussion is about the places where it is required, what is it about you lefties being incapable of keeping up?

1. And there are places where it's not required. If some places require the plumbing fixture A to go into receptacle B to have a Civil Marriage and some places don't require that plumbing, then the plumbing is not is a requirement for Civil Marriage. What part of that are you incapable of keeping up with?

2. I've been a registered Republican for 36 years.



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[Plasmaball]

You're a dick.
I can prove that.

neat! You are stupid, i can prove that

Uh, no you can't. You've spent about a year here trying to do that and face planting every time.

mmmhmm.....get ready then....it will be coming shortly.

 

[The Rabbi]

No one cares about their private lives. That's the part you dont get.
Your argument is laughable. The product of gross ignorance and laziness. Go get a clue.

So you don't care about their private life? So why not let them make the decision on which consenting adult they want to marry?

If his argument is laughable, why haven't you countered it? Instead just a brief post.

I wouldnt bother with Rabbi, He can only defend the right and is typically wrong on every issue on this board.

See he is wrong since people do care. Otherwise we wouldnt of had anti-sodomy laws or state constitutional bans on gay marriage.

Facts are hard for him, so go easy.

STFU.

No one is stopping gays from marrying. They do it every day.

 

[OKTexas]

Things are getting twisted here.

People are suggesting that homosexuality is a "mental disorder" which can therefore prevent gay from marrying in the same way an insane person can be prevented from marrying or having many other rights others have.

The second point is equal treatment under the law. The US Supreme Court said separation is not equal. Back in the day similar arguments were being used to keep black people down, now they're being used to keep gay people down.

It's about being able to choose who you want to marry. The US govt doesn't tell straight people who they can marry or not. They say they can choose whoever they like, black or white or yellow, old or young (over the age of consent of course).
Why do you think it's acceptable for the law to decide for people who they can choose to marry when the people are consenting?

This is the issue.

Are you free or are you at the whim of the government?

Most people will say liberty and freedom are the most important things and then turn around and say "for me, not for them".

Hypocrisy? Of course.

As for the difference between mental disorders and insanity, well hell, someone in my family suffers from bad mental disorders and SHE'S MARRIED.

Only thing twisted is you, having a mental disorder does not render a person incompetent but by the same token we don't rework our whole social order for a mentally disturbed minority.

The equal but separate bull shit doesn't apply here, why, because gays are not prohibited from getting married. Your argument that treating them the same as everyone else isn't good enough, somehow not true equality, that's bullshit.

thankfully SCOTUS says you are wrong.

Actually SCOTUS has left it to the States so far and I think it will stay that way.

 

[Plasmaball]

The equal but separate bull shit doesn't apply here, why, because gays are not prohibited from getting married. Your argument that treating them the same as everyone else isn't good enough, somehow not true equality, that's bullshit.

If you pass a law that defines legal marriage as being between one man and one woman, then gay and lesbian couples can't legally get married. That means that they are prohibited from getting married. That is not equality under the law. That is due only to Christians using public laws to enforce their small-minded, outdated religious dogma on secular society in violation of the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

Religion has nothing to do with it, it's called biology. And your saying they can't marry is bullshit, they have been getting married form the dawn of time, they just have been following the rules and marrying someone who is biologically compatible. That is equality.

no it isnt. the rules? the rules have changed numerous times of the centuries.
You cant even get this right.

 

[OKTexas]

There are 17 states and the District of Columbia that don't require "biological compatibility" (per your definition) and is not required for Federal recognition. They recognize Civil Marriage irregardless of gender of the two consenting adults.

So your definition of "biological comparability" isn't required.


>>>>

The discussion is about the places where it is required, what is it about you lefties being incapable of keeping up?

1. And there are places where it's not required. If some places require the plumbing fixture A to go into receptacle B to have a Civil Marriage and some places don't require that plumbing, then the plumbing is not is a requirement for Civil Marriage. What part of that are you incapable of keeping up with?

2. I've been a registered Republican for 36 years.



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Funny, so has John McCain, should that impress me?

 

[Plasmaball]

So you don't care about their private life? So why not let them make the decision on which consenting adult they want to marry?

If his argument is laughable, why haven't you countered it? Instead just a brief post.

I wouldnt bother with Rabbi, He can only defend the right and is typically wrong on every issue on this board.

See he is wrong since people do care. Otherwise we wouldnt of had anti-sodomy laws or state constitutional bans on gay marriage.

Facts are hard for him, so go easy.

STFU.

No one is stopping gays from marrying. They do it every day.

sure in the states that allow it. Dont worry, soon it will be federal and null and void any state ban.
The life will go on and nothing much will happen because of it. Outside of you crying