Liberal lies, deflections

[daws101]

Let's have some fun here.....

Let's list instances where Liberals lie or avoid the truth in their arguments and post them here, and bookmark the thread for future reference....

First up.... It's BUSH'S fault that we withdrew from Iraq.

First, bear in mind that the Status of Forces Agreement was ONLY signed after Obama was elected on his promise to withdraw troops, so the withdrawal was pretty much a done deal at that point... U.S. Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia the Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker signed the agreement in an official ceremony.[33] ). Our troops would have been withdrawn whether Bush signed the agreement or not.

It is also worth noting that the agreement allowed Obama to renegotiate the agreement during 2010, and some officials are now stating that OBAMA blundered in the way he handled the situation....



Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[69]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[70]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani’s compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[71]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting — in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament — was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[72]

Bush made the agreement. At the time we left, the agreement wanted us out, the Iraqi people wanted us out, the Iraqi parliament wanted us out, and the American people wanted us out.

Trying to blame Obama for anything about this is the RWnuts' lie of the year.

one of the lies of the decade in more accurate.

You mean that these social programs that we are implementing at this time will be temporary?

who's we? since you are against them you are not part of that we.
besides the appeal to a non existent authority is no help to your whining.!

 

[Kosh]

Let's have some fun here.....

Let's list instances where Liberals lie or avoid the truth in their arguments and post them here, and bookmark the thread for future reference....

First up.... It's BUSH'S fault that we withdrew from Iraq.

First, bear in mind that the Status of Forces Agreement was ONLY signed after Obama was elected on his promise to withdraw troops, so the withdrawal was pretty much a done deal at that point... U.S. Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia the Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker signed the agreement in an official ceremony.[33] ). Our troops would have been withdrawn whether Bush signed the agreement or not.

It is also worth noting that the agreement allowed Obama to renegotiate the agreement during 2010, and some officials are now stating that OBAMA blundered in the way he handled the situation....



Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[69]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[70]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani’s compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[71]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting — in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament — was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[72]

Bush made the agreement. At the time we left, the agreement wanted us out, the Iraqi people wanted us out, the Iraqi parliament wanted us out, and the American people wanted us out.

Trying to blame Obama for anything about this is the RWnuts' lie of the year.

one of the lies of the decade in more accurate.

You mean that these social programs that we are implementing at this time will be temporary?

who's we? since you are against them you are not part of that we.
besides the appeal to a non existent authority is no help to your whining.!

So you do not support FDR?

WOW! Now the far left is not supporting FDR and his social programs..

 

[daws101]

Let's have some fun here.....

Let's list instances where Liberals lie or avoid the truth in their arguments and post them here, and bookmark the thread for future reference....

First up.... It's BUSH'S fault that we withdrew from Iraq.

First, bear in mind that the Status of Forces Agreement was ONLY signed after Obama was elected on his promise to withdraw troops, so the withdrawal was pretty much a done deal at that point... U.S. Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia the Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker signed the agreement in an official ceremony.[33] ). Our troops would have been withdrawn whether Bush signed the agreement or not.

It is also worth noting that the agreement allowed Obama to renegotiate the agreement during 2010, and some officials are now stating that OBAMA blundered in the way he handled the situation....



Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[69]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[70]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani’s compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[71]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting — in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament — was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[72]

Bush made the agreement. At the time we left, the agreement wanted us out, the Iraqi people wanted us out, the Iraqi parliament wanted us out, and the American people wanted us out.

Trying to blame Obama for anything about this is the RWnuts' lie of the year.

one of the lies of the decade in more accurate.

You mean that these social programs that we are implementing at this time will be temporary?

who's we? since you are against them you are not part of that we.
besides the appeal to a non existent authority is no help to your whining.!

So you do not support FDR?

WOW! Now the far left is not supporting FDR and his social programs..

another lame attempt at irony and sarcasm.
fdr is dead

 

[Rexx Taylor]

Let's have some fun here.....

Let's list instances where Liberals lie or avoid the truth in their arguments and post them here, and bookmark the thread for future reference....

First up.... It's BUSH'S fault that we withdrew from Iraq.

First, bear in mind that the Status of Forces Agreement was ONLY signed after Obama was elected on his promise to withdraw troops, so the withdrawal was pretty much a done deal at that point... U.S. Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia the Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker signed the agreement in an official ceremony.[33] ). Our troops would have been withdrawn whether Bush signed the agreement or not.

It is also worth noting that the agreement allowed Obama to renegotiate the agreement during 2010, and some officials are now stating that OBAMA blundered in the way he handled the situation....



Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[69]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[70]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani’s compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[71]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting — in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament — was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[72]

well it was Bush's fault when that Giant Man Eating Rabbit almost ate Jimmy Carter.