bripat9643
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LOLYou claimed the Democrat Party didn't exist in 1860.
I didn't know there was an image here until I killed my AdBlock just now.
The Democrat (Douglas) is in blue. He won one state and half of New Jersey, which split its EV between Douglas and Lincoln. Douglas came in dead last in a field of four major candidates. You'll notice none of his EVs are in the South, the same number there (zero) as Lincoln --- who wasn't even on ballots in the South (the Republican Party didn't run a POTUS candidate in the South until 1868). The purple area is a candidate the Southerners ran after they kicked the Democratic Party convention out from Charleston. The D party had to move its convention north. The southerners never actually named the party or formally organized it -- they just put a candidate on the ballots.
The ochre color is the Constitutional Unionists, an outgrowth of the defunct Whig Party which disintegrated because it couldn't come to a consensus on slavery. Bell was a slaveowner himself who nevertheless opposed expansion of slavery and opposed secession. In fact of these four candidates three (Lincoln, Douglas and Bell) actively opposed the idea of secession. After Douglas lost he worked with Lincoln to prevent the secession going on speaking tours in the South and when that didn't work, advised the new President on how to combat the South.
So contrary to Fingerboy's Fantasies, the Democratic Party pulled a big fat zero in 1860 in the South. As I said it wasn't going to be in its dominant "Solid South" position until at least the 1870s.
Oh and here's another flaw in this map --- "West Virginia". It didn't exist in 1860. That area was part of Virginia until after the War started when it was split off, ostensibly not wishing to be part of secession. There might have been an "East Tennessee" created in the same way, as there was similar sentiment in this region. So where this map imagines a West Virginia sending its votes to Lincoln, it was actually the northwest section of Virginia, which voted for Bell. And New Jersey should be both red and blue. Sloppy work.
That West Virginia split to the Union and East Tennessee did not, is a reflection of how many Union troops were in West Virginia and how many Confederate troops were in East Tennessee, when each took their votes on it. And that in turn is demonstrative of how split the South was about secession and war. Significant chunks of the Southern population wanted no part of either. Just as there were significant chunks of what is now West Virginia who wanted to stay Virginia and Confederate. As usual the population is cowed by force --- voter intimidation was in NO WAY a new idea when the Klan and the Knights of the White Camellia and all those groups engaged in it.
Matter of fact here's a blatant example of voter intimidation from several years before the Civil War in a massive riot perpetuated by the political party that would most resemble the later Klan --- the Know Nothings.
You were dead wrong.
End of story.
He never said that, ya lyin’ piss bucket.
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"Democrats didn't exist in that time and place anyway."
Wrong again, dumbass.
