Liberty or Fascism

[bripat9643]

Vox, you're talking to the wrong person. I abhor abortion but I support the Libertarian platform of the liberty to choose and so if a pro-choice Libertarian candidate comes along on the basis of FREEDOM to choose without having the Government enforce morality, I support that candidate. So I'm not looking for a purist.. You need to look at the GOP STATISTS and find that ugly truth.

I know your views more or less. I do support them. But I am not 18 years old when the worldview of all or nothing is acceptable.

Libertarian candidate is unlelectable on a national level. Period. And if you want to keep leftist nazis in the WH - keep waiting for one.
That what caused us to loose 2012.

I know perfectly well that RINOs are not much better than crazy left.
But they are still somewhat better.
Therefore I am willing to vote for a lesser evil, because I want the big evil OUT.Your waiting for an acceptable candidate is casuing the evil left to stay in power - because the other side is going to vote for "their candidate" no matter how much they dislike him/her.

And because of that your position is always going to be a loozing one.

What you said was the truth and yet your thinking isn't logical. George Bush hasn't said one single word with Barack Obama in office, no matter how much he has been crucified and yet he speaks out finally and what's it over?? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, NO BORDERS.. Please please, look in to your heart and see the truth. Republicans are NOT conservatives.. there is nothing conservative about a national debt which exceeds GDP. There is nothing conservative about the IRS and their expanded power, nothing conservative about the unPATRIOT Act.. you think you're voting for a lesser evil when in fact you're voting for STATISTs.. Prove to me that any republican candidate is actually conservative and I will throw my support behind that candidate. Just show me one.

I agree that George Bush is no conservative. He was an utter disaster for the country, and the Republican Party is full of "conservatives" like him. However, I think voting for third party candidates is futile. They will never get elected. what we need to do is work at taking over the Republican Party just as the commies have taken over the Democrat Party.

 

[Oddball]

I agree that George Bush is no conservative. He was an utter disaster for the country, and the Republican Party is full of "conservatives" like him. However, I think voting for third party candidates is futile. They will never get elected. what we need to do is work at taking over the Republican Party just as the commies have taken over the Democrat Party.

With "conservatives" like the Bushies, Juan McLouse and Vinnie Vitalis Romney, who needs democratics?

 

[Vox]

I agree that George Bush is no conservative. He was an utter disaster for the country, and the Republican Party is full of "conservatives" like him. However, I think voting for third party candidates is futile. They will never get elected. what we need to do is work at taking over the Republican Party just as the commies have taken over the Democrat Party.

With "conservatives" like the Bushies, Juan McLouse and Vinnie Vitalis Romney, who needs democratics?

of course, nobody.

that's why we have obamoid government for the second 4 years. Enjoy

 

[The2ndAmendment]

We have a two party system ? You could fool me. Where is the voice of the GOP ?

The Establishment STATISTS speak for the GOP and their voice is loud and quite clear.

Correct, the puppetmaster is the same for both parties.

Dems and Rep's leadership flip a coin to see who is playing goodcop/badcop on each issue.

 

[Oddball]

I agree that George Bush is no conservative. He was an utter disaster for the country, and the Republican Party is full of "conservatives" like him. However, I think voting for third party candidates is futile. They will never get elected. what we need to do is work at taking over the Republican Party just as the commies have taken over the Democrat Party.

With "conservatives" like the Bushies, Juan McLouse and Vinnie Vitalis Romney, who needs democratics?

of course, nobody.

that's why we have obamoid government for the second 4 years. Enjoy

We have Obamoid gubmint because your party's socialistic standard bearers can't differentiate themselves form the socialists they claim to oppose.

That's not on me, Bubba.

 

[Vox]

With "conservatives" like the Bushies, Juan McLouse and Vinnie Vitalis Romney, who needs democratics?

of course, nobody.

that's why we have obamoid government for the second 4 years. Enjoy

We have Obamoid gubmint because your party's socialistic standard bearers can't differentiate themselves form the socialists they claim to oppose.

That's not on me, Bubba.

No, that is exactly on you, who either will choose "third party" unelectable guy/gal or ride the high horse - these elections are beyond me, I do not participate in this gubmint.

Yet you eat the shit you've delegated to someone else to choose for you nevertheless. Enjoy!

 

[bendog]

I'm picking Alabama again, but I'm rooting for the Aggies.

 

[Oddball]

of course, nobody.

that's why we have obamoid government for the second 4 years. Enjoy

We have Obamoid gubmint because your party's socialistic standard bearers can't differentiate themselves form the socialists they claim to oppose.

That's not on me, Bubba.

No, that is exactly on you, who either will choose "third party" unelectable guy/gal or ride the high horse - these elections are beyond me, I do not participate in this gubmint.

Yet you eat the shit you've delegated to someone else to choose for you nevertheless. Enjoy!

Your shitty product is not my fault.

If the best sales pitch it that you can come up with is that your product is less shitty than that of your shitty competitor, I'll not buy from either of you.

Besides that, blaming the customer is soooooo gauche.

 

[Vox]

We have Obamoid gubmint because your party's socialistic standard bearers can't differentiate themselves form the socialists they claim to oppose.

That's not on me, Bubba.

No, that is exactly on you, who either will choose "third party" unelectable guy/gal or ride the high horse - these elections are beyond me, I do not participate in this gubmint.

Yet you eat the shit you've delegated to someone else to choose for you nevertheless. Enjoy!

Your shitty product is not my fault.

If the best sales pitch it that you can come up with is that your product is less shitty than that of your shitty competitor, I'll not buy from either of you.

Besides that, blaming the customer is soooooo gauche.

You are NOT a customer. You are a participant in the party( not political), like it or not. You can check out anytime, but you can never leave
No matter your attitude you will eat shit full mouth together with others. And you do. Enjoying yet?

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one can withdraw their consent to be governed in a constitutional republic of We the People.

Thanks for you input, Uncle Joe.

Your welcome, Nephew Paulie.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one can withdraw their consent to be governed in a constitutional republic of We the People.

Thanks, Dick Tater.

If you don't want a constitutional republic, opt out and see how that goes.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

No one can withdraw their consent to be governed in a constitutional republic of We the People.

Thanks, Dick Tater.

If you don't want a constitutional republic, opt out and see how that goes.

Another one that does not know the difference between compliance and consent.

Shocking!

 

[Oddball]

No one can withdraw their consent to be governed in a constitutional republic of We the People.

Thanks, Dick Tater.

If you don't want a constitutional republic, opt out and see how that goes.

You're the one who wants a centrally planned dictatorial communist state, rather than the constitutional republic, Uncle Joe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thanks, Dick Tater.

If you don't want a constitutional republic, opt out and see how that goes.

You're the one who wants a centrally planned dictatorial communist state, rather than the constitutional republic, Uncle Joe.

Voting for Romney and mostly republicans is voting for "a centrally planned et al"? Who knew?

You guys can't even define "communist state" then apply it to the USA.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

"Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom.."

The problem is not the party system (in and of itself). The problem is "We The People" (as a whole), who continue to look to and expect a political party to represent them and govern the republic. Such is impossible.

The sole responsibility for the governance of this republic falls on the shoulders of "We The People," not the politicians.

Elections are about hiring individuals to represent us, not about hiring a political party. As such, the question posed by the OP is a poor one as constructed. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Republicans have taken George Zimmerman's gun and shot themselves squarely in their collective Texas cowboy boot.

Closing down those "slaughterhouses" will result in soaring levels of STDs and unwanted children specifically amongst the poor and minorities. These clinics provide STD testing and contraception, too.

So please, Ms "Gunslinger", do everything you can to help your stupid state secede because the rest of us don't want to get stuck with the bill for your sheer stupidity.

 

[Duped]

Freedom first - fuck the rest!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ok, Mel Gibson, let it rest.

 

[FA_Q2]

So what does this tell us about representative governance?

If approx. 1/3 of the population is making a decision for the entire country, is it safe to say that representative government, and the democratic process, is a failure?

I would say that is not entirely true. One of the central reasons that so few vote is because we have been so successful. Ever wonder why the voting in the third world hits amazing percentages? Because life there sucks and when things suck, people care enough to pay attention. Unfortunately, when things are good and people are fat and happy; they neglect their duties.

Unfortunately for us all, when you neglect your charge it often falls apart…

So in other words, you agree that representational govnernance and the democratic process is a failure.

I don't know that you can prove that so few vote because we're doing so well, but I'd beg to differ. Most of the folks I know that do not participate, do not because they understand that their voice means nothing in the process. If we can elect representatives with only a fraction of the citizenry voting and then call the one with the most votes the winner, the process is a failure.

It could go right down to 100K people that vote and because 60% of that 100k chose a "leader" or "representative", the state would declare a winner and keep moving without skipping a beat. That's what i mean by the process is a failure. I'd be willing to bet if there was even less of a turn out, a leader would still be chosen.

If they believe that they don’t have a voice then they are idiots. Sorry but there is simply no other way to state it because it is EXACTLY due to those people that I eat a shit sandwich every damn election. If those 2/3 (the LARGER voice) decided to vote, they could make massive changes in the government. The reality here is that even though YOUR friends don’t vote because they don’t think they have a voice (and I think that is a bullshit cop out BTW) most people are not voting because they cant be bothered to. That is simple fact.

When the going gets tough here, vote rates increase. As I pointed out, there are many other places that have far higher turnouts and they are usually shitty places to live. It is a catch 22, you need the majority of the population informed and voting to keep the government in check and things working well but when things start working well most people don’t bother to inform themselves or vote. It’s human nature.

 

[FA_Q2]

I know your views more or less. I do support them. But I am not 18 years old when the worldview of all or nothing is acceptable.

Libertarian candidate is unlelectable on a national level. Period. And if you want to keep leftist nazis in the WH - keep waiting for one.
That what caused us to loose 2012.

I know perfectly well that RINOs are not much better than crazy left.
But they are still somewhat better.
Therefore I am willing to vote for a lesser evil, because I want the big evil OUT.Your waiting for an acceptable candidate is casuing the evil left to stay in power - because the other side is going to vote for "their candidate" no matter how much they dislike him/her.

And because of that your position is always going to be a loozing one.

What you said was the truth and yet your thinking isn't logical. George Bush hasn't said one single word with Barack Obama in office, no matter how much he has been crucified and yet he speaks out finally and what's it over?? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, NO BORDERS.. Please please, look in to your heart and see the truth. Republicans are NOT conservatives.. there is nothing conservative about a national debt which exceeds GDP. There is nothing conservative about the IRS and their expanded power, nothing conservative about the unPATRIOT Act.. you think you're voting for a lesser evil when in fact you're voting for STATISTs.. Prove to me that any republican candidate is actually conservative and I will throw my support behind that candidate. Just show me one.

I agree that George Bush is no conservative. He was an utter disaster for the country, and the Republican Party is full of "conservatives" like him. However, I think voting for third party candidates is futile. They will never get elected. what we need to do is work at taking over the Republican Party just as the commies have taken over the Democrat Party.

As long as you vote for the commies though you will NEVER change the party; that is the point. It is not possible to change something when you keep doing the same damn thing. The reality is that the party will ALWAYS give us the same crap as long as we are willing to put that crap in office. Continually, we will not be represented because we the people have resoundingly told the powers that be that it is okay, we will cede them that power anyway.

The only way to change the party is to not vote for the trash that they give us until it improves. Trust me, take away the votes and they will listen. Give them the votes though and they don’t care.