Liberty or Fascism

[Wry Catcher]

We've seen how far the left will drive toward a Fascist society. Are republicans willing to hand them that power for another election cycle? Will there be anything left of America which resembles a Republic were they to happen? This poll is for those who truly support LIBERTY.


Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom..

Yes, if I knew for certain that the next leftist administration would enforce Marxist ideology/ Fascism which would result in the Constitution (Bill of Rights- the 1st 10 amendments for you leftist dummies who haven't a clue) being suspended, aborted.

No, I will continue to vote for the two party system.

I will continue to consider you ridiculous, though harmless and a source of humor. Are you aware that silly threads such as this one put your license to troll at risk?

 

[g5000]

Says the poster who sucks Obama's left nut every other post.. This same poster demanded without any evidence (The filmmaker of the supposed Benghazi attacks- ie the one Obama blamed) to KILL this man as per his remarks in numerous threads.. You have ZERO credibility on anything. LOL

Please post evidence of this claim. Good luck with that.

I see you are unable to provide any solutions and only know how to whine and make empty statements.

<wry grin> Certainly..

Here's one lib: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-2.html#post5982167

and another http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982447-post59.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982650-post94.html - This is our own Moderator arguing the Government had every right to out this man - even though we were right.. he didn't cause the Benghazi attacks.

Geauxtohell: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-8.html#post5982773

another from him^^ http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982922-post136.html
uscitizen http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-10.html#post5982959


Every Zombie Leftist in that thread PROVES why they're nothing more than Obama nut suckers. They all supported lynching this filmmaker without any evidence or outing him as the reason Americans died..

Here's Petey aka Bod:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983195-post187.html

Ahhhhhhhhhhh G5000 and his rant calling this Filmmaker every name in the book and UNJUSTLY accusing him:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983289-post208.html

And another from the leftist G5000
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983361-post216.html

Bodecea in on the lynching:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983363-post217.html

Here G5000 accuses the filmmaker of inciting the murder of Jews!
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983426-post231.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983499-post242.html -- Another from G5000 who puts the American deaths on the filmmaker.. Have we heard G5000, the IDIOT and LIAR apologize and now go after the REAL VILLIAN, THE ADMIN??? Why no..

Every word I said about the filmmaker trying to get Jews murdered by Muslim extremists is absolutely true. I am sorry you cannot grasp the facts of what he was attempting to do.

It is also a fact he is a convicted fraud, and lied to the people who backed the film and the actors. It is a fact he claimed he was backed by wealthy Israelis when that was a lie.

He did all this while protests were occuring in the Middle East over the film. He attempted to throw fuel on the fire to get more people killed.

This is all true. It is simply astonishing you continue to defend this despicable person. He is no better than the extremists he was goading.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Please post evidence of this claim. Good luck with that.

I see you are unable to provide any solutions and only know how to whine and make empty statements.

<wry grin> Certainly..

Here's one lib: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-2.html#post5982167

and another http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982447-post59.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982650-post94.html - This is our own Moderator arguing the Government had every right to out this man - even though we were right.. he didn't cause the Benghazi attacks.

Geauxtohell: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-8.html#post5982773

another from him^^ http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982922-post136.html
uscitizen http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-10.html#post5982959


Every Zombie Leftist in that thread PROVES why they're nothing more than Obama nut suckers. They all supported lynching this filmmaker without any evidence or outing him as the reason Americans died..

Here's Petey aka Bod:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983195-post187.html

Ahhhhhhhhhhh G5000 and his rant calling this Filmmaker every name in the book and UNJUSTLY accusing him:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983289-post208.html

And another from the leftist G5000
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983361-post216.html

Bodecea in on the lynching:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983363-post217.html

Here G5000 accuses the filmmaker of inciting the murder of Jews!
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983426-post231.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983499-post242.html -- Another from G5000 who puts the American deaths on the filmmaker.. Have we heard G5000, the IDIOT and LIAR apologize and now go after the REAL VILLIAN, THE ADMIN??? Why no..

Every word I said about the filmmaker trying to get Jews murdered by Muslim extremists is absolutely true. I am sorry you cannot grasp the facts of what he was attempting to do.

It is also a fact he is a convicted fraud, and lied to the people who backed the film and the actors. It is a fact he claimed he was backed by wealthy Israelis when that was a lie.

He did all this while protests were occuring in the Middle East over the film. He attempted to throw fuel on the fire to get more people killed.

This is all true. Sorry your ass is still in flames over this despicable person.

LMFAO!! Too bad your own words came back to slap you in the face! ;-) You're welcome!

 

[g5000]

Just because you don't like the solutions proposed doesn't mean there aren't any.

Nobody can make you understand the the FDA drives the costs of medications and devices through the roof, keeps "orphan drugs" that could help people on the lab shelf, all while acting as a defacto protection racket for BigPharm...That's a conclusion you have to realize for yourself.

Nobody can force you to recognize that the evisceration of the 4th Amendment, asset forfeiture laws that put the burden on the suspect to prove innocence, gangs funded from the drug trade, innocent children caught in the crossfire of gang warfare, and the like are at least as bad, if not worse than, the damage the drugs could do themselves to the fabric of the nation....That's something that you have to come to recognize yourself.

Nobody can compel you to draw the conclusion that trying to polish turds just isn't working....That's up to you.

Make the argument. That's all I ask. I would much prefer this board be filled with people offering various solutions, and explaining why those solutions are the best way to go. Wouldn't you?

Even if I think you are smoking some of the drugs you want legalized, this would be a far superior forum for it.

Umpteen Zimmerman topics, a gazillion topics about Presidential hotel bills on foreign policy trips, topics about how many golf games Obama plays, and God knows how many topics by Constitution lovers which demonstrate they don't know the first thing about the Constitution or how government works.

So, please. Start topics explaining why the FDA should be eliminated and all drugs legalized.

Start topics explaining why our defense department should be shrunk down to the size of a cub scout troop.

Make the Libertarian case. Who knows, you might get some converts who actually understand to what it is they are signing on.

No one has to answer or justify anything to you IDIOT.

It can only be surmised you haven't a clue what Libertarianism is.

You actually expect people to vote for Libertarians just because? Without any explanation of what they stand for? BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

Airhead. This is what I expect of someone who loves a heinous individual like the filmmaker just because the filmmaker hates Muslims.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Please post evidence of this claim. Good luck with that.

I see you are unable to provide any solutions and only know how to whine and make empty statements.

<wry grin> Certainly..

Here's one lib: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-2.html#post5982167

and another http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982447-post59.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982650-post94.html - This is our own Moderator arguing the Government had every right to out this man - even though we were right.. he didn't cause the Benghazi attacks.

Geauxtohell: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-8.html#post5982773

another from him^^ http://www.usmessageboard.com/5982922-post136.html
uscitizen http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/246755-shameful-the-fed-outs-filmmaker-10.html#post5982959


Every Zombie Leftist in that thread PROVES why they're nothing more than Obama nut suckers. They all supported lynching this filmmaker without any evidence or outing him as the reason Americans died..

Here's Petey aka Bod:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983195-post187.html

Ahhhhhhhhhhh G5000 and his rant calling this Filmmaker every name in the book and UNJUSTLY accusing him:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983289-post208.html

And another from the leftist G5000
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983361-post216.html

Bodecea in on the lynching:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983363-post217.html

Here G5000 accuses the filmmaker of inciting the murder of Jews!
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983426-post231.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5983499-post242.html -- Another from G5000 who puts the American deaths on the filmmaker.. Have we heard G5000, the IDIOT and LIAR apologize and now go after the REAL VILLIAN, THE ADMIN??? Why no..

Every word I said about the filmmaker trying to get Jews murdered by Muslim extremists is absolutely true. I am sorry you cannot grasp the facts of what he was attempting to do.

It is also a fact he is a convicted fraud, and lied to the people who backed the film and the actors. It is a fact he claimed he was backed by wealthy Israelis when that was a lie.

He did all this while protests were occuring in the Middle East over the film. He attempted to throw fuel on the fire to get more people killed.

This is all true. It is simply astonishing you continue to defend this despicable person. He is no better than the extremists he was goading.

Yes, a man that makes a film has striking and unequivocal power over the actions of others. He can make them view the movie and then murder! it's fucking amazing!

 

[bripat9643]

I asked a simple question. If you saw in to the future that the next LEFTIST government will result in martial law and the end of this Republic as we know it, would you vote for the Liberty candidate? It's not difficult. It's a hypothetical.. but eerily represents where we're headed.

Voting third party means the Democrats will win. Your goal is at odds with the means you are proposing to achieve it.

 

[g5000]

Yes, a man that makes a film has striking and unequivocal power over the actions of others. He can make them view the movie and then murder! it's fucking amazing!

The point went right over your head.

We saw how Muslims were incited by the film. And it was at that moment the filmmaker chose to come out of hiding and lie about who backed his film.

Now why do you think he chose, at the height of the protests in the Middle East, to lie and say he had been financed by rich Israelis? Hmmmmm...that's a tough one.


He was clearly trying to further incite the mad mob. Regardless of whether or not he succeeded in this attempt, he was trying to get them to target another group he hates. Jews.

What a lovely guy, eh? Doing his best to get some kikes killed by some ragheads.

What a great Christian to chose as someone to admire or to be an apologist for.

As I said, he is as despicable as the mob he was inciting.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

So what does this tell us about representative governance?

If approx. 1/3 of the population is making a decision for the entire country, is it safe to say that representative government, and the democratic process, is a failure?

What it tells me is that there is no consent of the governed.

Think about that one.

There never is.

To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. (P.-J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, trans. John Beverley Robinson. London: Freedom Press, 1923, p. 294)

 

[bripat9643]

Americans are too stupid to do anything but vote blue donkey or red elephant. There will be no fixing what has been done. It will escalate until it breaks. The time for changing minds about the attachment to the establishment has come and gone.

The only thing left to do is try to prepare yourself for whatever comes next.

Do you know why it is called revolution?

When liberty disappears from this country, it will be gone from this world for at least 1000 years, if history is any guide.

 

[bripat9643]

The liberty candidates would be coopted by far right reactionaries: don't want that.

You're about as far left kook as they come so opt out of this thread and do us all a favor by shutting your pie hole. I said LIBERTY LOVING AMERICANS which doesn't include you Fakey.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes, a man that makes a film has striking and unequivocal power over the actions of others. He can make them view the movie and then murder! it's fucking amazing!

The point went right over your head.

We saw how Muslims were incited by the film. And it was at that moment the filmmaker chose to come out of hiding and lie about who backed his film.

Now why do you think he chose, at the height of the protests, to lie and say he had been financed by rich Israelis? Hmmmmm...that's a tough one.


He was clearly trying to further incite the mad mob. Regardless of whether or not he succeeded in this attempt, he was trying to get them to target another group he hates. Jews.

What a lovely guy, eh? Doing his best to get some kikes killed by some ragheads.

What a great Christian to chose as someone to admire or to be an apologist for.

As I said, he is as despicable as the mob he was inciting.

I really dont give a rats ass about his film, or who backed him, or who didn't or even what he said. he's not responsible for the actions of others oveer a stupid fucking film. More so, the Benghazi incident had nothing to do with that film.

 

[Oddball]

What it tells me is that there is no consent of the governed.

Think about that one.

There never is.

To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. (P.-J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, trans. John Beverley Robinson. London: Freedom Press, 1923, p. 294)

Well, I was thinking of "consent of the governed" as it was used in the DoI.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

There never is.

To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality. (P.-J. Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century, trans. John Beverley Robinson. London: Freedom Press, 1923, p. 294)

Well, I was thinking of "consent of the governed" as it was used in the DoI.

I know. I was simply adding context to my own statement.

 

[bripat9643]

Lady, we will continue to have left nazis in power if people like you will continue to deny the reality and wait for a crystal pure libertarian candidate to finally vote for him/her.
It is not going to happen.

Either you and others like you, purists, will understnd, that like everywhere else in life, you must compromise and very often agree to a lesser evil, or we will have a total marxist overhaul of the country in the nex 10 years.

The choice is with the purists.

Straw man argument....Nobody said anything about pure or perfect candidates.

Fact is that all the republican "half-a-loaf" candidates don't govern any better than the socialistic democrats they claim to oppose.

You want to vote for evil, that's your problem.

The place to stick to your principles is during the primary process. Make sure libertarians get nominated. The general election is no place to be a purist.

 

[Pogo]

We've seen how far the left will drive toward a Fascist society. Are republicans willing to hand them that power for another election cycle? Will there be anything left of America which resembles a Republic were they to happen? This poll is for those who truly support LIBERTY.


Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom..

Yes, if I knew for certain that the next leftist administration would enforce Marxist ideology/ Fascism which would result in the Constitution (Bill of Rights- the 1st 10 amendments for you leftist dummies who haven't a clue) being suspended, aborted.

No, I will continue to vote for the two party system.

I would vote for anything that would educate facile internet wags on the differences between Marxism and Fascism.

Perhaps it could be worked into a discussion of the differences between apples and kumquats or between fish and bicycles. Or the difference between Glenn Beck and rational people.

"As for a third party, we tried that in 1972. The People's Party. Unfortunately we hadn't realized that to have a third party you must (first) have two other parties." -- Gore Vidal, The United States of Amnesia

 

[g5000]

What it tells me is that there is no consent of the governed.

Think about that one.

If you don't vote, you are consenting to what everyone else decides for you.

No, you are withdrawing your consent to be governed. This is not a minority, or majority rules. You can not consent to something tacitly. Except perhaps slavery, robbery or violence.

You most certainly consent by your silence or inaction. Most certainly do. A great many things.

 

[auditor0007]

The liberty candidates would be coopted by far right reactionaries: don't want that.

You're about as far left kook as they come so opt out of this thread and do us all a favor by shutting your pie hole. I said LIBERTY LOVING AMERICANS which doesn't include you Fakey.

You said RIGHT WING FANATICAL NUT JOBS. There, I fixed it for you.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

If you don't vote, you are consenting to what everyone else decides for you.

No, you are withdrawing your consent to be governed. This is not a minority, or majority rules. You can not consent to something tacitly. Except perhaps slavery, robbery or violence.

You most certainly consent by your silence or inaction. Most certainly do. A great many things.

Yes, to being enslaved, robbed or to violence. You do not consent to be governed by dropping out of the process knowing that you have no voice in it. And, I'm not in the habit of taking your word for what I consent to. Or any other wanna-be dictator for that matter.

 

[g5000]

I guess what we are supposed to take away from all this is that we are not LIBERTY LOVING AMERICANS if we don't vote Libertarian.

And we are supposed to vote Libertarian because liberty.

That's...deep.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

We've seen how far the left will drive toward a Fascist society. Are republicans willing to hand them that power for another election cycle? Will there be anything left of America which resembles a Republic were they to happen? This poll is for those who truly support LIBERTY.


Would you break with the establishment and vote 3rd party for freedom if you KNEW voting the same two party system would be the end of the Republic as we know it? ie freedom..

Yes, if I knew for certain that the next leftist administration would enforce Marxist ideology/ Fascism which would result in the Constitution (Bill of Rights- the 1st 10 amendments for you leftist dummies who haven't a clue) being suspended, aborted.

No, I will continue to vote for the two party system.

I would vote for anything that would educate facile internet wags on the differences between Marxism and Fascism.

Perhaps it could be worked into a discussion of the differences between apples and kumquats or between fish and bicycles. Or the difference between Glenn Beck and rational people.

"As for a third party, we tried that in 1972. The People's Party. Unfortunately we hadn't realized that to have a third party you must (first) have two other parties." -- Gore Vidal, The United States of Amnesia

Once more I never stated the two are one in the same.. secondly, I think Glen Beck is a loon..I love how some of you want to try and dice up the argument in order to avoid standing on the side of liberty or tyranny.. so for arguments sake, let's say everything you just stated is correct.. Which side do you stand on? Hmm?