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LilOlLady's Everlasting Gobstopper Illegal Immigration Thread

Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers

FAIR Releases First-of-its-Kind Comprehensive Study of Federal, State and Local Costs of Illegal Immigration


(Washington, D.C July 6, 2010) A new study released today by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimates that illegal immigration now costs federal and local taxpayers $113 billion a year. The report, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, is the most comprehensive analysis of how much the estimated 13 million illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children cost federal, state and local governments.

The cost estimates are based on an extensive analysis of federal, state and local spending data. The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers examines dozens of government programs that are available to illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children, both legally and fraudulently. The report provides detailed analysis of the impact of illegal immigration on education, health care, law enforcement and justice, public assistance, and other government programs.

The report also accounts for taxes paid by illegal aliens about $13 billion a year, resulting in a net cost to taxpayers of about $100 billion. However, the study notes that government at all levels would likely have realized significantly greater revenues if jobs held by illegal aliens had been filled by legal U.S. residents instead.

Federal spending on illegal aliens amounts to $29 billion, finds Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers. The lion’s share of the costs of illegal immigration is borne by state and local taxpayers an estimated $84.2 billion. In 18 states, expenditures on illegal aliens exceeded the size of those states’ budget deficits in FY 2009.

Among the key findings of The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers:
The $113 billion in outlays for services and benefits to illegal aliens and their families represents an average cost to native-headed households of $1,117 a year. Because the burdens of illegal immigration are not evenly distributed, the costs are much higher in states with large illegal alien populations.
Education for the children of illegal aliens represents the single largest public expenditure at an annual cost of $52 billion. Nearly all of that cost is absorbed by state and local governments.
The federal government recoups about one-third of its share of the costs of illegal immigration in the form of taxes collected. States, which bear a much greater share of the costs, recoup a mere 5 percent of their expenditures from taxes paid by illegal aliens.
Granting amnesty to illegal aliens, as President Obama and others propose, would not significantly increase tax revenues generated by current illegal aliens. However, over time, amnesty would dramatically increase public costs as newly-legalized aliens become eligible for all means-tested government programs.

Arizona’s annual cost of illegal immigration is $2.5 billion.
“The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers provides a definitive response to the question of whether illegal aliens are a net benefit or a net drain on government coffers,” stated Dan Stein president of FAIR. “The report examines virtually every federal, state and local government program to determine the impact of illegal immigration on the bottom line. That bottom line $113 billion a year, and growing makes our nation’s failure to control illegal immigration one of the largest preventable burdens borne by American taxpayers.”

“If political leaders in Washington and state capitals want to understand why the American public is demanding enforcement of our immigration laws, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, provides 113 billion good reasons,” Stein concluded.

Read the report.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_ ... 7/23/liddy


Deporting illegal aliens alone would balance the budget and leave a sizable surplus.
 
Anchor Babies are not U.S. citizens they are citizens of Mexico according to the Mexican Constitution
January 2011
Frosty Wooldridge


"That is where this story should begin and that is where it should end! The Mexican Constitution, Chapter II, Article 30, paragraph II, states that you are a Mexican by birth if born on foreign territory, sons or daughters of Mexican parents born in national territory. There you have it! Anchor Babies are not U.S. citizens! They are citizens of Mexican according to the Mexican Constitution.

"April 4, 1997, President Sedillo of Mexico stated that "We will not tolerate foreign forces dictating and enacting laws on Mexicans. Our contention is that we are not enacting or dictating any laws on the Mexican illegal alien children born by illegal alien females in the US territory. Further, he states that "he was going to use all diplomatic and legal forces at his disposal to….protect Mexicans living in the Uniited States."
Anchor Babies are not U.S. citizens they are citizens of Mexico according to the Mexican Constitution | Frosty Wooldridge
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The Concept of Racial Profiling
Rick Garlikov

There is ample evidence that racial profiling (also sometimes called "racially biased policing"), as it is described in the ensuing ACLU passages, exists. And it is clearly an evil practice. However, race, ethnicity, and gender are also characteristics that are merely descriptive in nature, and since police depend on descriptions to apprehend criminals or those planning crimes, the question arises whether and when race, ethnicity, or gender alone might be appropriate and justified characteristics on which police ought to act. This paper is intended to analyze what unjustified racial profiling or racially biased policing is, and in particular how it might be distinguished from any possible justifiable practice of having sufficient description of a suspect, based on race, ethnicity, or gender alone, in order to implement proper police procedures (e.g., suspicion, surveillance, approach, questioning, etc.)

The Concept of Racial Profiling

If a tall thin black man on a bike grabs your purse, wouldn't profiling the race of this man help to apprehend him? Looking for a black man would help to describe him.
If big fat white man grabs your purse, it would help in apprehending him to describe him as being white.

About 90% of ilegal aliens are Hispanic and being Hispanic who cannot speak English and no identification is reasonable suspicion to arrest and detain and turn over to ICE of further investigation. If you are Hispanic and have drivers license and identification and a green card you should not be afraid of being racial profiled.

My father who was native american were always mistaken as Hispanic and had to show his identification and it took all of one minute and he was on his way. Happen in the 50s when we were on the bus and ICE raided to bus. He had nothing to hide and had no problem showing his identification that proved his citizenship. He did not have to carry a briefcase of documents.

After 9-11 I went into SS office and was asked to empty my purse, I did an had to take a boyscout knife back to my car. Pissed me off because the guard did not ask white looking people to emply their purse. I understand it and was pissed but ok. I was not hurt.


Racial is never the sole reason for making arrest of illegal aliens, There has to be other reasons also. Notice how the ACLU describe racial profiling in arresting illegals;
Notice the ACLU says that: "Racial profiling" occurs when the police target someone for investigation on the basis of that person's race, national origin, or ethnicity. And the PERF policy is very similar when it says: Race/ethnicity can never be used as the sole basis for probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
 
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Immigration law doesn't mean just what you want it to mean



He points to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling from 1975 known as United States v. Brignoni-Ponce. In it, justices decided that "Mexican appearance" was a "relevant factor" during immigration stops.


In their essay for the Post, Chin and Johnson wrote, "Supporters and opponents of SB 1070 assume that racial profiling is unconstitutional, largely because many Americans believe that it ought to be. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has approved the racial profiling permitted - indeed encouraged - by SB 1070."

Read more;
Immigration law doesn't mean just what you want it to mean
 
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United States v. Brignoni-Ponce

United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873 (1975), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which held that the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution does allow a roving patrol of the United States Border Patrol to stop a vehicle near the United States–Mexico border and question its occupants about their citizenship and immigration status, when suspicion that the occupants appear to be of Mexican ancestry, combined with other articulable facts. Except at the border and its functional equivalents, patrolling officers may stop vehicles only if they are aware of specific articulable facts, together with rational inferences therefrom, reasonably warranting suspicion that the vehicles contain aliens who may be illegally in the country.

United States v. Brignoni-Ponce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


SB1070 should stand.
 
If border patrols don't have access to public land on the border, they cannot patrol the bordre and cannot secure the border.


GOP: Border Patrol Should Control Federal Lands
By Matthew Daly, Associated Press, 04-14-10
WASHINGTON – A group of House Republicans say Border Patrol agents should be granted direct control over U.S. borders, even on federal lands managed by other agencies.

Lawmakers introduced a bill Wednesday to transfer operational control of lands along the federal border to the Department of Homeland Security, instead of the Interior Department or Forest Service. The land agencies would still manage national parks, forests and other public lands, but would not have authority to block Border Patrol agents from acting as they see fit to secure border areas.

GOP: Border Patrol Should Control Federal Lands | Flathead Beacon
 
Testimony of Deputy Chief Ronald Vitiello, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, before the U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources, Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests, and Public Lands, and the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Subcommittee on National Security, Homeland Defense, and Foreign Operations, "Border: Are Environmental Laws and Regulations Impeding Security and Harming the Environment?"
Release Date: April 15, 2011






DHS: Testimony of Deputy Chief Ronald Vitiello, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, before the U.S. House Committee on Natural Resources, Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests, and Public Lands, and the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Governm
 
SMITH: Give immigration enforcement a try
April 13, 2011

When laws are administered, jobs open for unemployed Americans.


Critics of immigration enforcement often claim our immigration system is broken and that enforcement of immigration laws will not solve this problem. But this argument is flawed because we have never tried to fully enforce our immigration laws. Critics embrace the legalization of millions of illegal immigrants, a so-called solution that has been tried in the past and failed.
SMITH: Give immigration enforcement a try - Washington Times
 
Ray Stevens - Come to the USA

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ARIZ BOYCOTTS HURT HISPANICS


Arizona boycotts will hurt Hispanics who make up the large part of the hospitality industry. A no win situation for all. But Arizona will recover and SB107 is not going away.

Arizona illegal aliens who are protesting will protest them selves out of jobs and out of the state saving Arizona billions in education, healthcare, law enforcement and welfare.

If illegal aliens are force to leave, either by SB1070 or boycotts, they will go to other state and they will have to provide jobs, healthcare, education, law enforcement and welfare. Costing those states.

If SB1070 is unconstitutional so is the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act that gives Arizona state and local officers the right to do exactly what SB1070 allows them to do. Federal Immigration and Nationality Act goes even farther to allow racial profiling. “Hispanic appearance” coupled with “reasonable suspicion.” I guess that does not make a difference since ICE do not process those illegal aliens Arizona turn over the them. They are released if there is no criminal act other than illegal entry.

Flat out BS spin. What part of ILLEGAL in "illegal immigrant" don't you get? They criminals by their very existence on our soil, and they are stealing from US.

Get a clue.
 
ARIZ BOYCOTTS HURT HISPANICS


Arizona boycotts will hurt Hispanics who make up the large part of the hospitality industry. A no win situation for all. But Arizona will recover and SB107 is not going away.

Arizona illegal aliens who are protesting will protest them selves out of jobs and out of the state saving Arizona billions in education, healthcare, law enforcement and welfare.

If illegal aliens are force to leave, either by SB1070 or boycotts, they will go to other state and they will have to provide jobs, healthcare, education, law enforcement and welfare. Costing those states.

If SB1070 is unconstitutional so is the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act that gives Arizona state and local officers the right to do exactly what SB1070 allows them to do. Federal Immigration and Nationality Act goes even farther to allow racial profiling. “Hispanic appearance” coupled with “reasonable suspicion.” I guess that does not make a difference since ICE do not process those illegal aliens Arizona turn over the them. They are released if there is no criminal act other than illegal entry.

Flat out BS spin. What part of ILLEGAL in "illegal immigrant" don't you get? They criminals by their very existence on our soil, and they are stealing from US.

Get a clue.

At least read the post before you reply.:cuckoo:
 
With current birthrate america needs more people from foreign countries

You do understand that most of the world has to live on less than 2 dollars a day. Why should we force more people into poverty?


So to solve the birth rate here we need to import more poverty? We are running out of natural resources like water and our farmlands are being poluted and cannot produce. how do you suggest we take care of more especially poor people?
We cannot feed the world. Those countries need to take responsiblity for their own. :confused:
Mexico in particular has the resources to take care of it's people and the people need to rise up and fight instead of tucking tails and running away. cowards.:eusa_hand:
 
With current birthrate america needs more people from foreign countries

Why the hell do we need more people when we cannot provide for those we have? Homelessness and hunger do you not understand. Have you been to a food bann distribution center, welfare office and seen the homeless on the streets. Like tent city here is reno?
Do you know the problems that come with over population? WE have 14 million unemployed, 40 without healthcare.:eusa_hand: And we need more people?
 
ARIZ BOYCOTTS HURT HISPANICS


Arizona boycotts will hurt Hispanics who make up the large part of the hospitality industry. A no win situation for all. But Arizona will recover and SB107 is not going away.

Arizona illegal aliens who are protesting will protest them selves out of jobs and out of the state saving Arizona billions in education, healthcare, law enforcement and welfare.

If illegal aliens are force to leave, either by SB1070 or boycotts, they will go to other state and they will have to provide jobs, healthcare, education, law enforcement and welfare. Costing those states.

If SB1070 is unconstitutional so is the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act that gives Arizona state and local officers the right to do exactly what SB1070 allows them to do. Federal Immigration and Nationality Act goes even farther to allow racial profiling. “Hispanic appearance” coupled with “reasonable suspicion.” I guess that does not make a difference since ICE do not process those illegal aliens Arizona turn over the them. They are released if there is no criminal act other than illegal entry.

Flat out BS spin. What part of ILLEGAL in "illegal immigrant" don't you get? They criminals by their very existence on our soil, and they are stealing from US.

Get a clue.

You do realize that when Sheriff Joe make sweeps of workplaces like resturants, etc that americans line up for those jobs that are left vacant. Dish washer, etc?
 
MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPUTIES RAID EAST VALLEY BUSINESS; 6 SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ALIENS ARRESTED FOR USING FALSE IDENTIFICATION

04/14/2011
“Crackdown continues regardless of SB1070 ruling,” Arpaio says.

MARICOPA COUNTY, AZ - Maricopa County Sheriff’s deputies served search warrants and raided the Monte Carlo Cleaners, a dry cleaning business located in Mesa at 425 N. Stapley Drive. Six suspected illegal aliens arrested on site for using false identification. Investigators are heading to an additional 5 residence for suspects who failed to show for work this morning, bringing the total of potential arrest to 11.



MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF

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Who said we cannot enforce our immigration laws and solve the illegal immigration problem unless with Immigration Reform?
I wonder how we can get clones of Sheriff Joe.:
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Rancher On Border Testifies Before Congress – The Real Shocking Story
Thanks to Tucson Citizen.com for this posting.

Testimony of James K. Chilton Jr. With regard to The National Security and Federal Lands Protection Act
Submitted to the United States House of Representatives – a joint hearing of the Natural Resources Committee and the Oversight and Government Reform Committee

April 15, 2011

In addition, the Border Patrol must have the ability to immediately construct helicopter landing pads on mountain tops and any other locations so that Mexican cartel scouts occupying mountain tops inside the United States can be easily and quickly rooted out. Waiting for months or years for NEPA analysis, Endangered Species Act concerns and slow federal land management decisions is not compatible with the Border Patrol mission to CONTROL THE BORDER AT THE BORDER.


Rancher On Border Testifies Before Congress – The Real Shocking Story « Republic-MainStreet
 
Obama to hold immigration-reform meeting
April 19, 2011

WASHINGTON, April 19 (UPI) -- U.S. President Barack Obama will lose a Democratic congressman's re-election support if he doesn't do more to reform immigration laws, the lawmaker said.

"I want to support Barack Obama for re-election," Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., told MSNBC Monday. "But the lack of progress on immigration reform and the lack of action that Barack Obama, our president, has -- the discretion he has -- is really making that job difficult for me."

Obama to hold immigration-reform meeting - UPI.com

It time we let our reps and Obama know how we fell about amnesty and enforcement.

We know anyform of amnesty do not fix our immigration problem,, so let try enforcement.
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I guess he is running in 2012.
I just heard a lady bitch on Situation Room say we need more illegal aliens to fill the jobs employers cannot fill?
WTF are 14 million unemployed Americans? Non existence?
 
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Anything in the form of another amnesty will destroy any hope of ever fixing illegal immigration and secure teh border.. 20 years after the 1986 amnesty we have 20 million more illegal aliens. Not acceptable.

For one in the life of a president, plesase do the right thing for America and Americans. Your job may depend on amnesty but the lives of American depend on enforcement and border security.

20 million illegal aliens are no hard working peole who only want to take care of their children. 20 million illegal aliens are not pick ing lettuce. Only 2% are in the fields. Where are the other 8%. 7.5. million in the work force, where are the other 13.5 million? How can 7.5 million send $17 billion a year back to mexico?
For once in American history do the right thing and the right thing will be done in return.


Amnesty, n. The state's magnanimity to those offenders whom it would be too expensive to punish.
Ambrose Bierce
 

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