Little recognized brilliance of Mueller’s strategy….

[JakeStarkey]

Trump acolytes did not shy away from mocking Mueller’s indictment of 13 Russians and 3 Russian entities a few weeks ago (with more of these indictments to surely follow.)
The mockery boiled down to “concluding’ the wasted effort of indicting any foreign individual who would never personally show up at trial.

Well, as usual, these Trump cult members are both wrong and ignorant of legal strategies.

Recently I attended a state-sponsored seminar of prosecutors where this issue (among many others) was addressed, and the consensus was actually praise of Mueller’s approach, for TWO important reasons:

First, having grand juries issue indictments for possible trials in absentia is a sound approach in ensuring that a controversial issue does NOT disappear solely because those indicted are not present. Guilt or innocence based on the indictments would STILL be adjudicated with evidence and subpoenaed witnesses.

Second, even if Trump were to pardon any and all of his corrupt cronies, these people would NOT be exempted from having to testify AND no longer able to plead the 5th from self-incrimination.

Finally, we must always bear in mind that some of these possible trials may be held in state venues and not federal courts.

Bottom line: Mueller IS one of the smartest prosecutors of our generation.

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LOL this is just too funny.
You do realize that posing as an attorney is a very serious offense don't you.

Only in the minds of those who do not understand, but, hey, go for it.

 

[Valerie]

"posing as an attorney is a very serious offense"



someone ought to alert cohen and rudy

 

[Richard-H]

Mueller's so-called probe is a laughingstock. Over a long time, it has produced nothing, and is a complete flop. Mueller and his gang are just leaching off the taxpayers$$$, and Mueller himself is a rogue person, connected to seditious Muslim Brotherhood front groups for years.

This clown ought to be in a federal prison, rather than conducting an investigation.

Freedom of speech and expression is a wonderful thing. Please stop abusing it!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Trump acolytes did not shy away from mocking Mueller’s indictment of 13 Russians and 3 Russian entities a few weeks ago (with more of these indictments to surely follow.)
The mockery boiled down to “concluding’ the wasted effort of indicting any foreign individual who would never personally show up at trial.

Well, as usual, these Trump cult members are both wrong and ignorant of legal strategies.

Recently I attended a state-sponsored seminar of prosecutors where this issue (among many others) was addressed, and the consensus was actually praise of Mueller’s approach, for TWO important reasons:

First, having grand juries issue indictments for possible trials in absentia is a sound approach in ensuring that a controversial issue does NOT disappear solely because those indicted are not present. Guilt or innocence based on the indictments would STILL be adjudicated with evidence and subpoenaed witnesses.

Second, even if Trump were to pardon any and all of his corrupt cronies, these people would NOT be exempted from having to testify AND no longer able to plead the 5th from self-incrimination.

Finally, we must always bear in mind that some of these possible trials may be held in state venues and not federal courts.

Bottom line: Mueller IS one of the smartest prosecutors of our generation.

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I have to hand it to Mueller.

If he were a doctor, he would be the guy who managed to prolong the life of a stage-4 brain cancer patient who was sawed in half just below the ribs by 6 months.

He is the Leonardo Da Vinci of bullshit artistry.

Did they discuss how the model rules of professional conduct (particularly that of a prosecutor) and the DOJ Ethics Handbook Rules as they relate Mueller'and his team (and the actions of the Obama DOJ leading up to the investigation)?

Model Rule of Professional Conduct



Rule 3.1 Meritorious Claims And Contentions
A lawyer shall not bring or defend a proceeding, or assert or controvert an issue therein, unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous, which includes a good faith argument for an extension, modification or reversal of existing law. A lawyer for the defendant in a criminal proceeding, or the respondent in a proceeding that could result in incarceration, may nevertheless so defend the proceeding as to require that every element of the case be established.

Rule 3.2 Expediting Litigation
A lawyer shall make reasonable efforts to expedite litigation consistent with the interests of the client.

Rule 3.3 Candor Toward The Tribunal
(a) A lawyer shall not knowingly:

(1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer;


Rule 3.4 Fairness To Opposing Party And Counsel
A lawyer shall not:

(a) unlawfully obstruct another party' s access to evidence or unlawfully alter, destroy or conceal a document or other material having potential evidentiary value. A lawyer shall not counsel or assist another person to do any such act;

3.8: Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor:
The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(a) refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause;

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(d) make timely disclosure to the defense of all evidence or information known to the prosecutor that tends to negate the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense, and, in connection with sentencing, disclose to the defense and to the tribunal all unprivileged mitigating information known to the prosecutor, except when the prosecutor is relieved of this responsibility by a protective order of the tribunal;

Rule 8.4 Misconduct
It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to:

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(c) engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;

(d) engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice;

Model Rules of Professional Conduct: Table of Contents | The Center for Professional Responsibility

DOJ Ethics Handbook
14 General Principles of Ethical Conduct

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8. Employees shall act impartially and not give preferential treatment to any private organization or individual.

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11. Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to the appropriate authorities.

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14. Employees shall endeavor to avoid any actions creating the appearance that they are violating the law or the ethical standards set forth in this part.





Ethics Handbook for On and Off-Duty Conduct | JMD | Department of Justice

 

[nat4900]

LOL this is just too funny.
You do realize that posing as an attorney is a very serious offense don't you.

Hey, moron.........Your reading comprehension sucks....

I never claimed to be an attorney but attended a seminar of prosecutors...........Learn to read better and then apologize.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How is Trump above the law?

he is NOT.....but the idiot "thinks' that he is......

Trump: 'I have the absolute right to pardon myself' - CNNPolitics

Trump: 'I have the absolute right to PARDON myself' - CNBC.com

Trump: I have the right to pardon myself | TheHill

Trump: I “absolutely” can pardon myself - Vox

Nothing speaks to whether he does or doesn't.. unless you know otherwise.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"posing as an attorney is a very serious offense"



someone ought to alert cohen and rudy

They are both actual attorneys.

 

[nat4900]

Nobody but you thinks being a male prostitute at a lawyers' convention makes you credible on legal issues, idiot.

The above stated by some idiot with orange lips.........LOL

 

[Dana7360]

Mueller's so-called probe is a laughingstock. Over a long time, it has produced nothing, and is a complete flop. Mueller and his gang are just leaching off the taxpayers$$$, and Mueller himself is a rogue person, connected to seditious Muslim Brotherhood front groups for years.

This clown ought to be in a federal prison, rather than conducting an investigation.

Produced nothing?

What color is the sky in your world?

I guess all the guilty pleas with people flipping on trump to get a lesser sentence don't mean anything. Some of those who plead guilty are getting ready to serve their sentences in prison.

manafort is facing a lot of charges and even though he tried he couldn't get the chargers against him dropped by a judge.

He should be going to trial soon. Meanwhile he could be going to jail sooner since he has violated his bail agreement and tampered with witnesses. Why would an innocent person violate their bail agreement then tamper with witnesses? An innocent person wouldn't do that.

Mueller isn't done with his investigation. No one can say what he has or doesn't have. Real Americans have the patience to wait for the investigation to be finished.

What are you so afraid of? If trump is innocent as you say this shouldn't be an issue with you or any conservative.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Mueller's so-called probe is a laughingstock. Over a long time, it has produced nothing, and is a complete flop. Mueller and his gang are just leaching off the taxpayers$$$, and Mueller himself is a rogue person, connected to seditious Muslim Brotherhood front groups for years.

This clown ought to be in a federal prison, rather than conducting an investigation.

Produced nothing?

What color is the sky in your world?

I guess all the guilty pleas with people flipping on trump to get a lesser sentence don't mean anything. Some of those who plead guilty are getting ready to serve their sentences in prison.

manafort is facing a lot of charges and even though he tried he couldn't get the chargers against him dropped by a judge.

He should be going to trial soon. Meanwhile he could be going to jail sooner since he has violated his bail agreement and tampered with witnesses. Why would an innocent person violate their bail agreement then tamper with witnesses? An innocent person wouldn't do that.

Mueller isn't done with his investigation. No one can say what he has or doesn't have. Real Americans have the patience to wait for the investigation to be finished.

What are you so afraid of? If trump is innocent as you say this shouldn't be an issue with you or any conservative.

It isn't... they have absolutely nothing on Trump.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Any day now, any day now.

 

[Dana7360]

Mueller's so-called probe is a laughingstock. Over a long time, it has produced nothing, and is a complete flop. Mueller and his gang are just leaching off the taxpayers$$$, and Mueller himself is a rogue person, connected to seditious Muslim Brotherhood front groups for years.

This clown ought to be in a federal prison, rather than conducting an investigation.

Produced nothing?

What color is the sky in your world?

I guess all the guilty pleas with people flipping on trump to get a lesser sentence don't mean anything. Some of those who plead guilty are getting ready to serve their sentences in prison.

manafort is facing a lot of charges and even though he tried he couldn't get the chargers against him dropped by a judge.

He should be going to trial soon. Meanwhile he could be going to jail sooner since he has violated his bail agreement and tampered with witnesses. Why would an innocent person violate their bail agreement then tamper with witnesses? An innocent person wouldn't do that.

Mueller isn't done with his investigation. No one can say what he has or doesn't have. Real Americans have the patience to wait for the investigation to be finished.

What are you so afraid of? If trump is innocent as you say this shouldn't be an issue with you or any conservative.

It isn't... they have absolutely nothing on Trump.

It's impossible to say that since the investigation isn't finished and the report has not been filed.

If they have nothing on trump then what's the problem? Why are you so defensive?

Innocent people don't act this way.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Innocent people don't act like Trump and his defenders.

 

[nat4900]

It isn't... they have absolutely nothing on Trump.

Would you then have enough fucking decency to AT LEAST openly state that Trump surrounds himself with corrupt scumbags?

Go on, state it.....Its good for your half brain.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump may have not been involved in the collusion, but because his own admission and his actions, he is guilty of obstruction.

 

[protectionist]

Produced nothing? What color is the sky in your world?

I guess all the guilty pleas with people flipping on trump to get a lesser sentence don't mean anything. Some of those who plead guilty are getting ready to serve their sentences in prison.

manafort is facing a lot of charges and even though he tried he couldn't get the chargers against him dropped by a judge.

He should be going to trial soon. Meanwhile he could be going to jail sooner since he has violated his bail agreement and tampered with witnesses. Why would an innocent person violate their bail agreement then tamper with witnesses? An innocent person wouldn't do that.

Mueller isn't done with his investigation. No one can say what he has or doesn't have. Real Americans have the patience to wait for the investigation to be finished.

What are you so afraid of? If trump is innocent as you say this shouldn't be an issue with you or any conservative.

Manafort's charges relate to things that occurred YEARS before being with Trump's campaign. Only reason Mueller is talking to him at all, is to try to squeeze something out of him that DOES apply to the 2016 campaign. Back to the drawing board for you.

"Finished" ? I'd say it never started. One doesn't investigate without the knowledge of any crime having been committed. The Mueller witch hunt farce is an investigation in search of a crime (purely political).

The investigations that should have been conducted are all the known crimes committed by Hillary Clinton, as well as Obama's collusion with al Baghdadi (ISIS), and Mueller's seditious (if not treasonous) connections to Muslim Brotherhood front groups, whose conventions he was keynote speaker at, and his purging of FBI manuals, to appease those seditious groups.

 

[protectionist]

Trump may have not been involved in the collusion, but because his own admission and his actions, he is guilty of obstruction.

Obstruction ? How ?

 

[protectionist]

Would you then have enough fucking decency to AT LEAST openly state that Trump surrounds himself with corrupt scumbags?

Go on, state it.....Its good for your half brain.

You mean the corrupt scumbag holdovers from the Obama administration?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Trump acolytes did not shy away from mocking Mueller’s indictment of 13 Russians and 3 Russian entities a few weeks ago (with more of these indictments to surely follow.)
The mockery boiled down to “concluding’ the wasted effort of indicting any foreign individual who would never personally show up at trial.

Well, as usual, these Trump cult members are both wrong and ignorant of legal strategies.

Recently I attended a state-sponsored seminar of prosecutors where this issue (among many others) was addressed, and the consensus was actually praise of Mueller’s approach, for TWO important reasons:

First, having grand juries issue indictments for possible trials in absentia is a sound approach in ensuring that a controversial issue does NOT disappear solely because those indicted are not present. Guilt or innocence based on the indictments would STILL be adjudicated with evidence and subpoenaed witnesses.

Second, even if Trump were to pardon any and all of his corrupt cronies, these people would NOT be exempted from having to testify AND no longer able to plead the 5th from self-incrimination.

Finally, we must always bear in mind that some of these possible trials may be held in state venues and not federal courts.

Bottom line: Mueller IS one of the smartest prosecutors of our generation.

Nice eulogy, very nice

 

[protectionist]

Freedom of speech and expression is a wonderful thing. Please stop abusing it!

Your speech could be a lot better if it had some indication of what it was talking about. That is if you know .