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Ask the health departmentGays have spent centuries “going along” with what the Christian community wantsPenn's PA laws don't support the bridal shop.
The callers should be arrested.
Maybe we could settle the whole thing by sending out a questionaire, and all that don't agree can just be sumarily closed....
Look Jake, I am on record with saying that the business owners that are refusing service are in a business sense acting stupidly. Turning down business is NOT in their best interests...However, I disagree with these test attempts by the gay community to place their sexuality in your face....
Keep it to yourself, remain in the shadows, deny who you are
After a hard fight, they won the right to marry. They are not giving it up to appease Christian bigots
How about "No shoes, No shirts, No service" policies? Should we protest these as well?
Not following you....
You are harassing his customers, he has a right to tell you to stopTheir actions towards gays seems to indicate otherwiseWhile most will not outwardly say it........I think they believe itSo, you think all Christians believe that Westboro BS?
Why wouldnt they?
That's ridiculous...And bigoted...
Why else would they single out gays for refusal of wedding services
Let's try a little exercise shall we?
Say, I am a devout Christian, and my mission is to go into gay bars and hand out literature on how to 'pray the gay out'....And every bar I go into the owner kicks me out, should I start a movement to get him closed down?
You are harassing his customers, he has a right to tell you to stopTheir actions towards gays seems to indicate otherwiseWhile most will not outwardly say it........I think they believe it
Why wouldnt they?
That's ridiculous...And bigoted...
Why else would they single out gays for refusal of wedding services
Let's try a little exercise shall we?
Say, I am a devout Christian, and my mission is to go into gay bars and hand out literature on how to 'pray the gay out'....And every bar I go into the owner kicks me out, should I start a movement to get him closed down?
Ok, How about the video that I presented Coyote? I notice you avoided that like the plague....Why?
The Christian godhead is not one of hatred, not one Who supports humans who reject or humans who assault others' sensitives.In July of 2017, a local bridal shop in Pennsylvania received threatening voicemails from LGBT activists, after a same-sex couple was denied service because it violated the shop owners moral obligation to uphold Christian values. Similar organizations have fallen victim to the viciousness of the LGBT supposedly tolerant community. Posted on the Bridal shop’s Facebook page were two voicemails
Local Pennsylvania Bridal Shop Harassed and Threatened By LGBT Activists After Turning Away Same Sex Couple
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CREATING hate where there was none isn't it grand. wait until it all falls down around their superior attitudes and they're all knocked back down on their asses.
Vids are generally a waste of time.You are harassing his customers, he has a right to tell you to stopTheir actions towards gays seems to indicate otherwiseWhile most will not outwardly say it........I think they believe it
Why wouldnt they?
That's ridiculous...And bigoted...
Why else would they single out gays for refusal of wedding services
Let's try a little exercise shall we?
Say, I am a devout Christian, and my mission is to go into gay bars and hand out literature on how to 'pray the gay out'....And every bar I go into the owner kicks me out, should I start a movement to get him closed down?
Ok, How about the video that I presented Coyote? I notice you avoided that like the plague....Why?
If you are in a protected class or the state's PA says so, yes.Ask the health departmentGays have spent centuries “going along” with what the Christian community wantsMaybe we could settle the whole thing by sending out a questionaire, and all that don't agree can just be sumarily closed....
Look Jake, I am on record with saying that the business owners that are refusing service are in a business sense acting stupidly. Turning down business is NOT in their best interests...However, I disagree with these test attempts by the gay community to place their sexuality in your face....
Keep it to yourself, remain in the shadows, deny who you are
After a hard fight, they won the right to marry. They are not giving it up to appease Christian bigots
How about "No shoes, No shirts, No service" policies? Should we protest these as well?
Not following you....
Oh I got it....got lost for a second....So, when a person opens a business all of the sudden he or she give up the right to provide service to whom ever they wish? So, I can force a doctor to treat me?
Of course you find the notion of targeting ridiculous. You think we're all stupid and don't understand what's really going on. The homo mafia and their tools in the media and legislatures drum up support and pass these anti discrimination laws, then target Christian businesses to test them. It's been the agenda for the last few years. These cases aren't just coincidences. You're like the cop in the movie Casablanca when told there was gambling going on in the back room....."I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you".This is the part where you play dumb, huh. The hateful queers knew the owners were Christians and they knew what would happen. That's why they were targeted. You can play dumb all you want, but this is what activists do to test new anti discrimination laws.This is what the hateful queers do. They find a Christian business owner, set them up as a target, then take them down. They demand that people leave them alone, but they can't leave others alone. They're hateful hypocritical trash.
Perhaps the "hateful queers" simply search advertising for the goods they wish to purchase. I know this is what I would do. How in the heck would anyone know from advertising that some shop owner is a member of one of those Christian sects that oppose "participating" in same-sex weddings? You can't turn this situation on its head. Did the members of these Christian sects ever include their membership and the restrictions imposed by this membership in their advertising? Why are you trying to blame this on LGBTs? They are not responsible for the situation; they were were simply shopping. How are they supposed to know about someone else's personal predilections?
Also, as the "Christian" (not ALL Christians, thank you!) bakeries argue, wedding cakes require their personal artistry. To what extent is personal artistry involved with the operations of this shop? Do the proprietors of this shop design and sew personalized gowns for each individual customer or do they merely sell pre-manufactured gowns?
This is the part where you play dumb, huh. The hateful queers knew the owners were Christians and they knew what would happen. That's why they were targeted. You can play dumb all you want, but this is what activists do to test new anti discrimination laws.This is what the hateful queers do. They find a Christian business owner, set them up as a target, then take them down. They demand that people leave them alone, but they can't leave others alone. They're hateful hypocritical trash.
Perhaps the "hateful queers" simply search advertising for the goods they wish to purchase. I know this is what I would do. How in the heck would anyone know from advertising that some shop owner is a member of one of those Christian sects that oppose "participating" in same-sex weddings? You can't turn this situation on its head. Did the members of these Christian sects ever include their membership and the restrictions imposed by this membership in their advertising? Why are you trying to blame this on LGBTs? They are not responsible for the situation; they were were simply shopping. How are they supposed to know about someone else's personal predilections?
Also, as the "Christian" (not ALL Christians, thank you!) bakeries argue, wedding cakes require their personal artistry. To what extent is personal artistry involved with the operations of this shop? Do the proprietors of this shop design and sew personalized gowns for each individual customer or do they merely sell pre-manufactured gowns?
From your language, you obviously are a member of one of these hateful "Christian" cults. I find your notion of "targeting" ridiculous. How would potential customers know of a shop-owner's specific beliefs? Do they include this in advertising? "We are members of a sect of the Christian faith that prohibits providing any materials or services for same-sex weddings." See this anywhere in advertising? Remember, all Christians are not the same when it comes to this issue.
Moreover, even sect members are required to follow the law. There is no reason for people who are not members of these sects, straight or LGBT, to mollycoddle them. You seem to expect the rest of us to obediently kow-tow to them. Sorry, we don't kick innocent people of any sexual orientation out of mainstream society just to accommodate the desires of some other group.
So...if one gets a business license to open a business, they don't have to follow the business laws they indicated they would follow in getting that license?Ask the health departmentGays have spent centuries “going along” with what the Christian community wantsMaybe we could settle the whole thing by sending out a questionaire, and all that don't agree can just be sumarily closed....
Look Jake, I am on record with saying that the business owners that are refusing service are in a business sense acting stupidly. Turning down business is NOT in their best interests...However, I disagree with these test attempts by the gay community to place their sexuality in your face....
Keep it to yourself, remain in the shadows, deny who you are
After a hard fight, they won the right to marry. They are not giving it up to appease Christian bigots
How about "No shoes, No shirts, No service" policies? Should we protest these as well?
Not following you....
Oh I got it....got lost for a second....So, when a person opens a business all of the sudden he or she give up the right to provide service to whom ever they wish? So, I can force a doctor to treat me?
Of course you find the notion of targeting ridiculous. You think we're all stupid and don't understand what's really going on. The homo mafia and their tools in the media and legislatures drum up support and pass these anti discrimination laws, then target Christian businesses to test them. It's been the agenda for the last few years. These cases aren't just coincidences. You're like the cop in the movie Casablanca when told there was gambling going on in the back room....."I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you".This is the part where you play dumb, huh. The hateful queers knew the owners were Christians and they knew what would happen. That's why they were targeted. You can play dumb all you want, but this is what activists do to test new anti discrimination laws.This is what the hateful queers do. They find a Christian business owner, set them up as a target, then take them down. They demand that people leave them alone, but they can't leave others alone. They're hateful hypocritical trash.
Perhaps the "hateful queers" simply search advertising for the goods they wish to purchase. I know this is what I would do. How in the heck would anyone know from advertising that some shop owner is a member of one of those Christian sects that oppose "participating" in same-sex weddings? You can't turn this situation on its head. Did the members of these Christian sects ever include their membership and the restrictions imposed by this membership in their advertising? Why are you trying to blame this on LGBTs? They are not responsible for the situation; they were were simply shopping. How are they supposed to know about someone else's personal predilections?
Also, as the "Christian" (not ALL Christians, thank you!) bakeries argue, wedding cakes require their personal artistry. To what extent is personal artistry involved with the operations of this shop? Do the proprietors of this shop design and sew personalized gowns for each individual customer or do they merely sell pre-manufactured gowns?
This is the part where you play dumb, huh. The hateful queers knew the owners were Christians and they knew what would happen. That's why they were targeted. You can play dumb all you want, but this is what activists do to test new anti discrimination laws.This is what the hateful queers do. They find a Christian business owner, set them up as a target, then take them down. They demand that people leave them alone, but they can't leave others alone. They're hateful hypocritical trash.
Perhaps the "hateful queers" simply search advertising for the goods they wish to purchase. I know this is what I would do. How in the heck would anyone know from advertising that some shop owner is a member of one of those Christian sects that oppose "participating" in same-sex weddings? You can't turn this situation on its head. Did the members of these Christian sects ever include their membership and the restrictions imposed by this membership in their advertising? Why are you trying to blame this on LGBTs? They are not responsible for the situation; they were were simply shopping. How are they supposed to know about someone else's personal predilections?
Also, as the "Christian" (not ALL Christians, thank you!) bakeries argue, wedding cakes require their personal artistry. To what extent is personal artistry involved with the operations of this shop? Do the proprietors of this shop design and sew personalized gowns for each individual customer or do they merely sell pre-manufactured gowns?
From your language, you obviously are a member of one of these hateful "Christian" cults. I find your notion of "targeting" ridiculous. How would potential customers know of a shop-owner's specific beliefs? Do they include this in advertising? "We are members of a sect of the Christian faith that prohibits providing any materials or services for same-sex weddings." See this anywhere in advertising? Remember, all Christians are not the same when it comes to this issue.
Moreover, even sect members are required to follow the law. There is no reason for people who are not members of these sects, straight or LGBT, to mollycoddle them. You seem to expect the rest of us to obediently kow-tow to them. Sorry, we don't kick innocent people of any sexual orientation out of mainstream society just to accommodate the desires of some other group.
When you pass a law that violates my constitutional right to my religious beliefs, then you've crossed the line. Just because you pass a law, doesn't mean I have to follow it. You and many others don't get it. My Constitutional right to my religious beliefs is protected over your nasty bullying laws.What these "Christians" want is to produce chaos. The adult population of the U.S. stands at around 300 million. Allowing anyone to bail out of any law because of some belief that s/he has would wreak havoc on U.S. society.
BTW: I don't think that LGBT organizations employ testing methods, although these methods have been used in the past to discover whether someone is breaking civil rights laws. The only thing that I can find out about the couple that was refused service is that they posted a comment on Facebook about their experience. No one has an obligation to maintain some unwritten code of silence. Put simply, the couple did not do anything wrong.
Yes. Another case of playing dumb.Of course you find the notion of targeting ridiculous. You think we're all stupid and don't understand what's really going on. The homo mafia and their tools in the media and legislatures drum up support and pass these anti discrimination laws, then target Christian businesses to test them. It's been the agenda for the last few years. These cases aren't just coincidences. You're like the cop in the movie Casablanca when told there was gambling going on in the back room....."I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you".This is the part where you play dumb, huh. The hateful queers knew the owners were Christians and they knew what would happen. That's why they were targeted. You can play dumb all you want, but this is what activists do to test new anti discrimination laws.This is what the hateful queers do. They find a Christian business owner, set them up as a target, then take them down. They demand that people leave them alone, but they can't leave others alone. They're hateful hypocritical trash.
Perhaps the "hateful queers" simply search advertising for the goods they wish to purchase. I know this is what I would do. How in the heck would anyone know from advertising that some shop owner is a member of one of those Christian sects that oppose "participating" in same-sex weddings? You can't turn this situation on its head. Did the members of these Christian sects ever include their membership and the restrictions imposed by this membership in their advertising? Why are you trying to blame this on LGBTs? They are not responsible for the situation; they were were simply shopping. How are they supposed to know about someone else's personal predilections?
Also, as the "Christian" (not ALL Christians, thank you!) bakeries argue, wedding cakes require their personal artistry. To what extent is personal artistry involved with the operations of this shop? Do the proprietors of this shop design and sew personalized gowns for each individual customer or do they merely sell pre-manufactured gowns?
This is the part where you play dumb, huh. The hateful queers knew the owners were Christians and they knew what would happen. That's why they were targeted. You can play dumb all you want, but this is what activists do to test new anti discrimination laws.This is what the hateful queers do. They find a Christian business owner, set them up as a target, then take them down. They demand that people leave them alone, but they can't leave others alone. They're hateful hypocritical trash.
Perhaps the "hateful queers" simply search advertising for the goods they wish to purchase. I know this is what I would do. How in the heck would anyone know from advertising that some shop owner is a member of one of those Christian sects that oppose "participating" in same-sex weddings? You can't turn this situation on its head. Did the members of these Christian sects ever include their membership and the restrictions imposed by this membership in their advertising? Why are you trying to blame this on LGBTs? They are not responsible for the situation; they were were simply shopping. How are they supposed to know about someone else's personal predilections?
Also, as the "Christian" (not ALL Christians, thank you!) bakeries argue, wedding cakes require their personal artistry. To what extent is personal artistry involved with the operations of this shop? Do the proprietors of this shop design and sew personalized gowns for each individual customer or do they merely sell pre-manufactured gowns?
From your language, you obviously are a member of one of these hateful "Christian" cults. I find your notion of "targeting" ridiculous. How would potential customers know of a shop-owner's specific beliefs? Do they include this in advertising? "We are members of a sect of the Christian faith that prohibits providing any materials or services for same-sex weddings." See this anywhere in advertising? Remember, all Christians are not the same when it comes to this issue.
Moreover, even sect members are required to follow the law. There is no reason for people who are not members of these sects, straight or LGBT, to mollycoddle them. You seem to expect the rest of us to obediently kow-tow to them. Sorry, we don't kick innocent people of any sexual orientation out of mainstream society just to accommodate the desires of some other group.
"homo mafia".....
You have the court system available to youWhen you pass a law that violates my constitutional right to my religious beliefs, then you've crossed the line. Just because you pass a law, doesn't mean I have to follow it. You and many others don't get it. My Constitutional right to my religious beliefs is protected over your nasty bullying laws.What these "Christians" want is to produce chaos. The adult population of the U.S. stands at around 300 million. Allowing anyone to bail out of any law because of some belief that s/he has would wreak havoc on U.S. society.
BTW: I don't think that LGBT organizations employ testing methods, although these methods have been used in the past to discover whether someone is breaking civil rights laws. The only thing that I can find out about the couple that was refused service is that they posted a comment on Facebook about their experience. No one has an obligation to maintain some unwritten code of silence. Put simply, the couple did not do anything wrong.
Those are for individuals...not groups of people. Surely you know that.Gays have spent centuries “going along” with what the Christian community wantsPenn's PA laws don't support the bridal shop.
The callers should be arrested.
Maybe we could settle the whole thing by sending out a questionaire, and all that don't agree can just be sumarily closed....
Look Jake, I am on record with saying that the business owners that are refusing service are in a business sense acting stupidly. Turning down business is NOT in their best interests...However, I disagree with these test attempts by the gay community to place their sexuality in your face....
Keep it to yourself, remain in the shadows, deny who you are
After a hard fight, they won the right to marry. They are not giving it up to appease Christian bigots
How about "No shoes, No shirts, No service" policies? Should we protest these as well?
Yep, and we're using it. That's why its so crucial to appoint judges with common sense and that follow the Constitution instead of activists that follow the latest queer fad.You have the court system available to youWhen you pass a law that violates my constitutional right to my religious beliefs, then you've crossed the line. Just because you pass a law, doesn't mean I have to follow it. You and many others don't get it. My Constitutional right to my religious beliefs is protected over your nasty bullying laws.What these "Christians" want is to produce chaos. The adult population of the U.S. stands at around 300 million. Allowing anyone to bail out of any law because of some belief that s/he has would wreak havoc on U.S. society.
BTW: I don't think that LGBT organizations employ testing methods, although these methods have been used in the past to discover whether someone is breaking civil rights laws. The only thing that I can find out about the couple that was refused service is that they posted a comment on Facebook about their experience. No one has an obligation to maintain some unwritten code of silence. Put simply, the couple did not do anything wrong.
Actually I agree with your point in that it is a complex issue...but I also think their religion can be used to justify bigotry. I dont agree with people who deliberately try to bait people into refusing service and then sue them and destroy their business. But if a couple came into a wedding store with out any idea they would not be served like any other couple, and were told no they would neef to go elsewhete that is not right either.A bakery in Bakersfield CA just won a lawsuit against them recently for the same thing.
Excellent news. Maybe a useful precedent
Feb 5 2018
According to court documents from the ruling in favor of Tastries Bakery:
"A wedding cake is not just cake in Free Speech analysis. It is an artistic expression by the person making it that is to be used traditionally as centerpiece in the celebration of marriage.
There could not be greater form of expressive conduct. Here... They plan celebration to declare the validity of their marital union and their enduring love for one another.
The State asks this court to compel Miller against her will and religion to allow her artistic expression in celebration of marriage to be co-opted to promote the message desired by same-sex marital partners, and with which Miller disagrees.
Identifying the interests here as implicating First Amendment protections does not end the inquiry...
Furthermore, here the state minimizes the fact that Miller has provided for an alternative means for potential customers to receive the product they desire through the services of another talent" -- Miller recommended her competitor to the same-sex couple after refusing to design them a cake.
The ruling goes on to say that "the fact that Rodriguez-Del Rios feel they will suffer indignity from Miller’s choice is not sufficient to deny constitutional protection."
It could also be argued that the shop owner will suffer indignity if she were forced to engage in an activity that would make her uncomfortable and violates her religious beliefs.
I'm not sure what the answer is to the question as to whether or not these people have the right to deny service they feel goes against their religious beliefs. On one hand you could argue that it is discrimination but on the other hand, you could argue for religious freedom.
The point I've been trying to make in this discussion (apparently unsuccessfully) is that everything, including cases like this, occur in a much larger, complicated context. It's not always as simple as saying the shop owners are bigots. There are always other things to consider, such as their religious beliefs. But too often people are too lazy to consider the bigger picture. It's much easier to just say "Screw 'em, they're just bigots. Sue them at the tune of tens of thousands of dollars and force them to into practices that would cause them indignity and emotional stress."
Just wondering if you feel the same way about this incident...
Actually I agree with your point in that it is a complex issue...but I also think their religion can be used to justify bigotry. I dont agree with people who deliberately try to bait people into refusing service and then sue them and destroy their business. But if a couple came into a wedding store with out any idea they would not be served like any other couple, and were told no they would neef to go elsewhete that is not right either.A bakery in Bakersfield CA just won a lawsuit against them recently for the same thing.
Excellent news. Maybe a useful precedent
Feb 5 2018
According to court documents from the ruling in favor of Tastries Bakery:
"A wedding cake is not just cake in Free Speech analysis. It is an artistic expression by the person making it that is to be used traditionally as centerpiece in the celebration of marriage.
There could not be greater form of expressive conduct. Here... They plan celebration to declare the validity of their marital union and their enduring love for one another.
The State asks this court to compel Miller against her will and religion to allow her artistic expression in celebration of marriage to be co-opted to promote the message desired by same-sex marital partners, and with which Miller disagrees.
Identifying the interests here as implicating First Amendment protections does not end the inquiry...
Furthermore, here the state minimizes the fact that Miller has provided for an alternative means for potential customers to receive the product they desire through the services of another talent" -- Miller recommended her competitor to the same-sex couple after refusing to design them a cake.
The ruling goes on to say that "the fact that Rodriguez-Del Rios feel they will suffer indignity from Miller’s choice is not sufficient to deny constitutional protection."
It could also be argued that the shop owner will suffer indignity if she were forced to engage in an activity that would make her uncomfortable and violates her religious beliefs.
I'm not sure what the answer is to the question as to whether or not these people have the right to deny service they feel goes against their religious beliefs. On one hand you could argue that it is discrimination but on the other hand, you could argue for religious freedom.
The point I've been trying to make in this discussion (apparently unsuccessfully) is that everything, including cases like this, occur in a much larger, complicated context. It's not always as simple as saying the shop owners are bigots. There are always other things to consider, such as their religious beliefs. But too often people are too lazy to consider the bigger picture. It's much easier to just say "Screw 'em, they're just bigots. Sue them at the tune of tens of thousands of dollars and force them to into practices that would cause them indignity and emotional stress."
Just wondering if you feel the same way about this incident...
You know they were harassing the customers, right?
Yes, it does. It violates the right of a Christian business owner and their belief that marriage is a male and female. You twits will get in line just like lemmings and follow anything and anyone that comes up with the latest queer fad.The law does not violate the constitutional rights of the anti-homo mafia, of which you are a member.When you pass a law that violates my constitutional right to my religious beliefs, then you've crossed the line. Just because you pass a law, doesn't mean I have to follow it. You and many others don't get it. My Constitutional right to my religious beliefs is protected over your nasty bullying laws.What these "Christians" want is to produce chaos. The adult population of the U.S. stands at around 300 million. Allowing anyone to bail out of any law because of some belief that s/he has would wreak havoc on U.S. society.
BTW: I don't think that LGBT organizations employ testing methods, although these methods have been used in the past to discover whether someone is breaking civil rights laws. The only thing that I can find out about the couple that was refused service is that they posted a comment on Facebook about their experience. No one has an obligation to maintain some unwritten code of silence. Put simply, the couple did not do anything wrong.
