London murders outnumber New York 2 months in a row...so it starts....

[tyroneweaver]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

More muzzies are making their way into the city

 

[2aguy]

Guns are banned in London. Knives are banned in London.

So tell us LWNJ's , why didn't that stop these killings?

No one has ever claimed that gun bans prevent all murders, or all crimes. But they cut down substantially on those numbers.

The USA has the highest murder rate, the highest rate of gun violence, the highest rate of suicide by gun, and the highest rate of accidental shootings in the first world.

New York’s murder rate has dropped by 90%, in large part because the state has the toughest gun laws in the US.

No...they don't....you don't know what you are talking about....gun murder did not decline when they banned and confiscated guns in Britain.......you have been shown the data.......

Gun murder actually did go down as more Americans bought more guns and started carrying them...you have been shown the data.....

Murder with guns is not because criminals have guns....murder happens because the criminal doesn't care about the consequences when they take a human life....in Britain, as I have posted, they shoot to wound, in the U.S. our gang members shoot to kill.....a difference in criminal culture...since they both have access to guns...

AGain......the difference between the two countries.....please, read them before you post....

Britain...banned guns....

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.


The U.S., 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense.......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are banned in London. Knives are banned in London.

So tell us LWNJ's , why didn't that stop these killings?

No one has ever claimed that gun bans prevent all murders, or all crimes. But they cut down substantially on those numbers.

The USA has the highest murder rate, the highest rate of gun violence, the highest rate of suicide by gun, and the highest rate of accidental shootings in the first world.

New York’s murder rate has dropped by 90%, in large part because the state has the toughest gun laws in the US.

No....it dropped because Rudy Guiliani instituted stop and frisk and use of computer models in police work.....his crime fighting policies.....Which focused on actual gun criminals...changed the city....until now, when deblasio is ending those policies...

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

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The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are banned in London. Knives are banned in London.

So tell us LWNJ's , why didn't that stop these killings?

No one has ever claimed that gun bans prevent all murders, or all crimes. But they cut down substantially on those numbers.

The USA has the highest murder rate, the highest rate of gun violence, the highest rate of suicide by gun, and the highest rate of accidental shootings in the first world.

New York’s murder rate has dropped by 90%, in large part because the state has the toughest gun laws in the US.

Explain Baltimore...with even more extreme gun control than New York, and a tiny population compared to New York.....and then tell us about Chicago which has the same gun control as New York.....

You don't know what you are talking about..

Murder rate 2017

Baltimore......343
population......620,961

Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million

Baltimore......620,961

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335

Baltimore......318

 

[MikeK]

[...]

The USA has the highest murder rate, the highest rate of gun violence, the highest rate of suicide by gun, and the highest rate of accidental shootings in the first world.

[...]

But we don't have this:



So which would you prefer to have?

 

[tinydancer]

Well. Well. The latest news from Londonistan is not pretty. The bloody fools haven't banned knives yet.

London murder rate beats New York as stabbings surge

Eight Londoners were murdered between March 14 and March 20 aloneALAMY

Article at link. Oh and I really need to add this. Attention gun grabbers. Fuck right off.

London murder rate beats New York as stabbings surge

 

[Mac1958]

I dunno, he's living the dream right now. His opponents are giving him a lifetime's worth of publicity.

No reason to change anything.

 

[JoeMoma]

I dunno, he's living the dream right now. His opponents are giving him a lifetime's worth of publicity.

No reason to change anything.

I think he (Hogg) will be around for quite awhile as a political activist for the left because he has a gift of being able to set conservatives off.

 

[Moonglow]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

Glasgow Scotland has a higher murder rate than London, but it's not because of guns, but because of knife crime (Overall)

and it's mostly from battle reenactments of the 12th century..

 

[tinydancer]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

More muzzies are making their way into the city

Actually Londonistan is owned by the Gulf States. No guff.

Qatari's royal family owns more of London than Queen Elizabeth. They basically bought England. Including soccer teams. Fairly chilling in the sense that all of the Brit politicians headed by Blair profited from the sale of Britain to the Gulf States.

"In a spending spree that started in 2008, the ruling Al Thani family and its assorted investment vehicles, including the Qatar Investment Fund, have acquired a 20% slice of Camden market; posh department store Harrods; 95% of the Shard, at 87 storeys the EU’s tallest building; the Olympic village; half of the world’s most expensive apartment block at One Hyde Park; the Chelsea Barracks site, and the US embassy building in Grosvenor Square.

Along the way, Qatar has also acquired just over a quarter of Sainsbury’s, some 8% of the London Stock Exchange, and nearly 7% of Barclays. As the former Qatari prime minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani (not to be confused with the current eighth emir, 34-year-old Sherborne, Harrow and Sandhurst-educated Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, whose London home the neoclassical Cornwall Terrace mansion will be) observed to the Financial Times in a rare 2010 interview, “We are investing everywhere. Even your Harrod’s – we took it.”

How much of London is owned by Qatar’s royal family?

 

[The Original Tree]

Only London would elect a Muslim Mayor who tells them to expect to be murdered by his Muslim Brethren. In what bizzaro world does it even make sense for this guy to be Mayor unless London is now Libphuckistan?

 

[80zephyr]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

Breibart news, really? That's all you've got? A bunch of shithead liars?

Are you this stupid....or are you just pretending to be this stupid...they are reporting the numbers from British sources you dumb ass.....

Then find a credible source. Breitbart is for dummies.

You feel the same way about Vox and Slate?

Mark

 

[The Original Tree]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

No...twit...guns are still illegal for law abiding citizens...so only criminals have them...on an island nation.....

As our gun crime rate shows, law abiding citizens owning and actually carrying guns does not increase the crime rate....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Too bad your post isn't on every billboard in every gun free zone and sanctuary city in America.

 

[Taz]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

Breibart news, really? That's all you've got? A bunch of shithead liars?

Are you this stupid....or are you just pretending to be this stupid...they are reporting the numbers from British sources you dumb ass.....

Then find a credible source. Breitbart is for dummies.

You feel the same way about Vox and Slate?

Mark

Don't really know those, so can't say.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

Facts always destroy the lefts narratives.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Good thing no one in NY has a knife.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

I wonder where our British poster is on this? He called me a coward for avoided London during my 3 week expedition into Ireland, Scotland and England. Well, just to be fair, I totally avoid New York City just because of the lunacy of the liberals in that city also. If you go into a war zone without protection, you too will be a victim of liberalism.

One killed, 22 injured as vehicle plows into pedestrians in Times Square, police say

London Bridge killer tried to hire a 7.5 ton lorry | Daily Mail Online

 

[The Original Tree]

I hate to say this and it makes me sad to say it, and also makes me feel like a bad human being, but on an academic level, Islam is incompatible with Democracy, and Individual Liberties. A Nation such as America, requires that Immigrants accept the principles of equality, regardless of race, color, sex or religion. This is incompatible with Islamic Doctrine. Islamic peoples simply cannot assimilate in to American Culture.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

I wonder where our British poster is on this? He called me a coward for avoided London during my 3 week expedition into Ireland, Scotland and England. Well, just to be fair, I totally avoid New York City just because of the lunacy of the liberals in that city also. If you go into a war zone without protection, you too will be a victim of liberalism.

One killed, 22 injured as vehicle plows into pedestrians in Times Square, police say

London Bridge killer tried to hire a 7.5 ton lorry | Daily Mail Online

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Same folks who claim Trump is Hitler and the government police are shooting innocents intentionally and beg that citizens not be allowed guns.

 

[irosie91]

495 too many for an UNNECESSARY toy. Cars are vital, heating units are
vital, medicines and foods are vital------shooting bambi is not vital

Shooting bambi isn't the whole of it.

Well, what about shooting intruders be they common criminals, or government tyrants?

Keep in mind your Holocaust victim Jews, were disarmed of their guns by Nazi Germany.

try again-----jews were disarmed by the CATHOLIC CHURCH -------including the catholic church of POLAND for more than 1000 years ---
before guns it was swords daggers -----victims of the
<far less than> holy catholic church of the holey roman empire. Most of
the jews of Poland NEVER had access to a gun-----not them---not their parents or their grandparents or their great, great... grandparents because
of the filth of "canon" law. Adolf did not INVENT the idea-------the
mass murderer CONSTANTINE did it

No....Jews were disarmed by the nazi party, the German Socialists using the gun registration lists created in the 1920s, right before they were sent to he death camps.....

This lesson has never been learned by the left wingers.......or has the wrong lesson been learned?

Jews were disarmed under the stinking filth of JUSTINIAN LAW. My statement is true-------very few jews in Europe had any experience AT
ALL with guns------because of their being disarmed by DA CHURCH---
for more than 1000 years even though those fascist laws were not in
effect in Germany for a few centuries------even today you will find few
jews who own guns. Most of the jewish army that defeated the
arab countries in 1948 had never previous to landing in palestine TOUCHED A RIFLE. Being disarmed became a CUSTOM
amongst jews based on Justinian and Canon law. I doubt that the disarming of jews by the Nuremburg laws had much actual effect. Jews are also completely disarmed under SHARIAH law too. -----completely---
Muhummad got the idea from Canon law. (but then----so are Christians---isn't history FUN????-----most of the real crap is NUTHIN' NEW)

So, this makes you support gun control?

polack------there is nothing in my post that suggest. support or lack of support for "gun control"