Lt. Army Colonel: "Obama Tried To Romance Putin And He Got Date-Raped"

[eagle1462010]

The end of tyrants

The end of tyrants
For me, the worst thing on earth is the existence of dictators. The existence of dictators and unfree regimes is the cause of all war, all genocide, all famine, and almost all poverty on earth.
For me, the best thing on earth is the toppling of dictators. Those rare, glorious moments when good triumphs, and evil is humiliated, just like in the movies.

In real life, evil normally wins. Evil normally stays in power for years, sits at the UN, is never punished, grows fat and rich, and retires to the South of France. But sometimes - all too rarely - evil loses, and is forced to face justice on earth.

 

[eagle1462010]

I'm done with the same argument that wasn't even supposed to be the OP.

Saddam was an Evil Dictator and a SOB. He caused the death of over a million people and in my last post it shows his rightful place in the history of man. He was rightfully hung by the people he murdered and tortured for many many years.

He has a place in hell for his time on earth.

Bush was right to label him part of the Axis of Evil. He deserved his final fate...........just as OBL deserved his........all Tyrants and Murderers throughout time deserve their fate.................

Saddam used Chemical weapons for over a decade.............his rightful place was on that floor that day as US forces captured the dog.

The Dems gave authorization to go as did the UN, and then keep saying.

WE WERE FOOLED BY BUSH..........Perhaps it's time to replace those so easily fooled by your side. If they are so stupid to be so easily fooled then why do you continue to elect them....................

They said the same damned things about Saddam and even attacked Iraq because of it. As Obama threatened Syria over the same dang thing that was only a fraction of what Saddam did during his reign of terror in the region.

So, the Iraq discussion is over for me on this thread and my new responses will be only showing the brutality and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY BY SADDAM HUSSEIN during his reign.

Unless we want to discuss Obama and Russia.

 

[eagle1462010]

Uday Hussein - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Died 22 July 2003 (aged 39)
Mosul, Iraq

Allegations of crimes[edit]
A report released on 20 March 2003, one day after the American led invasion of Iraq, by ABC news detailed several allegations against Uday:

• As head of the Iraqi Olympic Committee, Uday oversaw the imprisonment and torture of Iraqi athletes who were deemed not to have performed to expectations. According to widespread reports, torturers beat andcaned the soles of the football players' feet—inflicting intense pain without leaving visible marks on the rest of their bodies. Uday reportedly kept scorecards with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten after a poor showing. He would insult athletes who performed below his expectations by calling them dogs and monkeys to their faces.[15] One defector reported that jailed football players were forced to kick a concrete ball after failing to reach the 1994 FIFA World Cup finals.[16] The Iraqi national football team were seen with their heads shaved after failing to achieve a good result in a tournament in the 1980s. It was widely circulated that Uday ordered the shaving as part of the punishment. Another defector claimed that athletes were dragged through a gravel pit and subsequently immersed in a sewage tank to induce infection in the victims' wounds.[8] After Iraq lost, 4–1, to Japan in the quarter finals of the 2000 AFC Asian Cup in Lebanon, goalkeeper Hashim Hassan, defender Abdul Jaber and forward Qahtan Chatir were labelled as guilty of loss and eventually flogged for three days by Uday's security.[16]

Other allegations include:

• Kidnapping young Iraqi women from the streets in order to rape them. Uday was known to intrude on parties and otherwise "discover" women whom he would later rape. Time published an article in 2003 detailing his sexual brutality.[1][17]
• When U.S. troops captured his mansion in Baghdad, they found a personal zoo stocked with lions andcheetahs; an underground parking garage for his collection of luxury cars; paintings glorifying him and his mother with Saddam (which was known to have infuriated his father); Cuban cigars inscribed with his name; and millions of dollars worth of fine wines, liquor and heroin. An HIV testing kit was also found among his personal effects.[15] He amassed millions of U.S. dollars by running façade corporations illegally trading with Iran (although, at that time, UN restrictions did not allow foreign trading. Only later, Iraq was allowed to import certain commodities such as food and medical supplies legally under the UN Oil For Food programme).
• Usage of an iron maiden on persons running afoul of him.[18]
• Beating an army officer unconscious when the man refused to allow Uday to dance with his wife; the man later died of his injuries. Uday also shot and killed an army officer who did not salute him.[8]
• Stealing approximately 1,200 luxury vehicles, including a Rolls-Royce Corniche valued at over $200,000.[citation needed] A Lamborghini LM002, given to him as a gift by former Leader of Libya Muammar Gaddafi, was later blown up by U.S. forces to demonstrate the effects of a car bomb.[19]
• Plotting, in 2000, to assassinate Ahmed Chalabi, the leader of the Iraqi National Congress, presumably to impress his father after Qusay was named heir apparen

 

[Camp]

I'm done with the same argument that wasn't even supposed to be the OP.

So, the Iraq discussion is over for me on this thread and my new responses will be only showing the brutality and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY BY SADDAM HUSSEIN during his reign.

Unless we want to discuss Obama and Russia.

Your post about Saddam are interesting, but as you have pointed out, off the topic of the thread which is supposed to be an Obama vs. Putin debate or whatever. Obama has kicked Putin's ass and shown him to be an inferior statesman, diplomat and tactician. Seems natural for the conservatives who have bragged about his abilities to want to deflect from discussing the topic with reality and facts.

 

[eagle1462010]

Crimes of Saddam Hussein

Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.

The campaign consisted of eight stages of assault, where up to 200,000 Iraqi troops attacked the area, rounded up civilians, and razed villages. Once rounded up, the civilians were divided into two groups: men from ages of about 13 to 70 and women, children, and elderly men. The men were then shot and buried in mass graves. The women, children, and elderly were taken to relocation camps where conditions were deplorable. In a few areas, especially areas that put up even a little resistance, everyone was killed.

Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.

 

[eagle1462010]

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

 

[Camp]

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Why don't you STFU..............

Your side changed the subject to Iraq..................

 

[eagle1462010]

The Post-Uprising Massacres of 1991:

In the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm, the United States encouraged Kurds and Shiites to rebel against Hussein's regime--then withdrew and refused to support them, leaving an unknown number to be slaughtered. At one point, Hussein's regime killed as many as 2,000 suspected Kurdish rebels every day. Some two million Kurds hazarded the dangerous trek through the mountains to Iran and Turkey, hundreds of thousands dying in the process.

 

[Camp]

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Why don't you STFU..............

Your side changed the subject to Iraq..................

So being polite to you brings a STFU response of a typical online tuff guy punk. OK, lets deal with that. You are a hater dupe who is pissed off the the black dude in the White House is kicking the white guy in Moscow's ass on the world stage. To bad for you and your dim witted kind. Bringing up a dead dictator from a decade ago won't change the fact that your buddy in Moscow is no match for the current resident of the White House.

 

[eagle1462010]

USATODAY.com - Iraqis pour out tales of Saddam s torture chambers

He denied any wrongdoing.

"Under Saddam, there were no rights of appeal," Kardom said. "I begged them to stop as they beat me. It only inspired them to beat me harder."

An Iraqi soldier, who according to the facility's records witnessed the beatings, said interrogators regularly used pliers to remove men's teeth, electric prods to shock men's genitals and drills to cut holes in their ankles.

In one instance, the soldier recalled, he witnessed a Kuwaiti soldier, who had been captured during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, being forced to sit on a broken Pepsi bottle. The man was removed from the bottle only after it filled up with his blood, the soldier said. He said the man later died.

"I have seen interrogators break the heads of men with baseball bats, pour salt into wounds and rape wives in front of their husbands," said former Iraqi soldier Ali Iyad Kareen, 41.

He then revealed dozens of Polaroid pictures of beaten and dead Iraqis from the directorate's files.

The beatings continued until the last days of the old government. Iraqi Maj. Shakir Hamid, 33, and his two brothers said they were arrested March 5 by military intelligence police and charged with being informants for the CIA. They were released by sympathetic Iraqi soldiers last week, Hamid said.

He and his two brothers, Majeed and Shakeer, have cigarette burns on their wrists, the bottoms of their feet and their inner thighs. He pointed out dried blood stains on the cement floor of several jail cells. "The interrogators kept telling me, 'Admit it, you work for the Americans, don't you?' " Hamid said. "Under Saddam, you were found guilty whether or not there was any evidence against you."

Most of the five-story building has been demolished by U.S.-led airstrikes. Steel beams and parts of concrete walls cover the floors. Furniture, files and pictures have been burned beyond recognition.

 

[eagle1462010]

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Why don't you STFU..............

Your side changed the subject to Iraq..................

So being polite to you brings a STFU response of a typical online tuff guy punk. OK, lets deal with that. You are a hater dupe who is pissed off the the black dude in the White House is kicking the white guy in Moscow's ass on the world stage. To bad for you and your dim witted kind. Bringing up a dead dictator from a decade ago won't change the fact that your buddy in Moscow is no match for the current resident of the White House.

Again, your side diverted to Iraq form the thread as I started on this thread just showing some of what was going on in Russia.......

Your side diverted the Fucking thread. So STFU.

 

[Camp]

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.

Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."

Why don't you start your own thread about this topic? You seem to have taken on yourself to kill this thread and hijack it into one of you own choosing. Whats up with that?

Why don't you STFU..............

Your side changed the subject to Iraq..................

So being polite to you brings a STFU response of a typical online tuff guy punk. OK, lets deal with that. You are a hater dupe who is pissed off the the black dude in the White House is kicking the white guy in Moscow's ass on the world stage. To bad for you and your dim witted kind. Bringing up a dead dictator from a decade ago won't change the fact that your buddy in Moscow is no match for the current resident of the White House.

Again, your side diverted to Iraq form the thread as I started on this thread just showing some of what was going on in Russia.......

Your side diverted the Fucking thread. So STFU.

Me being on a "side" is something in you imagination. One of the major problems of our society today and one that is obvious at boards like this. To have an opinion places one on a "side". The Tea Party extremist have convinced the "easy to convince" that being partisan is a positive trait. Do what you are told and promote the official position of the masters. What you are arguing is that you have some kind of moral right to be an asshole because somebody else did something and therefore all rules of behavior are null and void. You seem to be willing to do anything you can get away with to prevent a positive discussion about how the black guy in DC is kicking the white guy in Moscow's ass.

 

[JoeB131]

We went to War in the Middle East because of 9/11. Bush went into Iraq to finish for his dad. The problem with the middle east is not isolated to Afghanistan.

I did not agree with prolonged Wars to fight on their terms from the onset. I've always stated to get in and kill as many as possible and get out. So stop with the we..............

Whatever, guy. Here you are trying to rationalize the stupidity 12 years later, how if you guys had been running things, there have been a much better result.

I'm an old man, but I seem to remember the same kind of smack being said about Vietnam.

 

[JoeB131]

Again we went to War in that region because we wanted to KICK THEIR ASSES for 9/11..............We wanted Pay Back and Bush wanted to get pay back on Saddam.........It was a long time after 9/11 before we attacked them, as the World demanded again and again to allow inspectors back in.

Saddam had well over a year to allow it to continue..............But he didn't did he. It took the threat of War to get it done and initial inspections found delivery systems he said he didn't have.

Why should Saddam give up his national pride because of what someone else did.

The reality is, Iraq was not our enemy, Saddam was not working with Al Qaeda, probably had more to fear from them than we do.

Bush exploited fear, some of us went along with it, some of us believed him (I know I did), and he pretty much did what he did best. He fucked it up.

And a year from now, when the GOP nominates his idiot brother, you are going to be back here cheering for him.

 

[Conservative65]

We went to War in the Middle East because of 9/11. Bush went into Iraq to finish for his dad. The problem with the middle east is not isolated to Afghanistan.

I did not agree with prolonged Wars to fight on their terms from the onset. I've always stated to get in and kill as many as possible and get out. So stop with the we..............

Whatever, guy. Here you are trying to rationalize the stupidity 12 years later, how if you guys had been running things, there have been a much better result.

I'm an old man, but I seem to remember the same kind of smack being said about Vietnam.

You're an old fool. In both situations, then and now, fighting was done to win but not to lose. That's how you lose. If you are going to win, you better be willing to fight on a stronger level than your opponent not try to make him like you by being nice. I don't care if we waterboard 10,000 of them and carpet bomb the place as long as we win.

 

[JoeB131]

The end of tyrants

The end of tyrants
For me, the worst thing on earth is the existence of dictators. The existence of dictators and unfree regimes is the cause of all war, all genocide, all famine, and almost all poverty on earth.
For me, the best thing on earth is the toppling of dictators. Those rare, glorious moments when good triumphs, and evil is humiliated, just like in the movies.

In real life, evil normally wins. Evil normally stays in power for years, sits at the UN, is never punished, grows fat and rich, and retires to the South of France. But sometimes - all too rarely - evil loses, and is forced to face justice on earth.

Wow, yeah, giving you a bit of victory porn really does make up for the 4400 lives lost needlessly.

NOT!!!!

 

[JoeB131]

You're an old fool. In both situations, then and now, fighting was done to win but not to lose. That's how you lose. If you are going to win, you better be willing to fight on a stronger level than your opponent not try to make him like you by being nice. I don't care if we waterboard 10,000 of them and carpet bomb the place as long as we win.

Yeah, that's the same shit that people said about Vietnam when we dropped more bombs on North Vietnam than we dropped on Germany and Japan combined in WWII.

You win when your cause is just. We won world war II, because when the smoke cleared, the Germans and Japanese could clearly see how badly they fucked up. The Vietnamese and Iraqis were just people fighting for their homes. They didn't want us there and we had no business being there.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, Eagle, how many pages are you going to spend trying to rationalize the Iraq War.

It was a terrible idea. Most sensible people agree on that now.