Man kicked out of town meeting for refusingto stand for Pledge

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A first amendment activist was escorted from a public meeting in Winter Garden FL for refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

This country would be a lot better off if people realized that just b/c they CAN do something, doesn't mean they SHOULD do it.

I'll compare it to open carrying in cities.

Hey fuck heads knock it off, you're scaring people. DUH

Ya know I gotta agree with you here. Smart and legal arent the same thing. People have every right to open carry But they ought to exercise some restraint.
It's what comes of a society that focuses on rights and ignores responsibilities.

Exactly, just like burning Korans.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

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A first amendment activist was escorted from a public meeting in Winter Garden FL for refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

This country would be a lot better off if people realized that just b/c they CAN do something, doesn't mean they SHOULD do it.

I'll compare it to open carrying in cities.

Hey fuck heads knock it off, you're scaring people. DUH

Ya know I gotta agree with you here. Smart and legal arent the same thing. People have every right to open carry But they ought to exercise some restraint.
It's what comes of a society that focuses on rights and ignores responsibilities.

Exactly, just like burning Korans.

Or forcing someone to do business with you when they do NOT want your money

 

[rightwinger]

Blind allegiance is not allegiance

He was not being crass. He was sitting, minding his own business. It was the mayor who was being crass, insisting that everyone conform

So, you are making things up now? Where is it said that I advocated blind allegiance?

He was NOT minding his own business, he was there to mind the business of the city/town he lived in. Standing silently is no more harmful than sitting silently. In this case, even less so.

He has a right to decide whether he should stand or sit.
He was not interrupting the proceeding. It was the mayor who made a spectacle

 

[Rikurzhen]

Oh, I think the 1st amendment activist was a dick for doing what he did.

Only, he has a right to do it.

Gunnutz should be defending this guy to the hilt.

The Mayor had the right to have him escorted out too.

Only if it is expressly written in that town's ordinances, and then, it could be easily challenged in court and would surely lose.

Next time you're in a courtroom and the judge enters the room, remain seated. Let us know how that goes.

Terrific example. What say you liberals? Why not put skin in the game, go rack up contempt of court citations and make your case there, repeatedly.

 

[initforme]

Why does he HAVE to stand? His RIGHTS were being infringed. Perhaps I will now sit next time the national anthem is played at our Friday night High school football game. I have a hard time standing but can if I feel I need to... so I may very well chose to sit. Its my RIGHT.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Oh, I think the 1st amendment activist was a dick for doing what he did.

Only, he has a right to do it.

Gunnutz should be defending this guy to the hilt.

The Mayor had the right to have him escorted out too.

Only if it is expressly written in that town's ordinances, and then, it could be easily challenged in court and would surely lose.

Next time you're in a courtroom and the judge enters the room, remain seated. Let us know how that goes.

Terrific example. What say you liberals? Why not put skin in the game, go rack up contempt of court citations and make your case there, repeatedly.

Most liberals have been in court MANY times





Criminal court.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I don't really consider that breaking news.

That good Americans want to kick Obama in the ass?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Why does he HAVE to stand? His RIGHTS were being infringed. Perhaps I will now sit next time the national anthem is played at our Friday night High school football game. I have a hard time standing but can if I feel I need to... so I may very well chose to sit. Its my RIGHT.

. And it's the right of the people around you to kick you in the ass.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Why does he HAVE to stand? His RIGHTS were being infringed. Perhaps I will now sit next time the national anthem is played at our Friday night High school football game. I have a hard time standing but can if I feel I need to... so I may very well chose to sit. Its my RIGHT.

Because he's part of a community and symbolism is very important to community cohesion. It binds us together. Pledging allegiance is such an act of symbolism. It's important to people. When you reject community with your fellow citizens those fellow citizens don't like being told to fuck off. When you tell them that they want to exclude your from community. Too bad we can't banish people for that would solve the problem. A new society can form where there exist no community ties or obligations and everyone would be happier.

 

[R.D.]

What good is a pledge if you are forced to give it?

Any pledge should by definition, be voluntary

He was asked to stand, not recite it.

The presumptive Precedence here will be a 1942 case where SCOTUS rules that school children can not be forced to stand.

The only thing now is does the Mayor have the right to kick anyone out of a council meeting who he so desires. In our town the answer is yes.

I believed they are not forced to recite the pledge. Nothing about standing

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

What good is a pledge if you are forced to give it?

Any pledge should by definition, be voluntary

He was asked to stand, not recite it.

The presumptive Precedence here will be a 1942 case where SCOTUS rules that school children can not be forced to stand.

The only thing now is does the Mayor have the right to kick anyone out of a council meeting who he so desires. In our town the answer is yes.

I believed they are not forced to recite the pledge. Nothing about standing

Incorrect, a 1942 SCOTUS ruling has settled that, you can NOT force someone to stand

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why does he HAVE to stand? His RIGHTS were being infringed. Perhaps I will now sit next time the national anthem is played at our Friday night High school football game. I have a hard time standing but can if I feel I need to... so I may very well chose to sit. Its my RIGHT.

If you did that in front of my Sister she would Patton Slap you

 

[Vandalshandle]

This kind of reminds me of when I graduated from college, in 1968. Word came down that if anyone failed to show up at the graduation ceremony, without an authorized excuse, they would not get a diploma.

It had not really occurred to me not to attend. However, it was going to be held outdoors in the August heat in Atlanta, complete with endless speeches by people I did not care about. However, having gotten the message that I would not get my diploma after five years of night classes, while working full time during the day, well, then, naturally I did not show up. Three days later I went by to pick up my diploma. They gave it to me, with a look that said, "goddamned hippie..."

I felt vindicated.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Why does he HAVE to stand? His RIGHTS were being infringed. Perhaps I will now sit next time the national anthem is played at our Friday night High school football game. I have a hard time standing but can if I feel I need to... so I may very well chose to sit. Its my RIGHT.

If you did that in front of my Sister she would Patton Slap you

What I'm saying . The Mayor here is an idiot. You don't toss him, Instead a couple of his neighbors kick his ass after the meeting.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

This kind of reminds me of when I graduated from college, in 1968. Word came down that if anyone failed to show up at the graduation ceremony, without an authorized excuse, they would not get a diploma.

It had not really occurred to me not to attend. However, it was going to be held outdoors in the August heat in Atlanta, complete with endless speeches by people I did not care about. However, having gotten the message that I would not get my diploma after five years of night classes, while working full time during the day, well, then, naturally I did not show up. Three days later I went by to pick up my diploma. They gave it to me, with a look that said, "goddamned hippie..."

I felt vindicated.

who the hell skips their graduation?

 

[Vandalshandle]

who the hell skips their graduation?

Me.

 

[Rikurzhen]

What good is a pledge if you are forced to give it?

Any pledge should by definition, be voluntary

He was asked to stand, not recite it.

The presumptive Precedence here will be a 1942 case where SCOTUS rules that school children can not be forced to stand.

The only thing now is does the Mayor have the right to kick anyone out of a council meeting who he so desires. In our town the answer is yes.

I believed they are not forced to recite the pledge. Nothing about standing

Incorrect, a 1942 SCOTUS ruling has settled that, you can NOT force someone to stand

How quaint, in this time of the President making it OK to not follow the law, you're calling on people to follow the law.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

What good is a pledge if you are forced to give it?

Any pledge should by definition, be voluntary

He was asked to stand, not recite it.

The presumptive Precedence here will be a 1942 case where SCOTUS rules that school children can not be forced to stand.

The only thing now is does the Mayor have the right to kick anyone out of a council meeting who he so desires. In our town the answer is yes.

I believed they are not forced to recite the pledge. Nothing about standing

Incorrect, a 1942 SCOTUS ruling has settled that, you can NOT force someone to stand

How quaint, in this time of the President making it OK to not follow the law, you're calling on people to follow the law.

I know, I'm crazy that way.. And Fuck Obama and his selective enforcement of laws.

 

[R.D.]

What good is a pledge if you are forced to give it?

Any pledge should by definition, be voluntary

He was asked to stand, not recite it.

The presumptive Precedence here will be a 1942 case where SCOTUS rules that school children can not be forced to stand.

The only thing now is does the Mayor have the right to kick anyone out of a council meeting who he so desires. In our town the answer is yes.

I believed they are not forced to recite the pledge. Nothing about standing

Incorrect, a 1942 SCOTUS ruling has settled that, you can NOT force someone to stand

Salute or recite. Again facts matter, 1943...

The children of the plaintiffs in the Massachusetts case – like all Americans – cannot be required to recite the Pledge or any specific part of it. That was made clear in a 1943 U.S. Supreme Court decision, West Virginia v. Barnette, in which Justice Robert Jackson wrote: “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.”

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[bodecea]

Why does he HAVE to stand? His RIGHTS were being infringed. Perhaps I will now sit next time the national anthem is played at our Friday night High school football game. I have a hard time standing but can if I feel I need to... so I may very well chose to sit. Its my RIGHT.

If you did that in front of my Sister she would Patton Slap you

And then she'd be charged with assault.