Martin Luther King was a republican shot by a Democrat

[katsteve2012]

Yep, that's because the conservatives doing that are full of shit and hypocrisy. Have you ever read about "Mr. Conservative" William F. Buckley's stances on the Civil Rights Movement during that era? Where were all of the conservatives who fought for and not against the Civil Rights movement?

Correct me if I am wrong. But as I recall, sitting around the dinner table with my elders when the Civil Rights act of 1964 was in the decision process, it was still a primarily "North and South" issue, with the south being backward in both parties.


Basically meaning that as always, the southern Democrats AND Republicans opposed the bill, and it was the liberals in BOTH parties that backed it. I was talking to an uncle of mine who is almost 90 years old now, and he emailed me the distribution of how it was voted in, and it looked like this:


The bill was supported by people in both parties, but introduced and signed into law by Democrats (JFK and LBJ). Johnson commented after signing it into law that he had just handed the southern states to the Republicans for probably the next century. Guess he was right.


Vote totals

Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

* The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
* The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
* The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

[edit] By party

The original House version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region

Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

So in retrospect, it was NOT a brownie point for conservatives, but it was the liberal side of both parties.

Your thoughts?

You are 100% correct brother! The white conservatives and black accommodationists respectively were against and wanted to slow down the Civil Rights struggle. The Liberals of this country were and are fighting for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.

Absolutely. Neither party has a badge of honor to wear as the prinary supporter of the Civil Rights initiative. It was a matter of the north versus the south.

 

[rightwinger]

Correct me if I am wrong. But as I recall, sitting around the dinner table with my elders when the Civil Rights act of 1964 was in the decision process, it was still a primarily "North and South" issue, with the south being backward in both parties.


Basically meaning that as always, the southern Democrats AND Republicans opposed the bill, and it was the liberals in BOTH parties that backed it. I was talking to an uncle of mine who is almost 90 years old now, and he emailed me the distribution of how it was voted in, and it looked like this:


The bill was supported by people in both parties, but introduced and signed into law by Democrats (JFK and LBJ). Johnson commented after signing it into law that he had just handed the southern states to the Republicans for probably the next century. Guess he was right.


Vote totals

Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

* The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
* The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
* The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

[edit] By party

The original House version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region

Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

So in retrospect, it was NOT a brownie point for conservatives, but it was the liberal side of both parties.

Your thoughts?

You are 100% correct brother! The white conservatives and black accommodationists respectively were against and wanted to slow down the Civil Rights struggle. The Liberals of this country were and are fighting for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.

Absolutely. Neither party has a badge of honor to wear as the prinary supporter of the Civil Rights initiative. It was a matter of the north versus the south.

At best it points to a time when Republicans put doing the right thing over what is best for their party.

50 years ago

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LBJ Ordered the hit on MLK

on Malcolm X too

LBJ shot JR in the shower

 

[rightwinger]

LBJ Ordered the hit on MLK

on Malcolm X too

LBJ shot JR in the shower

Damn......Lady Bird is hot!

 

[NoNukes]

"Democrats believe that their party has always been the "party of civil rights"; that theirs was the side that fought against slavery, and for equal rights, citizenship, and the right of blacks to vote, even women's suffrage. In fact, they (democrats) have been on the wrong side of every single one of these civil rights issues, and more--much more."

"The Republican Policy Committee of the United States House of Representatives, to celebrate 150 years since the founding of the Republican Party, have put together a calendar that tracks their achievements in advancing individual freedom."

"Al Franken, feeling the need to respond to the calender, yet unable to refute any of the items in the calender by factual means, resorts to childish means: he makes fun of the fact some of the dates of the achievements listed on the calender are old. Why this seems relevant to Franken, in view of the fact that the calender celebrates 150 years of achievements, is not immediately apparent. Franken's intellectual powers seldom seem more limited than they do in this opinion piece. He, unlike the rank and file of his party, is part of the misinformation machine."

*Al Franken: "Now, it is true that Republicans have been involved in civil rights issues for a century and a half. For the first 100 or so years, they were the party that was "for" civil rights.
Then they switched sides with the Democrats, and for half a century they've been more involved on the "against" side."

"The first paragraph is right, the second is what he wants you to believe; there was no switching of sides--the Democrats merely switched their rhetoric.

Everything I Know Is Wrong: History of the Republican Party

This is a stupid thread by someone not intelligent enough to admit that the political scene was different back then.

Democrats know the history of the parties, no one is denying it. Misty should try living in the present.

 

[Sallow]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

Democrats have always been populists. They've never been completely liberal. Republicans were the more liberal offshoot of the whigs.

In terms of conservativism vs. liberalism..conservatives have generally been the ones resisting change. That includes civil rights.

 

[S.J.]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

Democrats have always been populists. They've never been completely liberal. Republicans were the more liberal offshoot of the whigs.

In terms of conservativism vs. liberalism..conservatives have generally been the ones resisting change. That includes civil rights.

Democrats led filibusters against civil rights legislation both in 1957 and 1964. Strom Thurman in '57, and Bob Byrd in '64.

 

[Pheonixops]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

 

[Pheonixops]

Correct me if I am wrong. But as I recall, sitting around the dinner table with my elders when the Civil Rights act of 1964 was in the decision process, it was still a primarily "North and South" issue, with the south being backward in both parties.


Basically meaning that as always, the southern Democrats AND Republicans opposed the bill, and it was the liberals in BOTH parties that backed it. I was talking to an uncle of mine who is almost 90 years old now, and he emailed me the distribution of how it was voted in, and it looked like this:


The bill was supported by people in both parties, but introduced and signed into law by Democrats (JFK and LBJ). Johnson commented after signing it into law that he had just handed the southern states to the Republicans for probably the next century. Guess he was right.


Vote totals

Totals are in "Yea-Nay" format:

* The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
* The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
* The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

[edit] By party

The original House version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:[9]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

[edit] By party and region

Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

So in retrospect, it was NOT a brownie point for conservatives, but it was the liberal side of both parties.

Your thoughts?

You are 100% correct brother! The white conservatives and black accommodationists respectively were against and wanted to slow down the Civil Rights struggle. The Liberals of this country were and are fighting for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.

Absolutely. Neither party has a badge of honor to wear as the prinary supporter of the Civil Rights initiative. It was a matter of the north versus the south.

As well as Liberal versus conservative.

 

[poet]

"It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s."

Why Martin Luther King Was Republican | Conservative News, Views & Books


"Ray arrived in Los Angeles on November 19. While in L.A., Ray attended a local bartending school and took dance lessons. His chief interest, however, was the George Wallace presidential campaign. Ray harbored a strong prejudice against African Americans and was quickly drawn to Wallace’s segregationist platform. He spent much of his time in Los Angeles volunteering at the Wallace campaign headquarters in North Hollywood."

James Earl Ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

George Corley Wallace Jr. (August 25, 1919 – September 13, 1998) was an American politician and the 45th governor of Alabama, having served two nonconsecutive terms and two consecutive terms: 1963–1967, 1971–1979 and 1983–1987.After four runs for U.S. president (three as a Democrat).

George Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

stop telling lies. Martin Luther King, Jr. was no Republican...so says his closest confidant, Rev. Joseph Lowery, late of SCLC.

Final word: MLK no Republican | FalkenBlog | a Chron.com blog

 

[poet]

""The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. *The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: *“Segregation Forever!” *Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections."

Frequently Asked Questions | National Black Republican Association

I already refuted that notion several hundred posts ago.

 

[S.J.]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

More than any other race. You would think that with all the special laws written to give blacks an economic advantage over everyone else, there would be no need for blacks to be on welfare at all. I guess they prefer the handouts to real opportunities.

 

[poet]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

More than any other race. You would think that with all the special laws written to give blacks an economic advantage over everyone else, there would be no need for blacks to be on welfare at all. I guess they prefer the handouts to real opportunities.

Lies and sissy chatter.

 

[katsteve2012]

You are 100% correct brother! The white conservatives and black accommodationists respectively were against and wanted to slow down the Civil Rights struggle. The Liberals of this country were and are fighting for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.

Absolutely. Neither party has a badge of honor to wear as the prinary supporter of the Civil Rights initiative. It was a matter of the north versus the south.

As well as Liberal versus conservative.

That even more so. When I was growing up, I can recall the hatred that my elders had for the south, and all that it stood for back then.

To this day, I still feel uncomfortable when I have to travel to that region, in spite of the fact that a lot has changed.

 

[Pheonixops]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

More than any other race. You would think that with all the special laws written to give blacks an economic advantage over everyone else, there would be no need for blacks to be on welfare at all. I guess they prefer the handouts to real opportunities.

What percent? Answer the question. It's so typical for you people to avoid answering a question that you know will smash your ignorant assertion.

 

[Pheonixops]

Absolutely. Neither party has a badge of honor to wear as the prinary supporter of the Civil Rights initiative. It was a matter of the north versus the south.

As well as Liberal versus conservative.

That even more so. When I was growing up, I can recall the hatred that my elders had for the south, and all that it stood for back then.

To this day, I still feel uncomfortable when I have to travel to that region, in spite of the fact that a lot has changed.

Ditto! I don't mind traveling in the coastal areas dominated by the military, colleges, and tourist areas. Going inland is where I have always been pretty leery. In fact, that's where I am headed next weekend. Check out the demographics for Jasper, Georgia and think about being a mixed race Black man traveling there with your White wife to visit your in-laws. They have a highway there named after Zell Miller (check out his early platform).

 

[S.J.]

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

More than any other race. You would think that with all the special laws written to give blacks an economic advantage over everyone else, there would be no need for blacks to be on welfare at all. I guess they prefer the handouts to real opportunities.

What percent? Answer the question. It's so typical for you people to avoid answering a question that you know will smash your ignorant assertion.

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

More than any other race. You would think that with all the special laws written to give blacks an economic advantage over everyone else, there would be no need for blacks to be on welfare at all. I guess they prefer the handouts to real opportunities.

What percent? Answer the question. It's so typical for you people to avoid answering a question that you know will smash your ignorant assertion.

According to U.S. Census Bureau, about 28 percent of households that receive food stamps are African American, while 59 percent are white. According to the same report, about 78 percent of American households are white, while about 12 percent are black. (The overall population is 72.4 percent white and 12.6 percent black.) 12% of the population, 28% of the welfare. You do the math, asshole.

 

[Bfgrn]

Democrats have always been racist. They were the slave owners, then they were the segregationists who started the KKK, then they filibustered the civil rights act in '64. They finally found a way to keep blacks on the plantation - Welfare. It's been working great for 50 years now.

That's a crock of racist shit on your part. What percentage of Black people are on welfare, jerk off?

More than any other race. You would think that with all the special laws written to give blacks an economic advantage over everyone else, there would be no need for blacks to be on welfare at all. I guess they prefer the handouts to real opportunities.

Thanks for destroying the OP's premise...

 

[Bfgrn]

Presidential Vote and Party Identification of African Americans, 1956-1964

As you can see, over the course of just eight years, African American support for the Republican Party practically evaporated.

How did this happen? It can be tied directly to the acts and leadership of three men: Martin Luther King, Jr., who was the leader of the Civil Rights movement; John F. Kennedy, the nation’s president from 1961 through November, 1963, when he was assassinated; and Lyndon Baines Johnson, Kennedy’s successor as president.

Most know who Martin Luther King, Jr, was, and probably President Kennedy as well; President Johnson, although pivotal in the passage of civil rights laws, is undoubtedly the lesser known and least revered among these three historical figures.

But they were all key players in eliminating segregation and legalized discrimination in the South.

How these three men were linked in changing the face of African American politics:

In October of 1960, less then three weeks before the presidential election, Martin Luther King Jr., already recognized as Black America’s most prominent civil rights leader, had been arrested in Georgia on a traffic technicality: he was still using his Alabama license, although by then he had lived in Georgia for three months.

A swift series of moves by the state’s segregationist power structure resulted in King being sentenced to four months of hard labor on a Georgia chain gang. He was quickly spirited away to the state’s maximum security prison, and many of his supporters, fearing for his life, urgently called both the Nixon and Kennedy camps for help.

Nixon, about to campaign in South Carolina in hopes of capturing the state’s normally solid Democratic vote, took no action. Kennedy took swift action. He made a brief telephone call to a frantic Coretta Scott King, speaking in soothing generalities and telling her, “If there’s anything I can do to help, please feel free to call on me.”

It’s likely that Kennedy did not at that moment realize the political implications of that call. Ever the pragmatist, he had resisted the pleas of several aides throughout the campaign that he take bolder public stands on civil rights issues. The telephone call came because one aide caught him late at night after a hard day of campaigning and staff meetings as he was about to turn in. The aide, Harris Wofford, pitched it as just a call to calm King’s fearful spouse. Kennedy replied, “What the hell. That’s a decent thing to do. Why not? Get her on the phone.”

King was soon released, unharmed, due to a groundswell of pressure directed by blacks and whites in numerous quarters toward Georgia officials (Robert F. Kennedy himself, who was managing his brother’s campaign called the judge who sentenced King to prison). At the time, the white media paid little attention to the call, which suited the Kennedys fine. But it likely transformed the black vote. King’s father, Martin Luther King Sr., a dominating, fire-and-brimstone preacher with wide influence throughout Black America, had, like many black Southerners, always been a Republican and until that moment had said he couldn’t vote for Kennedy because he was a Catholic.

(But) the day his son was released from prison, the elder King thundered from the pulpit of his famed Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta: “I had expected to vote against Senator Kennedy because of his religion. But now he can be my president, Catholic or whatever he is… He has the moral courage to stand up for what he knows is right. I’ve got all my votes and I’ve got a suitcase, and I’m going to take them up there and dump them in his lap.”

Why Do Blacks Vote for Democrats? MLK, JFK, and LBJ

 

[rightwinger]

Presidential Vote and Party Identificaiton of African Americans, 1956-1964

As you can see, over the course of just eight years, African American support for the Republican Party practically evaporated.

How did this happen? It can be tied directly to the acts and leadership of three men: Martin Luther King, Jr., who was the leader of the Civil Rights movement; John F. Kennedy, the nation’s president from 1961 through November, 1963, when he was assassinated; and Lyndon Baines Johnson, Kennedy’s successor as president.

Most know who Martin Luther King, Jr, was, and probably President Kennedy as well; President Johnson, although pivotal in the passage of civil rights laws, is undoubtedly the lesser known and least revered among these three historical figures.

But they were all key players in eliminating segregation and legalized discrimination in the South.

How these three men were linked in changing the face of African American politics:

In October of 1960, less then three weeks before the presidential election, Martin Luther King Jr., already recognized as Black America’s most prominent civil rights leader, had been arrested in Georgia on a traffic technicality: he was still using his Alabama license, although by then he had lived in Georgia for three months.

A swift series of moves by the state’s segregationist power structure resulted in King being sentenced to four months of hard labor on a Georgia chain gang. He was quickly spirited away to the state’s maximum security prison, and many of his supporters, fearing for his life, urgently called both the Nixon and Kennedy camps for help.

Nixon, about to campaign in South Carolina in hopes of capturing the sate’s normally solid Democratic vote, took no action. Kennedy took swift action. He made a brief telephone call to a frantic Coretta Scott King, speaking in soothing generalities and telling her, “If there’s anything I can do to help, please feel free to call on me.”

It’s likely that Kennedy did not at that moment realize the political implications of that call. Ever the pragmatist, he had resisted the pleas of several aides throughout the campaign that he take bolder public stands on civil rights issues. The telephone call came because one aide caught him late at night after a hard day of campaigning and staff meetings as he was about to turn in. The aide, Harris Wofford, pitched it as just a call to calm King’s fearful spouse. Kennedy replied, “What the hell. That’s a decent thing to do. Why not? Get her on the phone.”

King was soon released, unharmed, due to a groundswell of pressure directed by blacks and whites in numerous quarters toward Georgia officials (Robert F. Kennedy himself, who was managing his brother’s campaign called the judge who sentenced King to prison). At the time, the white media paid little attention to the call, which suited the Kennedys fine. But it likely transformed the black vote. King’s father, Martin Luther King Sr., a dominating, fire-and-brimstone preacher with wide influence throughout Black America, had, like many black Southerners, always been a Republican and until that moment had said he couldn’t vote for Kennedy because he was a Catholic.

(But) the day his son was released from prison, the elder King thundered from the pulpit of his famed Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta: “I had expected to vote against Senator Kennedy because of his religion. But now he can be my president, Catholic or whatever he is… He has the moral courage to stand up for what he knows is right. I’ve got all my votes and I’ve got a suitcase, and I’m going to take them up there and dump them in his lap.”

Why Do Blacks Vote for Democrats? MLK, JFK, and LBJ

Great post