Mass shooting in France at magazine that published Mohammed cartoons

[Mineva]

Al-Qaeda group linked to Paris attack

Exclusive - Paris attack suspect met prominent al Qaeda preacher in Yemen - intelligence source Reuters

yemen alqaeda training..

So they are trained Al-Q membes but they cant even kill one police or soldier in 50 hours after the attack but they choose to hide in a "Kosher" market. For Hollywood's sake !

 

[Sunni Man]

So they are trained Al-Q membes but they cant even kill one police or soldier in 50 hours after the attack but they choose to hide in a "Kosher" market. For Hollywood's sake !

The whole event was an Israeli/Mossad staged operation. .....

 

[Mineva]

The whole event was an Israeli/Mossad staged operation. .....

The good side is they cant fool people as easy as it used to be after 9 -11 hoax. Haters still gonna hate but logical people is wakin up.

 

[Roudy]

Mc Veigh did not kill in the name of Jesus.

If you want to be delusional about the linkage between Islam and terrorism by using these false comparisons and isolated events, go ahead. You're only fooling yourself.

In other words you are blinded by your own hatred and therefore have disqualified yourself from being capable of defining terrorism in any meaningful manner. Have a nice day.

Ah but you see but I have been to Muslim countries and know plenty of Muslims. So I think I am more qualified than you ever could be.

You too.

I have grown up with them, I work with them on a daily basis and have them as neighbors.

Taking a side trip to Egypt on your way to Israel doesn't count for very much.

Growing up with Westernized Muslims doesn't count. They are totally different than what exists abroad.

Why do you erroneously assume that I grew up with "Westernized Muslims"?

You met them and grew up with them here, didn't you? If they grew up in the West that makes them Westernized.

Why do you erroneously assume that nobody knows about Muslims and their culture based on your own limited personal experience?

 

[Roudy]

So they are trained Al-Q membes but they cant even kill one police or soldier in 50 hours after the attack but they choose to hide in a "Kosher" market. For Hollywood's sake !

The whole event was an Israeli/Mossad staged operation. .....

There ya go. The mentality of a "true Muslim" at it's finest. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Roudy]

The whole event was an Israeli/Mossad staged operation. .....

The good side is they cant fool people as easy as it used to be after 9 -11 hoax. Haters still gonna hate but logical people is wakin up.

Yeah, people sure are waking up, to the reality of what Islam that is. They are beginning to realize it isn't as peaceful and tolerant as they've been told by their liberal, leftist, delusional leaders.

 

[Derideo_Te]

In other words you are blinded by your own hatred and therefore have disqualified yourself from being capable of defining terrorism in any meaningful manner. Have a nice day.

Ah but you see but I have been to Muslim countries and know plenty of Muslims. So I think I am more qualified than you ever could be.

You too.

I have grown up with them, I work with them on a daily basis and have them as neighbors.

Taking a side trip to Egypt on your way to Israel doesn't count for very much.

Growing up with Westernized Muslims doesn't count. They are totally different than what exists abroad.

Why do you erroneously assume that I grew up with "Westernized Muslims"?

You met them and grew up with them here, didn't you? If they grew up in the West that makes them Westernized.

Why do you erroneously assume that nobody knows about Muslims and their culture based on your own limited personal experience?

BZZZT Wrong! I grew up overseas. Once again your fallacious assumptions expose your ignorance. It wasn't only Muslims that I grew up with either.

 

[Roudy]

Al-Qaeda group linked to Paris attack

Exclusive - Paris attack suspect met prominent al Qaeda preacher in Yemen - intelligence source Reuters

yemen alqaeda training..

So they are trained Al-Q membes but they cant even kill one police or soldier in 50 hours after the attack but they choose to hide in a "Kosher" market. For Hollywood's sake !

They attacked the Kosher market because you can't be a true Muslim without being an intolerant anti semitic pig, can you?

 

[hipeter924]

Wrong again d-bag, the crusades started because of Muslim invasions into Christian Europe. Muslims drew first blood. Had there been no Muslim invasions, there wouldn't have been any crusades.

Um, no, they didn't. In fact, the expansion into Spain (which is like on the other side of Europe from where the Crusades happened) had been halted hundreds of years before. The Crusades happened because even though Muslims had taken over the "Holy Land" centuries before, Some Pope decided he needed to up his street cred by declaring a "Crusade" to take them back.

Of course, at the time of the Crusades, the Islamic world had science and medicine and Christian Europe was burning cats and Jews every time there was a plague. (I kind of feel bad about the cats.)

^^^^^
Spoken like a true "Muslim".

Had the Muslims not initially invaded the holy land and Western Europe, the crusades would have never occurred.

History of the Crusades

"Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, theSeljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war. Why did they do it? The answer to that question has been badly misunderstood. In the wake of the Enlightenment, it was usually asserted that Crusaders were merely lacklands and ne'er-do-wells who took advantage of an opportunity to rob and pillage in a faraway land. The Crusaders' expressed sentiments of piety, self-sacrifice, and love for God were obviously not to be taken seriously. They were only a front for darker designs.


Urban II gave the Crusaders two goals, both of which would remain central to the eastern Crusades for centuries. The first was to rescue the Christians of the East. As his successor, Pope Innocent III, later wrote:

How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbor as himself when, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held by the perfidious Muslims in strict confinement and weighed down by the yoke of heaviest servitude, he does not devote himself to the task of freeing them? ...Is it by chance that you do not know that many thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the Muslims, tortured with innumerable torments?

"Crusading," Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith has rightly argued, was understood as an "an act of love"—in this case, the love of one's neighbor. The Crusade was seen as an errand of mercy to right a terrible wrong. As Pope Innocent III wrote to the Knights Templar, "You carry out in deeds the words of the Gospel, 'Greater love than this hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friends.'"

The second goal was the liberation of Jerusalem and the other places made holy by the life of Christ. The word crusade is modern. Medieval Crusaders saw themselves as pilgrims, performing acts of righteousness on their way to the Holy Sepulcher. The Crusade indulgence they received was canonically related to the pilgrimage indulgence. This goal was frequently described in feudal terms. When calling the Fifth Crusade in 1215, Innocent III wrote:

Consider most dear sons, consider carefully that if any temporal king was thrown out of his domain and perhaps captured, would he not, when he was restored to his pristine liberty and the time had come for dispensing justice look on his vassals as unfaithful and traitors...unless they had committed not only their property but also their persons to the task of freeing him? ...And similarly will not Jesus Christ, the king of kings and lord of lords, whose servant you cannot deny being, who joined your soul to your body, who redeemed you with the Precious Blood...condemn you for the vice of ingratitude and the crime of infidelity if you neglect to help Him?

"

We defeated the Islamic empires by the late 19th century, and the Muslim fanatics (some of which made ISIS) have been wanting a new caliphate ever since.

Back then it was a post-enlightenment industrialized Europe, against Muslim societies that hadn't advanced or industrialized. The Ottoman Empire was the exception, but was kicked out of Europe through slow attrition.

After European imperialism ended and the Muslim empires became nation-states, most turned into monarchies or military dictatorships with some form of Muslim law.

Naturally some Muslims hate the status quo, and Al Qaeda represent one of those radical breakaway factions. They hate the modern world, and that their governments endorse trade and friendship with western states.

 

[Roudy]

Ah but you see but I have been to Muslim countries and know plenty of Muslims. So I think I am more qualified than you ever could be.

You too.

I have grown up with them, I work with them on a daily basis and have them as neighbors.

Taking a side trip to Egypt on your way to Israel doesn't count for very much.

Growing up with Westernized Muslims doesn't count. They are totally different than what exists abroad.

Why do you erroneously assume that I grew up with "Westernized Muslims"?

You met them and grew up with them here, didn't you? If they grew up in the West that makes them Westernized.

Why do you erroneously assume that nobody knows about Muslims and their culture based on your own limited personal experience?

BZZZT Wrong! I grew up overseas. Once again your fallacious assumptions expose your ignorance. It wasn't only Muslims that I grew up with either.

So? I grew up in a Muslim country and my background is from two Muslim countries.

Anybody who wants to know the "real" experience of living and growing up with Muslims, should talk to a non Muslim minority who has escaped that country. There's plenty of non Muslim expats living in the US, they'll fill you in.

 

[Roudy]

Wrong again d-bag, the crusades started because of Muslim invasions into Christian Europe. Muslims drew first blood. Had there been no Muslim invasions, there wouldn't have been any crusades.

Um, no, they didn't. In fact, the expansion into Spain (which is like on the other side of Europe from where the Crusades happened) had been halted hundreds of years before. The Crusades happened because even though Muslims had taken over the "Holy Land" centuries before, Some Pope decided he needed to up his street cred by declaring a "Crusade" to take them back.

Of course, at the time of the Crusades, the Islamic world had science and medicine and Christian Europe was burning cats and Jews every time there was a plague. (I kind of feel bad about the cats.)

^^^^^
Spoken like a true "Muslim".

Had the Muslims not initially invaded the holy land and Western Europe, the crusades would have never occurred.

History of the Crusades

"Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, theSeljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war. Why did they do it? The answer to that question has been badly misunderstood. In the wake of the Enlightenment, it was usually asserted that Crusaders were merely lacklands and ne'er-do-wells who took advantage of an opportunity to rob and pillage in a faraway land. The Crusaders' expressed sentiments of piety, self-sacrifice, and love for God were obviously not to be taken seriously. They were only a front for darker designs.


Urban II gave the Crusaders two goals, both of which would remain central to the eastern Crusades for centuries. The first was to rescue the Christians of the East. As his successor, Pope Innocent III, later wrote:

How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbor as himself when, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held by the perfidious Muslims in strict confinement and weighed down by the yoke of heaviest servitude, he does not devote himself to the task of freeing them? ...Is it by chance that you do not know that many thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the Muslims, tortured with innumerable torments?

"Crusading," Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith has rightly argued, was understood as an "an act of love"—in this case, the love of one's neighbor. The Crusade was seen as an errand of mercy to right a terrible wrong. As Pope Innocent III wrote to the Knights Templar, "You carry out in deeds the words of the Gospel, 'Greater love than this hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friends.'"

The second goal was the liberation of Jerusalem and the other places made holy by the life of Christ. The word crusade is modern. Medieval Crusaders saw themselves as pilgrims, performing acts of righteousness on their way to the Holy Sepulcher. The Crusade indulgence they received was canonically related to the pilgrimage indulgence. This goal was frequently described in feudal terms. When calling the Fifth Crusade in 1215, Innocent III wrote:

​

Consider most dear sons, consider carefully that if any temporal king was thrown out of his domain and perhaps captured, would he not, when he was restored to his pristine liberty and the time had come for dispensing justice look on his vassals as unfaithful and traitors...unless they had committed not only their property but also their persons to the task of freeing him? ...And similarly will not Jesus Christ, the king of kings and lord of lords, whose servant you cannot deny being, who joined your soul to your body, who redeemed you with the Precious Blood...condemn you for the vice of ingratitude and the crime of infidelity if you neglect to help Him?

"

We defeated the Islamic empires by the late 19th century, and the Muslim fanatics (some of which made ISIS) have been wanting a new caliphate ever since.

Back then it was a post-enlightenment industrialized Europe, against Muslim societies that hadn't advanced or industrialized. The Ottoman Empire was the exception, but was kicked out of Europe through slow attrition.

After European imperialism ended and the Muslim empires became nation-states, most turned into monarchies or military dictatorships with some form of Muslim law.

Naturally some Muslims hate the status quo, and Al Qaeda represent one of those radical breakaway factions. They hate the modern world, and that their governments endorse trade and friendship with western states.

Yes, they want their Caliphate back, and want to drag the entire world back to the medieval ages, by using fear and intimidation as their primary method.

 

[Sunni Man]

They attacked the Kosher market because you can't be a true Muslim without being an intolerant anti semitic pig, can you?

Just because the disgruntled Frenchman held hostages in a Kosher market doesn't mean his actions were anti-semitic. ....

 

[depotoo]

I guess the 3 officers they killed don't count in your world...
Al-Qaeda claims responsibility for Paris terror attack San Diego 6 Local News
CAIRO (AP) -- A member of al-Qaida's branch in Yemen says the group directed the attack against the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris "as revenge for the honor" of Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

Al-Qaeda group linked to Paris attack

Exclusive - Paris attack suspect met prominent al Qaeda preacher in Yemen - intelligence source Reuters

yemen alqaeda training..

So they are trained Al-Q membes but they cant even kill one police or soldier in 50 hours after the attack but they choose to hide in a "Kosher" market. For Hollywood's sake !

 

[Roudy]

At the core of this is Islam is a religion. People who practice Islam, I do not care to what extent, even to the smallest extent, worships, let me repeat that, worships, a deity. The Islamic deity says to take over the world and kill anyone who gets in your way. That is what this deity wants you to do. So every time a Muslim reads his book or listens to the sermons or even thinks on the matter he is being influenced by a deity that wants to kill to rule the world. Actually all he really cares about is being greater than God, what does he want with the world anyway? The world, or virgins, are just carrots to those who will listen.

Islam unlike other faiths is Arab Imperialism at its core, a political movement and a way of life. If you look at the countries that are "Islamic" today, they are all countries that Arab hoards invaded, forced Islam, Shariah law, and Arab language, history, and culture down their throats at the point of the sword.

 

[hipeter924]

Wrong again d-bag, the crusades started because of Muslim invasions into Christian Europe. Muslims drew first blood. Had there been no Muslim invasions, there wouldn't have been any crusades.

Um, no, they didn't. In fact, the expansion into Spain (which is like on the other side of Europe from where the Crusades happened) had been halted hundreds of years before. The Crusades happened because even though Muslims had taken over the "Holy Land" centuries before, Some Pope decided he needed to up his street cred by declaring a "Crusade" to take them back.

Of course, at the time of the Crusades, the Islamic world had science and medicine and Christian Europe was burning cats and Jews every time there was a plague. (I kind of feel bad about the cats.)

^^^^^
Spoken like a true "Muslim".

Had the Muslims not initially invaded the holy land and Western Europe, the crusades would have never occurred.

History of the Crusades

"Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, theSeljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war. Why did they do it? The answer to that question has been badly misunderstood. In the wake of the Enlightenment, it was usually asserted that Crusaders were merely lacklands and ne'er-do-wells who took advantage of an opportunity to rob and pillage in a faraway land. The Crusaders' expressed sentiments of piety, self-sacrifice, and love for God were obviously not to be taken seriously. They were only a front for darker designs.


Urban II gave the Crusaders two goals, both of which would remain central to the eastern Crusades for centuries. The first was to rescue the Christians of the East. As his successor, Pope Innocent III, later wrote:

How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbor as himself when, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held by the perfidious Muslims in strict confinement and weighed down by the yoke of heaviest servitude, he does not devote himself to the task of freeing them? ...Is it by chance that you do not know that many thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the Muslims, tortured with innumerable torments?

"Crusading," Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith has rightly argued, was understood as an "an act of love"—in this case, the love of one's neighbor. The Crusade was seen as an errand of mercy to right a terrible wrong. As Pope Innocent III wrote to the Knights Templar, "You carry out in deeds the words of the Gospel, 'Greater love than this hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friends.'"

The second goal was the liberation of Jerusalem and the other places made holy by the life of Christ. The word crusade is modern. Medieval Crusaders saw themselves as pilgrims, performing acts of righteousness on their way to the Holy Sepulcher. The Crusade indulgence they received was canonically related to the pilgrimage indulgence. This goal was frequently described in feudal terms. When calling the Fifth Crusade in 1215, Innocent III wrote:

​

Consider most dear sons, consider carefully that if any temporal king was thrown out of his domain and perhaps captured, would he not, when he was restored to his pristine liberty and the time had come for dispensing justice look on his vassals as unfaithful and traitors...unless they had committed not only their property but also their persons to the task of freeing him? ...And similarly will not Jesus Christ, the king of kings and lord of lords, whose servant you cannot deny being, who joined your soul to your body, who redeemed you with the Precious Blood...condemn you for the vice of ingratitude and the crime of infidelity if you neglect to help Him?

"

We defeated the Islamic empires by the late 19th century, and the Muslim fanatics (some of which made ISIS) have been wanting a new caliphate ever since.

Back then it was a post-enlightenment industrialized Europe, against Muslim societies that hadn't advanced or industrialized. The Ottoman Empire was the exception, but was kicked out of Europe through slow attrition.

After European imperialism ended and the Muslim empires became nation-states, most turned into monarchies or military dictatorships with some form of Muslim law.

Naturally some Muslims hate the status quo, and Al Qaeda represent one of those radical breakaway factions. They hate the modern world, and that their governments endorse trade and friendship with western states.

Yes, they want their Caliphate back, and want to drag the entire world back to the medieval ages, by using fear and intimidation as their primary method.

Yep, the Saudi royal family especially would prefer it if they all left and died out. No one likes them back home, so they come to the west where they can preach hate and violence in naively 'tolerant' western states like the UK or France.

 

[Sunni Man]

Islam unlike other faiths is Arab Imperialism at its core, a political movement and a way of life. If you look at the countries that are "Islamic" today, they are all countries that Arab hoards invaded, forced Islam, Shariah law, and Arab language, history, and culture down their throats at the point of the sword.

Does that include the largest and most populous muslim country Indonesia which was never invaded by arabs but became Islamic thru trade? ....

(same with Malaysia)

 

[hipeter924]

At the core of this is Islam is a religion. People who practice Islam, I do not care to what extent, even to the smallest extent, worships, let me repeat that, worships, a deity. The Islamic deity says to take over the world and kill anyone who gets in your way. That is what this deity wants you to do. So every time a Muslim reads his book or listens to the sermons or even thinks on the matter he is being influenced by a deity that wants to kill to rule the world. Actually all he really cares about is being greater than God, what does he want with the world anyway? The world, or virgins, are just carrots to those who will listen.

Islam unlike other faiths is Arab Imperialism at its core, a political movement and a way of life. If you look at the countries that are "Islamic" today, they are all countries that Arab hoards invaded, forced Islam, Shariah law, and Arab language, history, and culture down their throats at the point of the sword.

Ironically though, despite them being repressive societies by western standards that practice some form of Islamic (often Sharia) law, it still isn't enough for the fanatics that built ISIS or Al Qaeda. They want to tear down civilization, ban all music and lash or stone everyone that likes to live in the modern world.

 

[Roudy]

Islam unlike other faiths is Arab Imperialism at its core, a political movement and a way of life. If you look at the countries that are "Islamic" today, they are all countries that Arab hoards invaded, forced Islam, Shariah law, and Arab language, history, and culture down their throats at the point of the sword.

Does that include the largest and most populous muslim country Indonesia which was never invaded by arabs but became Islamic thru trade? ....

(same with Malaysia)

No but that does include the 95% of countries that Arabs invaded and made Islamic by force, murdering over 280 million people in the name of Mohammad in the process of acquiring these nations, you deceptive Mooooslem you.

 

[Roudy]

At the core of this is Islam is a religion. People who practice Islam, I do not care to what extent, even to the smallest extent, worships, let me repeat that, worships, a deity. The Islamic deity says to take over the world and kill anyone who gets in your way. That is what this deity wants you to do. So every time a Muslim reads his book or listens to the sermons or even thinks on the matter he is being influenced by a deity that wants to kill to rule the world. Actually all he really cares about is being greater than God, what does he want with the world anyway? The world, or virgins, are just carrots to those who will listen.

Islam unlike other faiths is Arab Imperialism at its core, a political movement and a way of life. If you look at the countries that are "Islamic" today, they are all countries that Arab hoards invaded, forced Islam, Shariah law, and Arab language, history, and culture down their throats at the point of the sword.

Ironically though, despite them being repressive societies by western standards that practice some form of Islamic (often Sharia) law, it still isn't enough for the fanatics that built ISIS or Al Qaeda. They want to tear down civilization, ban all music and lash or stone everyone that likes to live in the modern world.

First Muslims must invade and destroy a nation, it's history, identity, religion, and culture, then they can impose Shariah on the survivors and those who are willing to submit.

That's why Islam means submission.

 

[Roudy]

Wrong again d-bag, the crusades started because of Muslim invasions into Christian Europe. Muslims drew first blood. Had there been no Muslim invasions, there wouldn't have been any crusades.

Um, no, they didn't. In fact, the expansion into Spain (which is like on the other side of Europe from where the Crusades happened) had been halted hundreds of years before. The Crusades happened because even though Muslims had taken over the "Holy Land" centuries before, Some Pope decided he needed to up his street cred by declaring a "Crusade" to take them back.

Of course, at the time of the Crusades, the Islamic world had science and medicine and Christian Europe was burning cats and Jews every time there was a plague. (I kind of feel bad about the cats.)

^^^^^
Spoken like a true "Muslim".

Had the Muslims not initially invaded the holy land and Western Europe, the crusades would have never occurred.

History of the Crusades

"Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, theSeljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war. Why did they do it? The answer to that question has been badly misunderstood. In the wake of the Enlightenment, it was usually asserted that Crusaders were merely lacklands and ne'er-do-wells who took advantage of an opportunity to rob and pillage in a faraway land. The Crusaders' expressed sentiments of piety, self-sacrifice, and love for God were obviously not to be taken seriously. They were only a front for darker designs.


Urban II gave the Crusaders two goals, both of which would remain central to the eastern Crusades for centuries. The first was to rescue the Christians of the East. As his successor, Pope Innocent III, later wrote:

How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbor as himself when, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held by the perfidious Muslims in strict confinement and weighed down by the yoke of heaviest servitude, he does not devote himself to the task of freeing them? ...Is it by chance that you do not know that many thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the Muslims, tortured with innumerable torments?

"Crusading," Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith has rightly argued, was understood as an "an act of love"—in this case, the love of one's neighbor. The Crusade was seen as an errand of mercy to right a terrible wrong. As Pope Innocent III wrote to the Knights Templar, "You carry out in deeds the words of the Gospel, 'Greater love than this hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friends.'"

The second goal was the liberation of Jerusalem and the other places made holy by the life of Christ. The word crusade is modern. Medieval Crusaders saw themselves as pilgrims, performing acts of righteousness on their way to the Holy Sepulcher. The Crusade indulgence they received was canonically related to the pilgrimage indulgence. This goal was frequently described in feudal terms. When calling the Fifth Crusade in 1215, Innocent III wrote:

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Consider most dear sons, consider carefully that if any temporal king was thrown out of his domain and perhaps captured, would he not, when he was restored to his pristine liberty and the time had come for dispensing justice look on his vassals as unfaithful and traitors...unless they had committed not only their property but also their persons to the task of freeing him? ...And similarly will not Jesus Christ, the king of kings and lord of lords, whose servant you cannot deny being, who joined your soul to your body, who redeemed you with the Precious Blood...condemn you for the vice of ingratitude and the crime of infidelity if you neglect to help Him?

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We defeated the Islamic empires by the late 19th century, and the Muslim fanatics (some of which made ISIS) have been wanting a new caliphate ever since.

Back then it was a post-enlightenment industrialized Europe, against Muslim societies that hadn't advanced or industrialized. The Ottoman Empire was the exception, but was kicked out of Europe through slow attrition.

After European imperialism ended and the Muslim empires became nation-states, most turned into monarchies or military dictatorships with some form of Muslim law.

Naturally some Muslims hate the status quo, and Al Qaeda represent one of those radical breakaway factions. They hate the modern world, and that their governments endorse trade and friendship with western states.

Yes, they want their Caliphate back, and want to drag the entire world back to the medieval ages, by using fear and intimidation as their primary method.

Yep, the Saudi royal family especially would prefer it if they all left and died out. No one likes them back home, so they come to the west where they can preach hate and violence in naively 'tolerant' western states like the UK or France.

The Saudi Royals aren't that religious and mostly after wealth and power. However, they are indeed "keepers" of the "cradle of Islam" and it's two holiest sites, Mecca and Medina. They are dealing with a very religious population, and millions of Muslims who do yearly religious pilgrimage into that country. So there's a delicate balance they must strike. Therefore the radicalism that is exported, I don't believe is coming from the Saudi King and his cronies, but the extended royal family (there are 5000 Saudi "princes") and powerful and wealthy Saudi businessmen and clerics.