Maybe I was right about Trump and the Democrats

[jc456]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

The term centrist is a joke.

For example, Trump only 10 years ago wanted to run as a democrat and have Oprah run as his VP. Some racist, huh. Now look how radical the Left is, the only place for him is the GOP, if even that.

The government has been radicalized, so centrists are part of this radicalization, not the solution to it.

but, he did win as an independent under the GOP party. he did it in a way to win, and he won!!! genius in my book. perot merely muddied waters.

But he hasn't changed the party. His polices have not been legislatively enacted, and Pence and Haley are vying to be next. Even with BushI, there was no role back of Reagan's taxes, and the gop became the party that ended Keynesian economics.

I agree, not sure how to get rid of swamp creatures when they are the ones with the reigns. he's trying, he's exposed them, the GOP and the DEMs. Each party is not out for the well being of their constituents, if they were, they would recognize that the majority of people who vote, voted trump into office. Instead they call people deplorable, racist, homophobic, shit almost any name they can concoct. Meanwhile americans are being invaded by illegals, and the congress does absolutely nothing. Nothing, amazing to me how they shit on the people. Trump exposed that!!!!! elections have consequences a very good saying.

 

[Votto]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

 

[bendog]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

He's not a conservative. He's blown the debt and out alliances. That's not a diss, he did what he set out to do

 

[jc456]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:
Post 10:
Post 72:

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

He's not a conservative. He's blown the debt and out alliances. That's not a diss, he did what he set out to do

no one has ever been concerned with the debt, to call him out is hilarious.

 

[bendog]

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

He's not a conservative. He's blown the debt and out alliances. That's not a diss, he did what he set out to do

no one has ever been concerned with the debt, to call him out is hilarious.

Really. The gop was never concerned with the debt? Really. Do you want a lifeline on this one?

 

[jc456]

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

He's not a conservative. He's blown the debt and out alliances. That's not a diss, he did what he set out to do

no one has ever been concerned with the debt, to call him out is hilarious.

Really. The gop was never concerned with the debt? Really. Do you want a lifeline on this one?

anyone can talk the talk, when it comes time to walk the walk, nope.

 

[bendog]

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

He's not a conservative. He's blown the debt and out alliances. That's not a diss, he did what he set out to do

no one has ever been concerned with the debt, to call him out is hilarious.

Really. The gop was never concerned with the debt? Really. Do you want a lifeline on this one?

anyone can talk the talk, when it comes time to walk the walk, nope.

to be fair to the gop, W put it in the shitter. Before then, we had bipartisan pressure to restrain deficits.

 

[The Original Tree]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:
Post 10:
Post 72:

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.

Hopefully Trump has driven home the notion that conservatives need to fight.

People may not agree with how he does it, but at least he is doing it.

It's like the US taking on the National Socialists during WW2. There were questionable tactics, like using nukes on Japan, but at least they were fighting those fascists.

He's not a conservative. He's blown the debt and out alliances. That's not a diss, he did what he set out to do

Obama Blew Other Men, and You were his biggest fan.