McCain - Jane Fonda Acted Within Her Constitutional Rights?

[S.J.]

He's a fucking liberal, that's what's wrong with him.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Jane Fonda ended up giving aid and comfort to what is now a most favored trading partner.

I note a distinct lack of fallen dominos, folks.

Repeating it over and over does not make it true.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What in God's name was McCain thinking??




Jane Fonda

A.K.A.

*Hanoi Jane




Background of Jane Fonda's Anti-War Activities

While American Soldiers were fighting and dying in the Vietnam War, Jane Fonda, the daughter of Henry Fonda, was using her money and influence at colleges and universities to gather support to advocate communism and encourage rebellion and anarchy against the United States Government.**

On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism. " Washington Times July 7, 2000

Jane Fonda began her participation in anti-war activities around 1967, allegedly after meeting with Communists while in France and with American citizens who were revolutionaries.** Her activities included active participation in demonstrations, rallies, radio broadcasts and plays.**

Jane Fonda also helped in the organization of a production group called the F.T.A. (F*** The Army).* This group helped to set up coffee houses near military bases where they would perform anti-war derogatory-type sketches for the visiting soldiers.* The coffee-house sketches were intended to counterpoint the U.S.O. shows, such as Bob Hope and other U.S.O. sponsored performers whose performances increased* morale and gave positive support to American soldiers.** Some of the F.T.A. coffee house employees would mingle with the soldiers to help them to "relax and unwind", while encouraging the soldiers to desert.** Some soldiers alleged that they were promised jobs and money by the F.T.A.* if they deserted.**

The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization received major financial support from Jane Fonda.* Jane Fonda's F.T.A. coffee houses helped in recruiting soldiers and veterans for the Vietnam Veterans Against The War Organization.** The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization membership was approximately 7,000 at it's highest.* The Organization's membership number was comparatively low, when you consider that more than 2 1/2 million Americans served during the Vietnam* war.***

Jane Fonda personally sought out returning American soldiers from Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts.* North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her broadcasts.*

In 1972 Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden and others traveled to North Vietnam to give their support to the North Vietnamese's Government.* When she returned to the United States, she advised the news media that all of the American Prisoners of War were being well treated and were not being tortured.*

As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.* Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of 1972.** Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for refusing to meet with groups such as Jane Fonda's.* Jane Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."**

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975.* During the interview* Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory.* Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy"* referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets.* He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement."*

Source?

 

[JakeStarkey]

He's a fucking liberal, that's what's wrong with him.

McCain is no liberal and you are merely a frothing reactionary, a person without political merit.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"'I must say that the use of Jane Fonda's name does evoke certain memories with me, and I must say that she is not my favorite American."

How many civilians did Jane murder, maim, or displace?

Rand Paul's Filibuster Belittled By John McCain As 'Simply False'

None but after we get past all the rhetoric and mythology surrounding this, the real point is that the First Amendment applies to those with whom we disagree as welll as those we worship.

It is repugnant to me to see someone as dishonest as Ted Cruz in any office, Rand Paul makes my skin crawl, I despise the KKK but I will fight for their right to be the assholes they are.

Fonda broke no laws. She did not "aid and abet" the enemy. She stated her opinion. That was and still is her right and the rw nutters would do well to support that right rather than continue the lies about her.

 

[Misty]

The Vietnam war lasted 20 years through four presidents.


Nov. *1955
April 1975

Eisenhower*
Kennedy*
Johnson
Nixon

But during Jane fonda's famous radio speech she only blames Nixon.

She wasn't against war. She was against Nixon. And her action during that time did hurt the morale of the soldiers.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Vietnam war lasted 20 years through four presidents.


Nov. *1955
April 1975

Eisenhower*
Kennedy*
Johnson
Nixon

But during Jane fonda's famous radio speech she only blames Nixon.

She wasn't against war. She was against Nixon. And her action during that time did hurt the morale of the soldiers.

Not true but, for the sake of conversation, let's say it is true.

So what?

Should we give up our Constitutional right just because we might hurt someone's feelings?

BTW, its not just a right. The Constitution states that its an obligation.

 

[Sunni Man]

Whether Jane Fonda was naive, stupid, or disloyal, is moot.

She broke no laws and was on the right side of history.........

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

McCain and Graham are spot on.

No, they're making total asses of themselves. The Paul filibuster Wednesday night resonated with people on both sides of the aisle, including a few Hollywood celebrities known to be "liberals."

I'll bet more people watched CSPAN Wednesday than in the entire past year combined.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Misty is right about Fonda, and LN is right about free speech.

I despise the nonsense that a bigrebnc or some others put out, but it is their right. The fact they would try to stop our free speech only makes the principle stronger.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Vietnam war lasted 20 years through four presidents.


Nov. *1955
April 1975

Eisenhower*
Kennedy*
Johnson
Nixon

But during Jane fonda's famous radio speech she only blames Nixon.

She wasn't against war. She was against Nixon. And her action during that time did hurt the morale of the soldiers.

Not true but, for the sake of conversation, let's say it is true.

So what?

Should we give up our Constitutional right just because we might hurt someone's feelings?

BTW, its not just a right. The Constitution states that its an obligation.

The problem is she actually traveled over to Vietnam, met with the VC, and according to some former military personal, allegedly witnessed her engaging in some treasonous activity.

What ever she said or did here on our soil was certainly well within her rights.

 

[JakeStarkey]

McCain and Graham are spot on.

No, they're making total asses of themselves. The Paul filibuster Wednesday night resonated with people on both sides of the aisle, including a few Hollywood celebrities known to be "liberals."

I'll bet more people watched CSPAN Wednesday than in the entire past year combined.

McCain and Graham are part of the dialogue. Most people will come away more educated because of the reaction to the filibuster. Rand did not win any more supporters but perhaps elevated his image a minor bit in the eye of the public.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Vietnam war lasted 20 years through four presidents.


Nov. *1955
April 1975

Eisenhower*
Kennedy*
Johnson
Nixon

But during Jane fonda's famous radio speech she only blames Nixon.

She wasn't against war. She was against Nixon. And her action during that time did hurt the morale of the soldiers.

Not true but, for the sake of conversation, let's say it is true.

So what?

Should we give up our Constitutional right just because we might hurt someone's feelings?

BTW, its not just a right. The Constitution states that its an obligation.

The problem is she actually traveled over to Vietnam, met with the VC, and according to some former military personal, allegedly witnessed her engaging in some treasonous activity.

What ever she said or did here on our soil was certainly well within her rights.

That's the right wing, email chain letter twist on it. And, the rw's never tire of adding to the story before they forward it on.

No, she did not meet with the VC.
No, she did not "engage in some treasonous activity.

 

[KudoZ]

Jane Fonda is a hemorroid on the ass of every Vietnam Veteran. You want it to go away but it keeps coming back.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Not true but, for the sake of conversation, let's say it is true.

So what?

Should we give up our Constitutional right just because we might hurt someone's feelings?

BTW, its not just a right. The Constitution states that its an obligation.

The problem is she actually traveled over to Vietnam, met with the VC, and according to some former military personal, allegedly witnessed her engaging in some treasonous activity.

What ever she said or did here on our soil was certainly well within her rights.

That's the right wing, email chain letter twist on it. And, the rw's never tire of adding to the story before they forward it on.

No, she did not meet with the VC.
No, she did not "engage in some treasonous activity.

You were there?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

McCain and Graham are spot on.

No, they're making total asses of themselves. The Paul filibuster Wednesday night resonated with people on both sides of the aisle, including a few Hollywood celebrities known to be "liberals."

I'll bet more people watched CSPAN Wednesday than in the entire past year combined.

McCain and Graham are part of the dialogue. Most people will come away more educated because of the reaction to the filibuster. Rand did not win any more supporters but perhaps elevated his image a minor bit in the eye of the public.

I disagree. Rand may not have won more supporters in the Senate, but he certainly did among the people. How long that lasts, of course, is a different story.

As for Graham, my personal opinion is he just wrote his own obituary in next year's election. Folks in South Carolina have already been rather irritated with him. It was already a certainty he would have a primary challenger and after this stunt I think he's finished.

 

[Pogo]

The problem is she actually traveled over to Vietnam, met with the VC, and according to some former military personal, allegedly witnessed her engaging in some treasonous activity.

What ever she said or did here on our soil was certainly well within her rights.

That's the right wing, email chain letter twist on it. And, the rw's never tire of adding to the story before they forward it on.

No, she did not meet with the VC.
No, she did not "engage in some treasonous activity.

You were there?

C'mon folks, these e-mail myths are easily debunked.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, they're making total asses of themselves. The Paul filibuster Wednesday night resonated with people on both sides of the aisle, including a few Hollywood celebrities known to be "liberals."

I'll bet more people watched CSPAN Wednesday than in the entire past year combined.

McCain and Graham are part of the dialogue. Most people will come away more educated because of the reaction to the filibuster. Rand did not win any more supporters but perhaps elevated his image a minor bit in the eye of the public.

I disagree. Rand may not have won more supporters in the Senate, but he certainly did among the people. How long that lasts, of course, is a different story.

As for Graham, my personal opinion is he just wrote his own obituary in next year's election. Folks in South Carolina have already been rather irritated with him. It was already a certainty he would have a primary challenger and after this stunt I think he's finished.

I don't think so but time will tell.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

That's the right wing, email chain letter twist on it. And, the rw's never tire of adding to the story before they forward it on.

No, she did not meet with the VC.
No, she did not "engage in some treasonous activity.

You were there?

C'mon folks, these e-mail myths are easily debunked.

Good deal. It was a story I heard a long time ago. Nonetheless, she still visited and fraternized with the enemy.

I, for one, think we should have never been in Vietnam in the first place, but in any case, her actions overseas were problematic.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You were there?

C'mon folks, these e-mail myths are easily debunked.

Good deal. It was a story I heard a long time ago. Nonetheless, she still visited and fraternized with the enemy.

I, for one, think we should have never been in Vietnam in the first place, but in any case, her actions overseas were problematic.

Yes.