McDonalds' Higher Wages = Higher Sales...

[Ray From Cleveland]

McDonald's has changed their mind. Now, they are taking the position that they are doing their employees a favor by not increasing their wages, because a wage increase will cause them to use more automation.

...as if they would not automate if the employees didn't demand a raise....

They may not. It depends on what the costs of investing in robots, maintenance, repair are compared to human labor.

Remember that when you increase wages, you are increasing other costs for employers. They have to pay a higher unemployment insurance premium, a higher workman's compensation premium. They have to pay the increase in their matching Social Security and Medicare contributions the employee made. They have to pay for increased costs for vacation and holiday pay if applicable.

It may not sound like a lot, but when you multiply all those costs by dozens of employees, it really adds up. That's not to mention the new burden of Commie Care that they are now forced to deal with.

It's what we call the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's a big mistake celebrating more Americans out of work. Greedy white Republican dudes especially, should be very worried. More Americans relying on Government assistance to live, means more tax hikes. Greedy white Republican dudes haven't thought this one through. They've allowed their hate & greed to cloud their judgement.

Then the solution is not a higher minimum wage, the solution is to drastically cut down on government goodies. If we did that, more of these minimum wage workers would seek better opportunity instead of the comfort of a liberal baby blanket.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We'll see. But even if so, i wouldn't be celebrating more Americans out of work. You greedy white Republicans dudes already think you're paying too much taxes. More Americans out of work, means more folks relying on Government assistance to survive. Y'all are gonna pay much more in the end. I'd rather see Americans working and being productive Citizens. We all benefit from that.

So what do you suppose eliminates jobs? That's right, employees demanding too much money to do monkey jobs.

Where are our jobs lost? Unions demanding too much money.
Where are our jobs lost? Automation stemming from employees demanding too much money.
Where are our jobs lost? Government assuming business is an endless source of money.

That's where all our jobs went, and you think the solution is to make it more costly for companies to do business in this country?

 

[NYcarbineer]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

 

[Vandalshandle]

McDonald's has already announced that they are automating the ordering process. It is all over the internet. Trying to scare people about losing jobs, due to rising wages, that are going to be lost anyway, is a tactic that corporations have been using against labor all my life. The auto industry used to threaten this against unions, long before manufacturers like Kia and Hyundai built auto plants in the South that are non union, and as fully automated as today's technology allows.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

By what, force of government?

Why is it a "privilege" to do business in America, yet not a "privilege" to work in America?

There is no privilege either way. Nobody is forcing a person to accept a job for less wages than desired, nor should anybody force employers to pay a wage less than desired.

 

[Redfish]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

yes, Mr. Marx, now go sit back down and shut up.

 

[martybegan]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

As usual, an empty statement full of mush and pixie dust, from one of the more empty minds on this message board.

 

[martybegan]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

yes, Mr. Marx, now go sit back down and shut up.

Actually they only go 1/2 Marx, because they don't expect the people to work up to the level of their abilities, and I'm talking about potential, not their current level of abilities.

 

[Redfish]

McDonald's has already announced that they are automating the ordering process. It is all over the internet. Trying to scare people about losing jobs, due to rising wages, that are going to be lost anyway, is a tactic that corporations have been using against labor all my life. The auto industry used to threaten this against unions, long before manufacturers like Kia and Hyundai built auto plants in the South that are non union, and as fully automated as today's technology allows.

the workers at the non-union car factories in the south are doing just fine. Good pay, good benefits and secure jobs.

Mercedes, Honda, BMW, Toyota, VW, Hyundai, Subaru, Kia, et. al.

While the union shops in Detroit-------------------------needed a taxpayer bailout to survive (or actually for the UAW to survive and keep flowing money to the DNC)

 

[martybegan]

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

By what, force of government?

Why is it a "privilege" to do business in America, yet not a "privilege" to work in America?

There is no privilege either way. Nobody is forcing a person to accept a job for less wages than desired, nor should anybody force employers to pay a wage less than desired.

He's just stuck with the progressives mind set that everything flows from the government to the people, not the actual way it is supposed to work, from the people to the government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

As usual, an empty statement full of mush and pixie dust, from one of the more empty minds on this message board.

Would you like to see Chinese wages here?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

By what, force of government?

Why is it a "privilege" to do business in America, yet not a "privilege" to work in America?

There is no privilege either way. Nobody is forcing a person to accept a job for less wages than desired, nor should anybody force employers to pay a wage less than desired.

He's just stuck with the progressives mind set that everything flows from the government to the people, not the actual way it is supposed to work, from the people to the government.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

By what, force of government?

Why is it a "privilege" to do business in America, yet not a "privilege" to work in America?

There is no privilege either way. Nobody is forcing a person to accept a job for less wages than desired, nor should anybody force employers to pay a wage less than desired.

Yes by force of government. The People have the constitutional right to put demands on companies doing business in the US.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

By what, force of government?

Why is it a "privilege" to do business in America, yet not a "privilege" to work in America?

There is no privilege either way. Nobody is forcing a person to accept a job for less wages than desired, nor should anybody force employers to pay a wage less than desired.

He's just stuck with the progressives mind set that everything flows from the government to the people, not the actual way it is supposed to work, from the people to the government.

The People are the government, idiot.

 

[Vandalshandle]

McDonald's has already announced that they are automating the ordering process. It is all over the internet. Trying to scare people about losing jobs, due to rising wages, that are going to be lost anyway, is a tactic that corporations have been using against labor all my life. The auto industry used to threaten this against unions, long before manufacturers like Kia and Hyundai built auto plants in the South that are non union, and as fully automated as today's technology allows.

the workers at the non-union car factories in the south are doing just fine. Good pay, good benefits and secure jobs.

Mercedes, Honda, BMW, Toyota, VW, Hyundai, Subaru, Kia, et. al.

While the union shops in Detroit-------------------------needed a taxpayer bailout to survive (or actually for the UAW to survive and keep flowing money to the DNC)

i guess that I don't know why you quoted me, since your post had nothing to do with my point about employers threatening labor with lost jobs because of higher wages, when they have every intention of replacing them with robots, with, or without higher wages.

 

[Redfish]

McDonald's has already announced that they are automating the ordering process. It is all over the internet. Trying to scare people about losing jobs, due to rising wages, that are going to be lost anyway, is a tactic that corporations have been using against labor all my life. The auto industry used to threaten this against unions, long before manufacturers like Kia and Hyundai built auto plants in the South that are non union, and as fully automated as today's technology allows.

the workers at the non-union car factories in the south are doing just fine. Good pay, good benefits and secure jobs.

Mercedes, Honda, BMW, Toyota, VW, Hyundai, Subaru, Kia, et. al.

While the union shops in Detroit-------------------------needed a taxpayer bailout to survive (or actually for the UAW to survive and keep flowing money to the DNC)

i guess that I don't know why you quoted me, since your post had nothing to do with my point about employers threatening labor with lost jobs because of higher wages, when they have every intention of replacing them with robots, with, or without higher wages.

you mentioned the non union car factories in the south, I was just supporting what you said.

 

[Wyatt earp]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

As usual, an empty statement full of mush and pixie dust, from one of the more empty minds on this message board.

Would you like to see Chinese wages here?

We have had this conversation several times, I am getting worked about you, seek a doctor immediately you may have dementia .


http://www.economist.com/node/21549956

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This thread still makes me laugh.

 

[Rustic]

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Rightwingers/Republicans will deny, deny, deny - but the proof is in the puddin'.


Fortune.com: McDonald's CEO Says Better Worker Benefits Boosting U.S. Sales
by Phil Wahba
April 22, 2016, 3:19 PM EDT

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“The improvements we made to our compensation and benefits package to employees in U.S.-company operated restaurants, along with expanding Archways to Opportunity … have resulted in lower crew turnover and higher customers satisfaction scores,” Easterbrook said.

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Higher minimum wage for starter jobs = higher costs for poor people. Fuck nut

 

[Wyatt earp]

An honest day's worker no matter how menial deserves respect and the minimum wage is just one way society can voice its respect for such a worker.

It's sad how conservatives not only demean poor people who don't work,

they find a way to demean poor people who do.

Who is demeaning them?

It's not societies obligation to respect a worker, it's the employer that does that, just like it's the employer that pays such workers.

When are you on the left going to show the same respect for the person(s) who worked to create capital to open the business, to respect him or her for the sacrifices they make for their business, to respect them for the jobs they provide regardless how much they are able to pay?

Respect goes both ways. Most small businesses fail in this country, yet never hear any outcry from the left for those people.

The privilege of doing business in America should be accompanied by the obligation to pay decent wages.

As usual, an empty statement full of mush and pixie dust, from one of the more empty minds on this message board.

Would you like to see Chinese wages here?

We have had this conversation several times, I am getting worked about you, seek a doctor immediately you may have dementia .


http://www.economist.com/node/21549956

The Wage Gap Between the U.S. and China Continues to Narrow