Medical bills #1 reason for bankruptcy

[Hutch Starskey]

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at such a small percent of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That’s absurd. Shouldn’t we expect more from the world’s most expensive hc system?

Of course we should, but let me tell you, people come from all over the world to get our healthcare. As a patient at the Cleveland Clinic, I can testify that when you go to their main campus downtown, you are the person who feels like a foreigner. Our healthcare quality is the best, but it's also the most expensive.

I doubt it’s the best any longer. It may still be for the wealthy, who can afford the best care. It’s not a fair system, but I suspect you don’t care about fairness.

Obviously Ray can. He’s being treated there.

 

[pknopp]

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at only .4% of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

Hedge funds using our health as a hedge is a part of the problem.

 

[whitehall]

Allowing the federal government to confiscate money (at the point of a gun) from everyone to offer sub-standard health care including illegal aliens is a bad idea. The government is the worst choice for health care.

Why shouldn't we want to make sure that those processing our food and caring for our kids are healthy?

Don't we already do that?

 

[pknopp]

Allowing the federal government to confiscate money (at the point of a gun) from everyone to offer sub-standard health care including illegal aliens is a bad idea. The government is the worst choice for health care.

Why shouldn't we want to make sure that those processing our food and caring for our kids are healthy?

Don't we already do that?

Not as far as I know. Well outside of the E.R. All the same, why shouldn't the businesses hiring these people be on the hook for the costs at least in part?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Obama care does nothing but pile money into insurance company coffers...that's all it ever did.

Coverage. Of course it makes possible for people who could not previously afford it to have coverage. That gives you protection from bills that cause bankruptcy. Not the opposite.

Millions can still not afford the co-pays and deductibles. Absolutely nothing on the cost side was addressed. Sadly the Democrats still won't address this. They seem to prefer on running on "Trump bad" still as opposed to what they have planned to do about health care costs.

A lot of cost drivers were addressed. Coverage was expanded. Both in Medicaid and personal plans. Those are folks that would have previously be indigent or fall into bankruptcy.

It was never meant to fix everything. Hell, the Dems can’t even get buy in from the Repubs to wear masks during a global pandemic that has killed 600k Americans without it being called Marxist or tyranny. Good luck getting them to tackle the healthcare that they hid from while in power. What happened to repeal and replace?

Nothing was addressed on cost side.

I will note that the (D)'s might have had an easier time with masks if the guy pushing them wasn't playing both sides of the aisle.

That is just factually wrong. Simply having more people covered contributes to lower or at least slower cost growth.

BTW… there’s nothing political about wearing a mask. At least there shouldn’t be.

If there is nothing political then you shouldn't have made a political point about it.

I simply pointed to those who did make it political. That was the point. The politics surrounding healthcare on the right is absolutely toxic. Keep blaming the Dems though. Maybe they should start trying to dismantle the ACA while chanting “ repeal and replace”!

 

[pknopp]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Obama care does nothing but pile money into insurance company coffers...that's all it ever did.

Coverage. Of course it makes possible for people who could not previously afford it to have coverage. That gives you protection from bills that cause bankruptcy. Not the opposite.

Millions can still not afford the co-pays and deductibles. Absolutely nothing on the cost side was addressed. Sadly the Democrats still won't address this. They seem to prefer on running on "Trump bad" still as opposed to what they have planned to do about health care costs.

A lot of cost drivers were addressed. Coverage was expanded. Both in Medicaid and personal plans. Those are folks that would have previously be indigent or fall into bankruptcy.

It was never meant to fix everything. Hell, the Dems can’t even get buy in from the Repubs to wear masks during a global pandemic that has killed 600k Americans without it being called Marxist or tyranny. Good luck getting them to tackle the healthcare that they hid from while in power. What happened to repeal and replace?

Nothing was addressed on cost side.

I will note that the (D)'s might have had an easier time with masks if the guy pushing them wasn't playing both sides of the aisle.

That is just factually wrong. Simply having more people covered contributes to lower or at least slower cost growth.

BTW… there’s nothing political about wearing a mask. At least there shouldn’t be.

If there is nothing political then you shouldn't have made a political point about it.

I simply pointed to those who did make it political. That was the point. The politics surrounding healthcare on the right is absolutely toxic. Keep blaming the Dems though. Maybe they should start trying to dismantle the ACA while chanting “ repeal and replace”!

I am clearly blaming BOTH parties. I believe the only way we ever get to what is needed, something like Medicare for all only happens after we get rid of Obamacare.

 

[struth]

gipper not really...life isn’t fair

obviously if someone is good at what they do and have high demand for their skill..why shouldn’t they be able to charge more? how is it fair for you to tell them they can’t?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at only .4% of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

Hedge funds using our health as a hedge is a part of the problem.

How about just discuss my point rather than be an ass.
Obviously a hedge fund has nothing to do with a not for profit.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Obama care does nothing but pile money into insurance company coffers...that's all it ever did.

Coverage. Of course it makes possible for people who could not previously afford it to have coverage. That gives you protection from bills that cause bankruptcy. Not the opposite.

Millions can still not afford the co-pays and deductibles. Absolutely nothing on the cost side was addressed. Sadly the Democrats still won't address this. They seem to prefer on running on "Trump bad" still as opposed to what they have planned to do about health care costs.

A lot of cost drivers were addressed. Coverage was expanded. Both in Medicaid and personal plans. Those are folks that would have previously be indigent or fall into bankruptcy.

It was never meant to fix everything. Hell, the Dems can’t even get buy in from the Repubs to wear masks during a global pandemic that has killed 600k Americans without it being called Marxist or tyranny. Good luck getting them to tackle the healthcare that they hid from while in power. What happened to repeal and replace?

Nothing was addressed on cost side.

I will note that the (D)'s might have had an easier time with masks if the guy pushing them wasn't playing both sides of the aisle.

That is just factually wrong. Simply having more people covered contributes to lower or at least slower cost growth.

BTW… there’s nothing political about wearing a mask. At least there shouldn’t be.

If there is nothing political then you shouldn't have made a political point about it.

I simply pointed to those who did make it political. That was the point. The politics surrounding healthcare on the right is absolutely toxic. Keep blaming the Dems though. Maybe they should start trying to dismantle the ACA while chanting “ repeal and replace”!

I am clearly blaming BOTH parties. I believe the only way we ever get to what is needed, something like Medicare for all only happens after we get rid of Obamacare.

The ACA does not prevent Congress from acting. The filibuster and Republican intransigence does.

 

[pknopp]

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at only .4% of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

Hedge funds using our health as a hedge is a part of the problem.

How about just discuss my point rather than be an ass.
Obviously a hedge fund has nothing to do with a not for profit.

In general we do not have not for profits in health care. For a Hedge Fund manager to make 9 million, that's millions of dollars extra people are paying for their health care costs, not to mention all the others invested into it.

 

[pknopp]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Obama care does nothing but pile money into insurance company coffers...that's all it ever did.

Coverage. Of course it makes possible for people who could not previously afford it to have coverage. That gives you protection from bills that cause bankruptcy. Not the opposite.

Millions can still not afford the co-pays and deductibles. Absolutely nothing on the cost side was addressed. Sadly the Democrats still won't address this. They seem to prefer on running on "Trump bad" still as opposed to what they have planned to do about health care costs.

A lot of cost drivers were addressed. Coverage was expanded. Both in Medicaid and personal plans. Those are folks that would have previously be indigent or fall into bankruptcy.

It was never meant to fix everything. Hell, the Dems can’t even get buy in from the Repubs to wear masks during a global pandemic that has killed 600k Americans without it being called Marxist or tyranny. Good luck getting them to tackle the healthcare that they hid from while in power. What happened to repeal and replace?

Nothing was addressed on cost side.

I will note that the (D)'s might have had an easier time with masks if the guy pushing them wasn't playing both sides of the aisle.

That is just factually wrong. Simply having more people covered contributes to lower or at least slower cost growth.

BTW… there’s nothing political about wearing a mask. At least there shouldn’t be.

If there is nothing political then you shouldn't have made a political point about it.

I simply pointed to those who did make it political. That was the point. The politics surrounding healthcare on the right is absolutely toxic. Keep blaming the Dems though. Maybe they should start trying to dismantle the ACA while chanting “ repeal and replace”!

I am clearly blaming BOTH parties. I believe the only way we ever get to what is needed, something like Medicare for all only happens after we get rid of Obamacare.

The ACA does not prevent Congress from acting. The filibuster and Republican intransigence does.

Obama blowing HUGE majorities in 2010 had a lot to do with that. Democrats aren't any more interested in controlling costs than Republicans are.

Should I note that Cory Booker led the crusade to stop people from accessing lower prescription meds out of Canada?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at only .4% of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

Hedge funds using our health as a hedge is a part of the problem.

How about just discuss my point rather than be an ass.
Obviously a hedge fund has nothing to do with a not for profit.

In general we do not have not for profits in health care. For a Hedge Fund manager to make 9 million, that's millions of dollars extra people are paying for their health care costs, not to mention all the others invested into it.

Huh?
Please tell me that is not your understanding of what I posted.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Obama care does nothing but pile money into insurance company coffers...that's all it ever did.

Coverage. Of course it makes possible for people who could not previously afford it to have coverage. That gives you protection from bills that cause bankruptcy. Not the opposite.

Millions can still not afford the co-pays and deductibles. Absolutely nothing on the cost side was addressed. Sadly the Democrats still won't address this. They seem to prefer on running on "Trump bad" still as opposed to what they have planned to do about health care costs.

A lot of cost drivers were addressed. Coverage was expanded. Both in Medicaid and personal plans. Those are folks that would have previously be indigent or fall into bankruptcy.

It was never meant to fix everything. Hell, the Dems can’t even get buy in from the Repubs to wear masks during a global pandemic that has killed 600k Americans without it being called Marxist or tyranny. Good luck getting them to tackle the healthcare that they hid from while in power. What happened to repeal and replace?

Nothing was addressed on cost side.

I will note that the (D)'s might have had an easier time with masks if the guy pushing them wasn't playing both sides of the aisle.

That is just factually wrong. Simply having more people covered contributes to lower or at least slower cost growth.

BTW… there’s nothing political about wearing a mask. At least there shouldn’t be.

If there is nothing political then you shouldn't have made a political point about it.

I simply pointed to those who did make it political. That was the point. The politics surrounding healthcare on the right is absolutely toxic. Keep blaming the Dems though. Maybe they should start trying to dismantle the ACA while chanting “ repeal and replace”!

I am clearly blaming BOTH parties. I believe the only way we ever get to what is needed, something like Medicare for all only happens after we get rid of Obamacare.

The ACA does not prevent Congress from acting. The filibuster and Republican intransigence does.

Obama blowing HUGE majorities in 2010 had a lot to do with that. Democrats aren't any more interested in controlling costs than Republicans are.

Should I note that Cory Booker led the crusade to stop people from accessing lower prescription meds out of Canada?

WTF?
The Dems passed healthcare reform, fool.

 

[pknopp]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Obama care does nothing but pile money into insurance company coffers...that's all it ever did.

Coverage. Of course it makes possible for people who could not previously afford it to have coverage. That gives you protection from bills that cause bankruptcy. Not the opposite.

Millions can still not afford the co-pays and deductibles. Absolutely nothing on the cost side was addressed. Sadly the Democrats still won't address this. They seem to prefer on running on "Trump bad" still as opposed to what they have planned to do about health care costs.

A lot of cost drivers were addressed. Coverage was expanded. Both in Medicaid and personal plans. Those are folks that would have previously be indigent or fall into bankruptcy.

It was never meant to fix everything. Hell, the Dems can’t even get buy in from the Repubs to wear masks during a global pandemic that has killed 600k Americans without it being called Marxist or tyranny. Good luck getting them to tackle the healthcare that they hid from while in power. What happened to repeal and replace?

Nothing was addressed on cost side.

I will note that the (D)'s might have had an easier time with masks if the guy pushing them wasn't playing both sides of the aisle.

That is just factually wrong. Simply having more people covered contributes to lower or at least slower cost growth.

BTW… there’s nothing political about wearing a mask. At least there shouldn’t be.

If there is nothing political then you shouldn't have made a political point about it.

I simply pointed to those who did make it political. That was the point. The politics surrounding healthcare on the right is absolutely toxic. Keep blaming the Dems though. Maybe they should start trying to dismantle the ACA while chanting “ repeal and replace”!

I am clearly blaming BOTH parties. I believe the only way we ever get to what is needed, something like Medicare for all only happens after we get rid of Obamacare.

The ACA does not prevent Congress from acting. The filibuster and Republican intransigence does.

Obama blowing HUGE majorities in 2010 had a lot to do with that. Democrats aren't any more interested in controlling costs than Republicans are.

Should I note that Cory Booker led the crusade to stop people from accessing lower prescription meds out of Canada?

WTF?
The Dems passed healthcare reform, fool.

They passed the Insurance and Pharmaceutical profit program.

 

[JustAGuy1]

pknopp

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at only .4% of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

Hedge funds using our health as a hedge is a part of the problem.

How about just discuss my point rather than be an ass.
Obviously a hedge fund has nothing to do with a not for profit.

In general we do not have not for profits in health care. For a Hedge Fund manager to make 9 million, that's millions of dollars extra people are paying for their health care costs, not to mention all the others invested into it.

We absolutely do, those companies make their money off of their holdings, not the Insurance itself. The Company I work for has sent rebates out to the members 2 years in a row now.

 

[gipper]

gipper not really...life isn’t fair

obviously if someone is good at what they do and have high demand for their skill..why shouldn’t they be able to charge more? how is it fair for you to tell them they can’t?

Your point isn’t applicable. I’m not telling anyone what they can charge.

Clearly you must see the injustice in our HC system. If you don’t, we can’t communicate.

 

[pknopp]

pknopp

pknopp
Which would be worse? Government run or privately run?

Based on the care my grandparents received I would say the government run shit is worse.

We can vote to change the government but there`s nothing we can do with the $9 million dollar a year CEO of a healthcare company.

UPMC CEO Jeffrey Romoff's salary rises to $8.96 million

29 UPMC employees receive compensation in excess of $1 million

www.post-gazette.com

A $21b healthcare company. I honestly don’t see this as a problem. Certainly his salary is not responsible for the cost of healthcare at only .4% of revenue. What should a guy who runs a $21b healthcare company earn? How about a $21b hedge fund ceo?

Hedge funds using our health as a hedge is a part of the problem.

How about just discuss my point rather than be an ass.
Obviously a hedge fund has nothing to do with a not for profit.

In general we do not have not for profits in health care. For a Hedge Fund manager to make 9 million, that's millions of dollars extra people are paying for their health care costs, not to mention all the others invested into it.

We absolutely do, those companies make their money off of their holdings, not the Insurance itself. The Company I work for has sent rebates out to the members 2 years in a row now.

They are leeches to the system. We should not be hedging our bets off the backs of people's health.

 

[whitehall]

Allowing the federal government to confiscate money (at the point of a gun) from everyone to offer sub-standard health care including illegal aliens is a bad idea. The government is the worst choice for health care.

Why shouldn't we want to make sure that those processing our food and caring for our kids are healthy?

Don't we already do that?

Not as far as I know. Well outside of the E.R. All the same, why shouldn't the businesses hiring these people be on the hook for the costs at least in part?

The businesses are on the hook for certifying the health of workers in critical industries. As a matter of fact the medical plans are pretty good. The question is why the rest of us should be on the hook in our old age for somebody else's medical problems. Along with a government takeover of the medical system comes government run Med schools with graduates who can't put a sentence together but literally have your life in their hands. Congress will exempt itself while the rest of us stand in line forever.

 

[Godboy]

Should medical bills be the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the "greatest" country on Earth? I think the article put it best.

Medical debt is a 'uniquely American problem' caused by a 'very broken' system, expert explains

A uniquely American problem. And before anyone points out that this is still going on even after Obamacare, I NEVER supported Obamacare.

Why would you think protection from bankruptsy should be an inalienable right?