Member of gay community: children need both a dad and a mom

[bodecea]

It truly is sad that gay couples would elect to knowingly put their child/children in a position to have to put up with the embarrassment and humiliation of having gays as parents.

Imagine what it must be like for a child to go to, lets say, their schools open house, and while 99.9% of the children are introducing their mommy's and daddy's, the child of the gays have to introduce their mommy and mommy, or daddy and daddy.

In many ways, it's a form of child abuse....Particularly psychological abuse.

And the sad thing is, besides the embarrassment and humiliation, is that these gay couples do it for no other reason than to advance their perverted agenda.

And the above is why we have the 14th Amendment and its case law, to protect Americans from this very hate and ignorance.

And DOMA is in place to stop that particular abuse of the 14th Amendment.

Not for long.

 

[P@triot]

You're right, its not big government to want to massively expand our prison system as well as our foster care system to include the 8 million children who are currently living with an unemployed parent but will now be raised by the state, and make room for the extra 10 million plus inmates once you criminalize being an unemployed parent.

Nah, no big government there.

If they are living with the parent, then they are not in foster care. Hence (as usual) your entire analogy doesn't apply.

Do try and follow along next time....

Wait. What?

Are you now saying you want to make having your children in foster care illegal?

You believe society should be forced to provide for the children of irresponsible parents.

I believe the irresponsible parents should be forced to take care of their own children.

It goes way beyond foster care:

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need food stamps for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even feed your own children) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the food for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government housing for you and your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even provide a roof over your child's head) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the housing for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government to pay for healthcare for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even pay for your own children to see a doctor) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the healthcare for your child

Stop playing stupid because you hate this non-communist solution to a problem and you have no intelligent response.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It truly is sad that gay couples would elect to knowingly put their child/children in a position to have to put up with the embarrassment and humiliation of having gays as parents.

Imagine what it must be like for a child to go to, lets say, their schools open house, and while 99.9% of the children are introducing their mommy's and daddy's, the child of the gays have to introduce their mommy and mommy, or daddy and daddy.

In many ways, it's a form of child abuse....Particularly psychological abuse.

And the sad thing is, besides the embarrassment and humiliation, is that these gay couples do it for no other reason than to advance their perverted agenda.

And the above is why we have the 14th Amendment and its case law, to protect Americans from this very hate and ignorance.

And DOMA is in place to stop that particular abuse of the 14th Amendment.

How is preventing discrimination predicated on hate and ignorance an ‘abuse’ of the 14th Amendment?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If they are living with the parent, then they are not in foster care. Hence (as usual) your entire analogy doesn't apply.

Do try and follow along next time....

Wait. What?

Are you now saying you want to make having your children in foster care illegal?

You believe society should be forced to provide for the children of irresponsible parents.

I believe the irresponsible parents should be forced to take care of their own children.

It goes way beyond foster care:

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need food stamps for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even feed your own children) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the food for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government housing for you and your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even provide a roof over your child's head) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the housing for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government to pay for healthcare for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even pay for your own children to see a doctor) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the healthcare for your child

Stop playing stupid because you hate this non-communist solution to a problem and you have no intelligent response.

lol

And how exactly will the state force irresponsible parents to be responsible?

Or are minor children now responsible for their irresponsible parents.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I saw a documentry on Netflix called Absent. It is about how many children that are growing up with no male father figure in their household and how it is destroying this country . Many boys grow up and dont know how to be a man because they never had one in their household.. It is worth the watch

What does that have anything to do with the thread topic?

 

[Intense]

But his own experience as a parent revealed to him that children need a mom and a dad, and that marriage is ultimately about putting the needs of children before the desires of adults.

In a recent article at Public Discourse titled “I’m Gay and I Oppose Same-Sex Marriage,” Mainwaring makes the bold claim that: "To be fully formed, children need to be free to generously receive from and express affection to parents of both genders. Genderless marriages deny this fullness".

Mainwaring is also clear on what influenced his thinking about marriage: “Neither religion nor tradition has played a significant role in forming my stance. But reason and experience certainly have.”

Openly Gay Adoptive Parent Opposes Same-Sex Marriage

Of course it is ideal. Still, there are plenty of single parents out there. Then there are examples like deployed Military. It is what it is. People step in to fill the voids when they can.

 

[Intense]

I saw a documentry on Netflix called Absent. It is about how many children that are growing up with no male father figure in their household and how it is destroying this country . Many boys grow up and dont know how to be a man because they never had one in their household.. It is worth the watch

What does that have anything to do with the thread topic?

Both Male and Female influences are important in a child's life.

 

[Montrovant]

If they are living with the parent, then they are not in foster care. Hence (as usual) your entire analogy doesn't apply.

Do try and follow along next time....

Wait. What?

Are you now saying you want to make having your children in foster care illegal?

You believe society should be forced to provide for the children of irresponsible parents.

I believe the irresponsible parents should be forced to take care of their own children.

It goes way beyond foster care:

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need food stamps for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even feed your own children) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the food for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government housing for you and your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even provide a roof over your child's head) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the housing for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government to pay for healthcare for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even pay for your own children to see a doctor) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the healthcare for your child

Stop playing stupid because you hate this non-communist solution to a problem and you have no intelligent response.

Where is the money coming from to pay these neglectful parents? Seeing as in your scenario, they are prisoners, wouldn't it be taxpayer money which would pay the inmate parents? So, would that mean you are advocating taking other people's money at the point of a gun to pay for the children of irresponsible parents?

 

[Crackerjaxon]

And the above is why we have the 14th Amendment and its case law, to protect Americans from this very hate and ignorance.

And DOMA is in place to stop that particular abuse of the 14th Amendment.

How is preventing discrimination predicated on hate and ignorance an ‘abuse’ of the 14th Amendment?

What discrimination? Is the law not being applied equally in all states?

Have you taken leave of your senses?

 

[RDD_1210]

I don't know the exact statistics - why? What does that have to do with anything?

So should children living in divorced single family households be taken away from their parents since they aren't growing up with that "traditional" experience?

What kind of argument does it make for gay marriage if you can only compare it to failed heterosexual marriages?

What does it say for your education level that this is the best response you could muster for my statement?

 

[RDD_1210]

I don't know the exact statistics - why? What does that have to do with anything?

So should children living in divorced single family households be taken away from their parents since they aren't growing up with that "traditional" experience?

I'm sorry - does being divorced suddenly mean that the child no longer has a mom and a dad? Does one parent spontaneously combust? Do aliens come and beam up one parent?

So should single mothers without a father anywhere in their childs life should have their child taken away?

 

[P@triot]

This makes no sense, as usual.

The vast majority of liberals are Christian, and even more believe in god.

Every anti-religious organization is comprised of liberals. You would be hard-pressed to find even the smallest handful of conservatives in organizations such as this:

Home - Freedom From Religion Foundation
Annie Laurie Gaylor (born in Tomah, Wisconsin on 2 November 1955) is co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation and, with her husband Dan Barker, is the current co-president.[1] She is a self-described feminist and liberal.

Liberals have and are members of loving families, families they work to keep safe and happy.

Liberals have destroyed the family. They support any and all forms of dysfunctional activities (gay marriage, infidelity, abortion, etc.) and they usurp its functions with government run programs.

Liberals are members of the economic community, they have jobs, make investments, and plan for retirement; they work hard every day along with millions of other Americans contributing to a strong and growing economy.

I could go on all day about how absurd this statement is, but I'll let indisputable video do all of the talking...

[ame=http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio]Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://youtu.be/KRgB2eeHZEw]Your Higher Taxes pay for My healthcare thanks President Obama Healthcare Reform - GloZell - YouTube[/ame]

This is not the exception - this is the liberal. They don't work, they sure as hell don't save for retirement (they believe society should pay for their retirement), and the only thing they "invest" in is their narcotics.

And liberals are members of society, they pay taxes, vote in elections, go to church, school, work, and attend high school reunions, just like every other American; through their efforts they contribute to a secure and prosperous society.

Yep - they are "members of society". Sadly, the society liberals have created is a degraded, disgusting mess of debauchery, drugs, and disease. Take a look for yourself:

The zombietime Hall of Shame

They are consequently considered a ‘cancer’ only by irrational people, partisan hacks blinded by ignorance, hate, and dogma.

While you continue to make shit up, I continue to prove you wrong with facts backed up with links.

 

[P@triot]

So should children living in divorced single family households be taken away from their parents since they aren't growing up with that "traditional" experience?

I'm sorry - does being divorced suddenly mean that the child no longer has a mom and a dad? Does one parent spontaneously combust? Do aliens come and beam up one parent?

So should single mothers without a father anywhere in their childs life should have their child taken away?

If they properly care for the child? Absolutely not.

 

[P@triot]

Wait. What?

Are you now saying you want to make having your children in foster care illegal?

You believe society should be forced to provide for the children of irresponsible parents.

I believe the irresponsible parents should be forced to take care of their own children.

It goes way beyond foster care:

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need food stamps for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even feed your own children) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the food for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government housing for you and your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even provide a roof over your child's head) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the housing for your child

If you're such an incompetent piece of shit that you need government to pay for healthcare for your children (ie your so negligent in your responsibilities that you can't even pay for your own children to see a doctor) - then we put you on a chain gain and make you earn the healthcare for your child

Stop playing stupid because you hate this non-communist solution to a problem and you have no intelligent response.

lol

And how exactly will the state force irresponsible parents to be responsible?

Or are minor children now responsible for their irresponsible parents.

If you would read the entire thread, you would see that I already clearly stated how. In short:

If society is required in any capacity to care for your child, you're put on a chain gang and forced to work 12 hours per day hard labor to cover those costs.

 

[RDD_1210]

I'm sorry - does being divorced suddenly mean that the child no longer has a mom and a dad? Does one parent spontaneously combust? Do aliens come and beam up one parent?

So should single mothers without a father anywhere in their childs life should have their child taken away?

If they properly care for the child? Absolutely not.

So then you must be in favor of gay couples who properly care for the child as well. Correct?

 

[g5000]

It is always good to see a poster going on about rights and freedoms and small government on one thread - and then want governments to decide who can and can not get married on another.

If two gay people want to get married why not let them decide if its appropriate or not.

Um, actually stupid, this is very consistent with my small government beliefs. The gay community is demanding government hop into bed with them and recognize their marriage. Like all things, I'm trying to keep government out of their bed. I 100% gays creating some kind of union of their own. No government involvement.

I swear Saigon, just when I believe you have achieved the absolute pinnacle of stupidity, you figure out a way to take it to a whole new level...

We heteros invited the government into out beds long ago, dipshit. We accept all kinds of cash and prizes from the government for being married.

The government has been interfering in our social behaviors through the giving and taking of cash and prizes for quite some time, and only now do we suddenly find idiots like you complaining when someone else asks for the same privileges you have demanded and accepted from the government.

 

[P@triot]

So should children living in divorced single family households be taken away from their parents since they aren't growing up with that "traditional" experience?

What kind of argument does it make for gay marriage if you can only compare it to failed heterosexual marriages?

What does it say for your education level that this is the best response you could muster for my statement?

What does it say that you don't have an intelligent response to a very rational post?

 

[sfcalifornia]

Yes, I know it's shocking...but there are even moronic and stupid "gay people". Who'd a thunk?

I'll never figure out Log Cabin Republicans.

That's ok - we'll never figure out you communitsts

Destroy God

Destroy the Family

Destroy society (drugs, alcohol, debauchery)

Destroy the economy

Destroy your nation

Hell of an ideology you idiots believe so deeply in...

I guess that is how you would see it since you've probably overdosed on the right wing propaganda from FauxNews, Beck and Palin...

Keep your God to yourself. Mine works perfectly fine. Sound reasonable?

Gay marriage is coming. Nothing you can do about it. Even Republicans are supporting it.

You're now having a memory problem. The Bush years destroyed the economy with two unfunded wars and an unregulated mortgage industry.

If the nation is destroyed, it'll be because the right wing refuses to address America's obesity problem or our crumbling infrastructure.

 

[g5000]

Is it true that half of marriages end up in divorce? half?

I don't know the exact statistics - why? What does that have to do with anything?

So should children living in divorced single family households be taken away from their parents since they aren't growing up with that "traditional" experience?

Yes, that would be the conclusion one would have to reach if one were using the illogic found in the opening post.

I bet kids in divorced or single parent families suffer from more problems than kids raised by a gay couple.

 

[RDD_1210]

What kind of argument does it make for gay marriage if you can only compare it to failed heterosexual marriages?

What does it say for your education level that this is the best response you could muster for my statement?

What does it say that you don't have an intelligent response to a very rational post?

Point out the rational post you made.