Men in women's bathrooms

[JoeMoma]

Well we know she bothers you people but that's your problem. You tell me how she bothers you and we will both see that she really isn't bothering you at all. The problem with you is all in your fucking stupid head.

The problem is, you don't see the problem. You're imagining the problem to be some sort of prejudice against transgenders... it's not. The problem is, when you allow persons with penises into the women's restrooms, you also allow sexual predators. There is no way for us to discern if someone is a "harmless transgender" person or a sexual predator. By enabling this policy, you remove the reasonable expectation factor under the law... so now, if you have a sexual predator in the women's room, they can simply claim they were within their rights to be there (gender identity).

Look... imagine a court case where a victim claims to have been sexually molested in a women's restroom... It will all boil down to the predator's word against the victim. There is no reason for the predator not to have been there... whereas, if you have the restriction of females only, then what was he doing there? This might determine the outcome of such a case. All because we're trying to appease confused men who think they are women.

But hey... I am an open-minded guy! ...If we're going to make this law of the land, that males can go into female restrooms, then so be it... I will begin to use women's restrooms exclusively from now on! I will also encourage every virile heterosexual male out there to do the same... just claim you felt like a woman today! What are you going to do about that? Challenge my gender identity?

You ignored the relevant part of that. Nobody is saying all men should be allowed in women's restrooms.They are saying transgender. Nobody becomes transgender until they begin the transition and live their lives as a woman.That transition includes much more than putting on a dress. If you claim "I just feel like a woman today" that doesn't meet the criteria, and you know it. In your scenario, the obvious first question would be "Is the accused living as a woman, and when did that begin" . If the accused had actually begun living as a woman, then it would be a he said--she said case as you describe. If not, then every law that is in effect now could be used against him. Please tell me where you think I am wrong.

All the man has to do is say he feels like a woman

www.fpiw.org/blog/2015/12/29/wa-human-rights-commission-all-businesses-must-let-men-in-womens-bathroom

If that was all it took to be transgender, I would agree with you. There is a lot more to it than that.

Your disagreement isn't with me so much as it is with the Washington State Human Rights Commission and those jurisdictions that are passing laws that allow people to use whichever restroom they say are aporopriate.

 

[BULLDOG]

You do make some points, but I see no problem with relying on community standards to determine if a person is actually trans, or just a guy in a dress. It works for the definition of pornography. No reason why it shouldn't work in lieu of a better form of identification.

But you can't leave it up to community standards if you pass some kind of law protecting gender identity as a constitutional individual right... and that's what we're currently debating. The FACT remains, a trans IS just a guy in a dress. They identify as women... that's the whole issue here. There is no transsexual gender, that's a contradiction of terms... an oxymoron. It's like saying there are male females. You are either xx chromosome or xy chromosome... male or female. There is no "in-between" here and there never has been. Even hermaphrodites are mostly one or the other.

Now.... IF we are going to make it to where "transgenders" who are males identifying as female, are allowed to go into women's restrooms as a matter of their rights... then you must allow anyone who is male to go in because you can't tell if they are legitimately "transgender" or just pretending to be. There is no test, no defining attribute, no way to discern this and be absolutely correct always.

But gender identity is already constitutional right. This isn't about that. We're discussing whether they can practice their constitutional right in a woman's bathroom.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Wrong! Ever see orange is the new black? They get along well in women's prisons when the law rules it wouldn't be safe to put them with men. What's wrong with you?

So, a fictional TV show is your reference to how reality works, and fictional criminals in prison are your reference to how normal people behave. Do I have this about right?

I've never watched that show, but it seems to me that I am getting a reasonable sense of what to make of what it means for you to cite it as you have.

 

[Boss]

You are aware, aren't you, that the ladies room doesn't have urinals or troughs where a man can whip his dick out to pee in? They have closed stalls. There is little likelihood that your poor 8 year old daughter will be scarred for life by seeing a penis. I can understand why the ladies would be upset though. There always seems to be a waiting line for the ladies room at nearly any venue, while the men usually don't have to wait.

You are aware that men's rooms have stalls just like the women's room, aren't you? What's the problem with the tranny using a stall in the men's room? Seems to me like SOME men simply want to find a valid justification for using the women's restrooms... and hey... I'm fine with that, as long as we're going to allow it for ALL! Let's get the ball rolling on this! I'll be happy to use women's restrooms exclusively... they tend to be much cleaner, less piss on the floor, etc. They smell better too! Maybe not after I'm finished, but for now they are.

I'm totally 100% serious about this, I am not simply being facetious, I fully intend to take advantage of this "gender identity" thing... I wish it had been in vogue back when I was in high school! I mean... only a GAY man would want to go to the restroom with other men!
I wanna go pee-pee with the ladies!

 

[P@triot]

We have a dude in here that keeps the WANKER........has a WIFE...........and is taking hormones to get big tits.........

And he.....she.......it .......says we are the ones with the problem..............

Actually I'm taking hormones to prep for GRS. That you cannot separate Gender from Sex shows you are the one with a limited IQ.

Gender and sex are two different things. Well, they have not always been, but today they are. Definitions are changing, bla bla.

Here is what I don't get, so help me out here. You claim above that eagle cannot separate gender from sex, but you do. Well, if so, why are you trying to put them back together?

Also, I read you say, you look like a woman, but not that you are a woman. You did say transgender women, but that's not the same. I guess I am asking, why is not enough to just feel like a woman, but you must transform to look like one. Who you are trying to fool with the look, yourself or others?

Why do you say I'm trying to FOOL anyone? That's quit offensive, in fact it's utterly offensive.

What I'm trying to do is quell the inner pain, the inner suffering by making the inner and outer me, coincide. Being a big burly hairy man... is PAINFUL.

The amount of serenity I have achieved as I go down this path... is amazing.

Renae - is it problematic for people in that position to simply use the restroom which they should based on there biology? It would seem to me that they could just go in for a few minutes, do what they have to do, and then move on. Is it really that big of an issue for people in your situation?

 

[Boss]

But gender identity is already constitutional right. This isn't about that. We're discussing whether they can practice their constitutional right in a woman's bathroom.

You're going to have to show me where THAT is in the constitution. Discrimination based on SEX is in the Constitution, but we're talking about GENDER IDENTITY here.... totally different animal.

 

[P@triot]

Wrong! Ever see orange is the new black? They get along well in women's prisons when the law rules it wouldn't be safe to put them with men. What's wrong with you?

So, a fictional TV show is your reference to how reality works, and fictional criminals in prison are your reference to how normal people behave. Do I have this about right?

I've never watched that show, but it seems to me that I am getting a reasonable sense of what to make o what it means for you to cite it as you have.

You have to admit - that is hilarious. Leave it to a liberal to use a fictional Hollywood production as their frame of reference for forming the basis of their views.

Sadly, the left has been doing that for decades. I used to lose my mind when I would hear a liberal use the immature Hollywood movie "it's all about the oil" line. Uh....where is all of the oil then? If we went into Iraq for oil, why didn't we plant the American flag and put them under our control? And why was gasoline $3.84 per gallon during the Obama reign of terror?

Trying to discuss policy with liberals is like trying to discuss it with children. They are simply so far removed from reality (and facts) that they can't comprehend the truth.

 

[eagle1462010]

The thread keeps going on...........Recaping............

We are expected to ACCEPT THIS.........

DId I miss anything...................

 

[Boss]

Wrong! Ever see orange is the new black? They get along well in women's prisons when the law rules it wouldn't be safe to put them with men. What's wrong with you?

So, a fictional TV show is your reference to how reality works, and fictional criminals in prison are your reference to how normal people behave. Do I have this about right?

I've never watched that show, but it seems to me that I am getting a reasonable sense of what to make o what it means for you to cite it as you have.

Silly boob does that... he lives his life solely based on what he sees on television. He probably believes it's all reality happening in real time.

 

[BULLDOG]

We have a dude in here that keeps the WANKER........has a WIFE...........and is taking hormones to get big tits.........

And he.....she.......it .......says we are the ones with the problem..............

Actually I'm taking hormones to prep for GRS. That you cannot separate Gender from Sex shows you are the one with a limited IQ.

Gender and sex are two different things. Well, they have not always been, but today they are. Definitions are changing, bla bla.

Here is what I don't get, so help me out here. You claim above that eagle cannot separate gender from sex, but you do. Well, if so, why are you trying to put them back together?

Also, I read you say, you look like a woman, but not that you are a woman. You did say transgender women, but that's not the same. I guess I am asking, why is not enough to just feel like a woman, but you must transform to look like one. Who you are trying to fool with the look, yourself or others?

Why do you say I'm trying to FOOL anyone? That's quit offensive, in fact it's utterly offensive.

What I'm trying to do is quell the inner pain, the inner suffering by making the inner and outer me, coincide. Being a big burly hairy man... is PAINFUL.

The amount of serenity I have achieved as I go down this path... is amazing.

Renae - is it problematic for people in that position to simply use the restroom which they should based on there biology? It would seem to me that they could just go in for a few minutes, do what they have to do, and then move on. Is it really that big of an issue for people in your situation?

Do you want these genetically female people in the women's restroom with your little girl?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Wrong! Ever see orange is the new black? They get along well in women's prisons when the law rules it wouldn't be safe to put them with men. What's wrong with you?

So, a fictional TV show is your reference to how reality works, and fictional criminals in prison are your reference to how normal people behave. Do I have this about right?

I've never watched that show, but it seems to me that I am getting a reasonable sense of what to make o what it means for you to cite it as you have.

Silly boob does that... he lives his life solely based on what he sees on television. He probably believes it's all reality happening in real time.

Aside from the use of fiction as a reference for reality, what do you suppose it means that this mute donkey is treating what I assume to be fictional depictions of convicted criminals in prison as a reference for normal people in society at large?

 

[sealybobo]

If she uses the stall like a lady, no harm no foul.

You mean HE... if HE uses the stall like a lady... and that's fine with me. I don't want to sexually molest anyone or expose myself. I do admit, there is something kind of erotic about the idea of being in a women's restroom stall next to a hot babe taking a piss. Perhaps catching a glimpse of her panties around her ankles under the bottom of the stall... I've got sort of a foot fetish... Kat's avatars drive me crazy man! It's kind of turning me on a little to think about it.... so when can we get the ball rolling on this new law? I'm getting horny!

Dress up as a woman and meet me at lifetime fitness!

Why in the living hell would I ever want to do that? Gross!

To see all that t&a n pussy. Towl fight anyone? I'm thinking of the wayans brothers in white chicks. Me and you.

Or Tom thanks and that b list actor on boosom buddies

 

[P@triot]

You do make some points, but I see no problem with relying on community standards to determine if a person is actually trans, or just a guy in a dress. It works for the definition of pornography. No reason why it shouldn't work in lieu of a better form of identification.

But you can't leave it up to community standards if you pass some kind of law protecting gender identity as a constitutional individual right... and that's what we're currently debating. The FACT remains, a trans IS just a guy in a dress. They identify as women... that's the whole issue here. There is no transsexual gender, that's a contradiction of terms... an oxymoron. It's like saying there are male females. You are either xx chromosome or xy chromosome... male or female. There is no "in-between" here and there never has been. Even hermaphrodites are mostly one or the other.

Now.... IF we are going to make it to where "transgenders" who are males identifying as female, are allowed to go into women's restrooms as a matter of their rights... then you must allow anyone who is male to go in because you can't tell if they are legitimately "transgender" or just pretending to be. There is no test, no defining attribute, no way to discern this and be absolutely correct always.

But gender identity is already constitutional right. This isn't about that. We're discussing whether they can practice their constitutional right in a woman's bathroom.

There is no Constitutional right to deny your biology, facts, and reality. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't exist Bulldog. A person born with an "X" and a "Y" chromosome is in fact, a man. Science proves that and nobody can deny it.

I posted this earlier and I'll post it again. I suffer from a condition where I "identify" as President of the United States. So by law, I should have unfettered access to the Oval Office, Air Force 1, and the presidential limo. And I pose no threat to the actual president and I will comply with all Secret Service security protocols just to make sure.

But of course - Obama would never allow that and people like you would never support that. Why? Because the left's position on this is 100% disingenuous.

 

[sealybobo]

Wrong! Ever see orange is the new black? They get along well in women's prisons when the law rules it wouldn't be safe to put them with men. What's wrong with you?

So, a fictional TV show is your reference to how reality works, and fictional criminals in prison are your reference to how normal people behave. Do I have this about right?

I've never watched that show, but it seems to me that I am getting a reasonable sense of what to make o what it means for you to cite it as you have.

Silly boob does that... he lives his life solely based on what he sees on television. He probably believes it's all reality happening in real time.

Aside from the use of fiction as a reference for reality, what do you suppose it means that this mute donkey is treating what I assume to be fictional depictions of convicted criminals in prison as a reference for normal people in society at large?

Where do you think criminals come from outer space or a 3rd dimension?

 

[BULLDOG]

But gender identity is already constitutional right. This isn't about that. We're discussing whether they can practice their constitutional right in a woman's bathroom.

You're going to have to show me where THAT is in the constitution. Discrimination based on SEX is in the Constitution, but we're talking about GENDER IDENTITY here.... totally different animal.

In 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit became the first federal court to recognize that discrimination on the basis of transgender identity violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This ruling reflected the court's belief that sex discrimination encompasses discrimination on the basis of gender identity or expression.

 

[Borillar]

You are aware, aren't you, that the ladies room doesn't have urinals or troughs where a man can whip his dick out to pee in? They have closed stalls. There is little likelihood that your poor 8 year old daughter will be scarred for life by seeing a penis. I can understand why the ladies would be upset though. There always seems to be a waiting line for the ladies room at nearly any venue, while the men usually don't have to wait.

You are aware that men's rooms have stalls just like the women's room, aren't you? What's the problem with the tranny using a stall in the men's room? Seems to me like SOME men simply want to find a valid justification for using the women's restrooms... and hey... I'm fine with that, as long as we're going to allow it for ALL! Let's get the ball rolling on this! I'll be happy to use women's restrooms exclusively... they tend to be much cleaner, less piss on the floor, etc. They smell better too! Maybe not after I'm finished, but for now they are.

I'm totally 100% serious about this, I am not simply being facetious, I fully intend to take advantage of this "gender identity" thing... I wish it had been in vogue back when I was in high school! I mean... only a GAY man would want to go to the restroom with other men!
I wanna go pee-pee with the ladies!

Whatever trips your trigger. Just remember to lift the lid when you piss, make sure you flush, and put the lid back down when you're done.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

There is no Constitutional right to deny your biology, facts, and reality. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't exist Bulldog. A person born with an "X" and a "Y" chromosome is in fact, a man. Science proves that and nobody can deny it.

Well, there sort of is. First Amendment, freedom of speech.

If I want to stand up in public and say, “I am a woman!”, I think a strong case can be made that I have a right to do so.

Of course, I'm not a woman; I'm a 53-year-old man. I can say that I'm a woman, but nothing in the Constitution obligates anyone else to believe me if I do, nor to treat my declaration as having any basis in truth. And most certainly, there is nothing in the Constitution that affirms a right on my behalf to enter into women's-only restroom, bathing, or dressing facilities.

 

[Borillar]

But gender identity is already constitutional right. This isn't about that. We're discussing whether they can practice their constitutional right in a woman's bathroom.

You're going to have to show me where THAT is in the constitution. Discrimination based on SEX is in the Constitution, but we're talking about GENDER IDENTITY here.... totally different animal.

In 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit became the first federal court to recognize that discrimination on the basis of transgender identity violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This ruling reflected the court's belief that sex discrimination encompasses discrimination on the basis of gender identity or expression.

I guess we can always go back to what the founding fathers envisioned.

 

[Boss]

In 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit became the first federal court to recognize that discrimination on the basis of transgender identity violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This ruling reflected the court's belief that sex discrimination encompasses discrimination on the basis of gender identity or expression.

Sorry but lower court rulings don't mean something is in the Constitution.

 

[BULLDOG]

But gender identity is already constitutional right. This isn't about that. We're discussing whether they can practice their constitutional right in a woman's bathroom.

You're going to have to show me where THAT is in the constitution. Discrimination based on SEX is in the Constitution, but we're talking about GENDER IDENTITY here.... totally different animal.

In 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit became the first federal court to recognize that discrimination on the basis of transgender identity violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This ruling reflected the court's belief that sex discrimination encompasses discrimination on the basis of gender identity or expression.

I guess we can always go back to what the founding fathers envisioned.

You ever actually use one of those?