Mexico Asks For Answers About Obama’s Illegal Gun Running Operation

[Weatherman2020]

Trump should extradite Holder and Obama to Mexico as soon as they issue a warrant.

Mexico asks U.S. for answers over historic gun-running row

Mexico's president on Friday urged the United States to shed light on a gun-running sting that caused bilateral friction under the Obama presidency, questioning the behavior of past U.S. administrations for the third time this week.

www.reuters.com

 

[The Irish Ram]

We'd like some answers to that too...

 

[Lakhota]

What's next - his birth certificate?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What's next - his birth certificate?

Whats that have to do with gun running?
So know you hate mehico?

 

[Crepitus]

Trump should extradite Holder and Obama to Mexico as soon as they issue a warrant.

Mexico asks U.S. for answers over historic gun-running row

Mexico's president on Friday urged the United States to shed light on a gun-running sting that caused bilateral friction under the Obama presidency, questioning the behavior of past U.S. administrations for the third time this week.

www.reuters.com

Yeah?

Well I wanna know when they're gonna pay for the wall.

 

[Lakhota]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

 

[daveman]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

The Bush Admin stopped it when they realized they couldn't control the guns sold.

The Obama Admin restarted it.

 

[CWayne]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

They don't. The Bush administration put Mexico in the loop and followed Mexican laws.

Obama, not so much which is why they want answers.

 

[depotoo]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

The Bush Admin stopped it when they realized they couldn't control the guns sold.

The Obama Admin restarted it.

And didn’t even attempt to keep track.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

Your racist rants against brown people continues.

 

[Obiwan]

What's next - his birth certificate?

I've heard Kenya already has that!!!

 

[WillPower]

We'd like some answers to that too...

We in Arizona know most of the answers...the coverup was what most folks aren't aware of. To keep it quiet, Holder let the Sinaloa Cartel operate pretty much carte blanche thoughout the Southwest...no prosecutions. He never did answer the subpoenas after lying to Congress but of course the GOP rolled over a couple years back and decided not to go after him.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's next - his birth certificate?

No birth certificates in Kenya

 

[2aguy]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

Wrong again....Wide Receiver, the Bush era gun sting operation was shut down when they lost control of a few of the guns.......obama lost control of about 3,000 guns under Fast and Furious......and it was those guns piling up the bodies in Mexico...according to obama's plan in order to restart the gun control push....

(1) First and foremost, operation Wide Receiver did not result in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent or an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer. Fast and Furious did. The guns that ultimately killed Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and ICE officer Jamie Zapata were traced back to straw purchasers related to Fast and Furious. Zapata's family filed a wrongful death suit against the U.S. Justice Department last week.

(2) Second, Wide Receiver, though flawed, was more of a gun-tracing operation than a gun-walking program. Gun-tracing involves putting specific safeguards in place to track firearms, such as RFID chips perhaps with video or aerial surveillance. Gun-walking is what happened in Fast and Furious, where ATF agents sold thousands of guns without a reliable way to recover them, apparently just hoping for the best.

Some of the guns from Wide Receiver were implanted with RFID chips and were actively tracked electronically. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Phoenix also implemented aerial surveillance tactics in an attempt to follow the weapons.

However, problems reportedly arose due to poorly implanted RFID chips which were forced into the guns, bending the antennas and decreasing their effectiveness. Cartels and straw purchasers also eventually came up with creative ways to shake tracking maneuvers and overhead surveillance, such as driving in loops for hours until surveillance planes had to refuel.

Those in charge of Fast and Furious took no similar steps to strengthen their chances of recovering walked guns other than recording the serial numbers before watching them disappear in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

(4) Perhaps the most convincing piece of evidence proving the two operations are separate from each other is the fact that Wide Receiver was shut down in 2007 shortly after it was clear the program was a failure. This was before Obama was even in office and nearly two years before Fast and Furious began.

Fast and Furious wasn't shut down until late 2010 after the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans, a border agent and an ICE officer.

(5) Finally, unlike Fast and Furious, officials involved in Wide Receiver were reportedly in close contact with Mexican authorities during the operation, though how involved Mexican officials were is not entirely known.

What is known is that Mexican authorities were kept completely in the dark during Fast and Furious, according to the Mexican ambassador to the U.S. Mexico. He announced on June 1, 2012, that Mexico would be launching its own probe into Fast and Furious.

The 5 Biggest Differences Between Operation Fast and Furious and Operation Wide Receiver | Blaze Media

Despite what the White House's "blame Bush" mantra would have you believe, differences exist.

www.theblaze.com

 

[2aguy]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

And here.....just to keep you informed....

Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious

Main Page Didn't this all start under Bush? Didn't he do the same thing? Didn't his "Wide Receiver" operation use the same tactics? The sh...

reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com

Let’s compare the two programs:

Cooperation with Mexico:
Wide Receiver: Mexican Law Enforcement notified, Mexico consented and was a full partner.
Fast and Furious: Mexico intentionally kept in the dark. No coordination or consent.

Surveillance of Firearms:
Wide Receiver: Agents attempted to keep track of the guns at all times.
Fast and Furious: Agents were ordered not to track the guns after they were purchased.

Use of Tracking Devices:
Wide Receiver: Extensive – placed in every lot of guns purchased
Fast and Furious: One “agent built” device in one gun

Performance of Tracking Devices:
Wide Receiver: Smugglers figured out how to defeat trackers
Fast and Furious: Smugglers didn’t have to do anything

Number of Firearms Sent to Cartels:
Wide Receiver: About 250
Fast and Furious: Exact number unknown, but over 2,500

Actions at the Border:
Wide Receiver: Attempted to hand off surveillance to Mexican law enforcement
Fast and Furious: ATF worked with Customs to make sure guns were not stopped at border

Reaction to guns “getting away”:
Wide Receiver: Program terminated. William Newell wrote memo saying “never again”
Fast and Furious: Program continued – recovered guns tracked and mapped.

Ironically, Wide Receiver provides an excellent example of a truly “botched sting operation”. The purpose of the Bush era programs was to track the guns to and over the border where Mexican law enforcement would make arrests. It was poorly planned and executed – but it at least has some potential to work and serve a law enforcement purpose. Make no mistake – Wide Receiver should result in heads rolling – but the program was not designed to send guns to the cartels.

Another point: Since the Phoenix ATF had experience with this kind of operation, why would they think that a program with many less safeguards would ever work? Why was such an operation begun with months of President Obama taking office and immediately after their bogus numbers on US retail sourced guns going to Mexico were exposed as false? Sadly, the answer is obvious.

In contrast, Fast and Furious was designed to pump guns into Mexico, without the knowledge of the Mexican government. Without their knowledge and cooperation, their was no chance of making arrests as a result of allowing guns to cross the border. Therefore, there was no law enforcement purpose. It was designed and executed for the purpose of sending guns from US retail outlets to the cartels. It was not a “botched sting operation” – it was a correctly executed plan with a very evil purpose.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

Wide receiver and fast and furious, where two separate ops

But you knew that already.

 

[depotoo]

Why would Mexico care about gun running started by the Bush Administration?

Wide receiver and fast and furious, where two separate ops

But you knew that already.

She was hoping others don’t and could get away with lying about it.

 

[Snouter]

What's next - his birth certificate?

Now that everyone knows the Obama Administration was the most corrupt in history, made phony documents to get people arrested, was all in with the Deep State, do you really think they didn't get some interns at the US Department of Health to do half-assed graphic design photoshop who did not do their research in regards to documents back then to work up that fake, phony fraud thing that is allegedly Hussaine's birth certificate? President Trump needs to re-open the case.

 

[Dragonlady]

What's next - his birth certificate?

Now that everyone knows the Obama Administration was the most corrupt in history, made phony documents to get people arrested, was all in with the Deep State, do you really think they didn't get some interns at the US Department of Health to do half-assed graphic design photoshop who did not do their research in regards to documents back then to work up that fake, phony fraud thing that is allegedly Hussaine's birth certificate? President Trump needs to re-open the case.

Everyone doesn't know anything of the kind. But they know that Donald Trump and his supporters are idiots. Do you really think we care what conspiracy theory Trump cultists post?

 

[bluzman61]

What's next - his birth certificate?

Whats that have to do with gun running?
So know you hate mehico?

Well, Chief IS a dim fella. I believe he always posts AFTER he's taken a nice big hit on his "peace pipe". Quite sad, but VERY preventable.