Mexico Preparing for War Against Trump?

[OnePercenter]

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

Arrest, convict, and incarcerate employers knowingly hiring illegals.

But wait, what if Trump hired contractors who he knew used illegal workers? So... you're saying the new POTUS elect should be arrested?

Trump Hired Polish Illegal Immigrants to Build Trump Tower

Why do you think he continues to push for the 'Wall to Nowhere?'

 

[OnePercenter]

these lefty people are funny , first they laughed at the thought Trump , then they got nervous , then for the last day or 2 they are getting teary eyed and bawling / crying their eyes out , Its pretty funny eh ??

Trump has got a hard tow. 1. He didn't win the popular vote so he will be referred to as the Illegitimate President for the next 4 years. 2. Republicans like trade agreements--they have always had a pro attitude for them, so he's not going to be able to take on the North American Trade agreement with Mexico & Canada. He may be able to do something with China to stop their currency maneuvers but that's about it. 3. Republicans would never approve of tarrifs on American or foreign goods, as all that does is raise the price to consumers and doesn't create a single job.

So a lot of the things Trump has campaigned on will not be approved by Republican Senate and House members--and they have already stated that.

Wow, so Hillary lost because she ran for the popular vote? We haven't had that stupid a candidate since Gore did that. Wow, Democrats sure nominate idiots. No wonder they lost

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

 

[Lewdog]

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

Arrest, convict, and incarcerate employers knowingly hiring illegals.

But wait, what if Trump hired contractors who he knew used illegal workers? So... you're saying the new POTUS elect should be arrested?

Trump Hired Polish Illegal Immigrants to Build Trump Tower

Why do you think he continues to push for the 'Wall to Nowhere?'

As a distraction, to take everyone's mind off of what really matters. It's just like Hitler blaming the poor German economy on the Jews as a way to distract people from his true intention to take over the world.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Now would not be the time to visit Mexico....and I feel for those people who have vacation/retirement homes down there.

And Ford and other manufacturers who have built shiny new multi-million and billion dollar plants?

Mexico is not stupid enough to steal US Corporation Mfg plants, not even over correcting remittences, which is what Trump means by them paying for it.

A nation has every right to address remittances. If Mexico seized our plants, no country would do business with them and the US would seize Mexican's assets in the US.

They're not going to seize anything just like Trump is not going set aside NAFTA because it would create a financial crisis for both countries. It's the threat that's important because that creates uncertainly in business and financial market and that put's pressure on your opponent. Welcome to Trump's world of big deals. The stakes are big but so are risks.

For Mexico, you place a 310.00 Peso/hr minimum wage for all NAFTA businesses.

More of your bad math, like your $23.50 based on inflation whopper?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The point is not Mexicans in China, the point is the wall and how married Trump is to it.

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

Arrest, convict, and incarcerate employers knowingly hiring illegals.

As long as failing to pass E-Verify leads to immediate incarceration and deportation.

 

[B. Kidd]

these lefty people are funny , first they laughed at the thought Trump , then they got nervous , then for the last day or 2 they are getting teary eyed and bawling / crying their eyes out , Its pretty funny eh ??

Trump has got a hard tow. 1. He didn't win the popular vote so he will be referred to as the Illegitimate President for the next 4 years. 2. Republicans like trade agreements--they have always had a pro attitude for them, so he's not going to be able to take on the North American Trade agreement with Mexico & Canada. He may be able to do something with China to stop their currency maneuvers but that's about it. 3. Republicans would never approve of tarrifs on American or foreign goods, as all that does is raise the price to consumers and doesn't create a single job.

So a lot of the things Trump has campaigned on will not be approved by Republican Senate and House members--and they have already stated that.

Wow, so Hillary lost because she ran for the popular vote? We haven't had that stupid a candidate since Gore did that. Wow, Democrats sure nominate idiots. No wonder they lost

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

Keep emoting if it leads to some kind of eventual acceptance of politically 'what you cannot change' in the next four years. That's a healthy process. And, your emoting has no predictive and logical relevance, anyways.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

OP, stop spreading lies!

Mexico was one of the first countries to congratulate Donald Trump!

Mexican President Peña Nieto Congratulates Trump

Mexico Es Mierda, Mordida, y Miedo

He's afraid. Scaring loudmouth lowlife is how Reagan got so much done.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Is it even possible for a country to declare war on the President of the United States? Mexico has a lot more to lose than Los Estados Unitos

The Mexican goverment is known for making decisions not in the long term best interest of the country. This just might be one of those times. Sure glad I'm not an American living in Mexico.

Are they going to jail US citizens?

Highly doubtful.

We've been very accommodating to those who arrive here, illegally.

Jail one US citizen and the population residing here will surely experience the same backlash tenfold.

Who said anything about jailing US citizens. That would be pointless. Mexico just wants the US to protect their boarders without their help. There is no reason why Mexico should pay the US to do this. If the US attempts to extort money from them, Mexico may well make decisions that hurt both countries. Mexico is facing a downgrade of their bonds and they are essentially broke. If Nieto agreed to pay the US billions of dollars to protect their boarder, he would be impeached.

IMHO, here is what should happen. Trump should get Nieto to help the US from their side of boarder. It would be far less expensive than building a wall and it would preserve relations between valuable trading. partners.

Trump will get hanged by his own beast if he doesn't build the great wall of North America. He is a wall candidate.

Homo Erectus V. Homo Sapiens: The Final Chapter

The Great Wall of China was built to keep out subhuman Mongol bandits, who were genetically related to those tribes who had earlier migrated to the Americas.

 

[kaz]

these lefty people are funny , first they laughed at the thought Trump , then they got nervous , then for the last day or 2 they are getting teary eyed and bawling / crying their eyes out , Its pretty funny eh ??

Trump has got a hard tow. 1. He didn't win the popular vote so he will be referred to as the Illegitimate President for the next 4 years. 2. Republicans like trade agreements--they have always had a pro attitude for them, so he's not going to be able to take on the North American Trade agreement with Mexico & Canada. He may be able to do something with China to stop their currency maneuvers but that's about it. 3. Republicans would never approve of tarrifs on American or foreign goods, as all that does is raise the price to consumers and doesn't create a single job.

So a lot of the things Trump has campaigned on will not be approved by Republican Senate and House members--and they have already stated that.

Wow, so Hillary lost because she ran for the popular vote? We haven't had that stupid a candidate since Gore did that. Wow, Democrats sure nominate idiots. No wonder they lost

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

You couldn't even get your username right ...

 

[OnePercenter]

Now would not be the time to visit Mexico....and I feel for those people who have vacation/retirement homes down there.

And Ford and other manufacturers who have built shiny new multi-million and billion dollar plants?

Mexico is not stupid enough to steal US Corporation Mfg plants, not even over correcting remittences, which is what Trump means by them paying for it.

A nation has every right to address remittances. If Mexico seized our plants, no country would do business with them and the US would seize Mexican's assets in the US.

They're not going to seize anything just like Trump is not going set aside NAFTA because it would create a financial crisis for both countries. It's the threat that's important because that creates uncertainly in business and financial market and that put's pressure on your opponent. Welcome to Trump's world of big deals. The stakes are big but so are risks.

For Mexico, you place a 310.00 Peso/hr minimum wage for all NAFTA businesses.

More of your bad math, like your $23.50 based on inflation whopper?

My $23.50/hr is based on actually cost increases (including rent) where the majority of Americans live; within 200 miles of water.

 

[OnePercenter]

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

Arrest, convict, and incarcerate employers knowingly hiring illegals.

As long as failing to pass E-Verify leads to immediate incarceration and deportation.

I've been using E-Verify since the program began and have found it 100% correct.

 

[OnePercenter]

Trump has got a hard tow. 1. He didn't win the popular vote so he will be referred to as the Illegitimate President for the next 4 years. 2. Republicans like trade agreements--they have always had a pro attitude for them, so he's not going to be able to take on the North American Trade agreement with Mexico & Canada. He may be able to do something with China to stop their currency maneuvers but that's about it. 3. Republicans would never approve of tarrifs on American or foreign goods, as all that does is raise the price to consumers and doesn't create a single job.

So a lot of the things Trump has campaigned on will not be approved by Republican Senate and House members--and they have already stated that.

Wow, so Hillary lost because she ran for the popular vote? We haven't had that stupid a candidate since Gore did that. Wow, Democrats sure nominate idiots. No wonder they lost

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

Keep emoting if it leads to some kind of eventual acceptance of politically 'what you cannot change' in the next four years. That's a healthy process. And, your emoting has no predictive and logical relevance, anyways.

Policy that only helps the wealthy is healthy for America?

 

[B. Kidd]

Wow, so Hillary lost because she ran for the popular vote? We haven't had that stupid a candidate since Gore did that. Wow, Democrats sure nominate idiots. No wonder they lost

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

Keep emoting if it leads to some kind of eventual acceptance of politically 'what you cannot change' in the next four years. That's a healthy process. And, your emoting has no predictive and logical relevance, anyways.

Policy that only helps the wealthy is healthy for America?

Man, you're a typical Marxist.

 

[OnePercenter]

Trump has got a hard tow. 1. He didn't win the popular vote so he will be referred to as the Illegitimate President for the next 4 years. 2. Republicans like trade agreements--they have always had a pro attitude for them, so he's not going to be able to take on the North American Trade agreement with Mexico & Canada. He may be able to do something with China to stop their currency maneuvers but that's about it. 3. Republicans would never approve of tarrifs on American or foreign goods, as all that does is raise the price to consumers and doesn't create a single job.

So a lot of the things Trump has campaigned on will not be approved by Republican Senate and House members--and they have already stated that.

Wow, so Hillary lost because she ran for the popular vote? We haven't had that stupid a candidate since Gore did that. Wow, Democrats sure nominate idiots. No wonder they lost

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

You couldn't even get your username right ...

My income per year is more than you'll make in your lifetime, so yes, my username is correct.

 

[OnePercenter]

Hilary lost because stupid Americans voted for Trump! I warned you people in 2000 and 2004 about Bush, and I was correct. I warned you again in 2016, and I pray it won't be worse then Bush for you.

Yes, you are a true legend...........in your own mind.

If being correct makes me a legend, than so be it. Of course you can't refute anything I wrote which makes you, what?

Keep emoting if it leads to some kind of eventual acceptance of politically 'what you cannot change' in the next four years. That's a healthy process. And, your emoting has no predictive and logical relevance, anyways.

Policy that only helps the wealthy is healthy for America?

Man, you're a typical Marxist.

I'm a self-admitted capitalist racketeer. But, I don't believe is screwing my employees.

 

[Flopper]

The point is not Mexicans in China, the point is the wall and how married Trump is to it.

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

I would prefer an armed border.
Have all military personal do a stint on the border as part of their enlistment.

They don't even need that. What they need is what DHS has been asking for, more technology, more trained technicians and about 200 miles of fencing and a visa tracking system. What we're doing on the southern boarder is working. We have over three times the number agents patrolling the Southern boarder as we did in 2000. Apprehensions are down 30 percent in the last year and almost 80 percent below its peak in FY 2000 peak.

What we are not doing is enforcing our visa expiration's which now are the largest source of illegal immigrants. Regardless of what we do about the wall, visa expiration's are a bigger problem than illegal boarder crossings. If we don't enforce visa expiration's, we have open boarders. To enforce it we need a comprehensive visa matching system covering land, sea, and air. Such a system would be expensive, would require legislation and would probably result in longer lines at land boarder crossings.

Stats and Summaries | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

I would prefer an armed border.
Have all military personal do a stint on the border as part of their enlistment.

They don't even need that. What they need is what DHS has been asking for, more technology, more trained technicians and about 200 miles of fencing and a visa tracking system. What we're doing on the southern boarder is working. We have over three times the number agents patrolling the Southern boarder as we did in 2000. Apprehensions are down 30 percent in the last year and almost 80 percent below its peak in FY 2000 peak.

What we are not doing is enforcing our visa expiration's which now are the largest source of illegal immigrants. Regardless of what we do about the wall, visa expiration's are a bigger problem than illegal boarder crossings. If we don't enforce visa expiration's, we have open boarders. To enforce it we need a comprehensive visa matching system covering land, sea, and air. Such a system would be expensive, would require legislation and would probably result in longer lines at land boarder crossings.

Stats and Summaries | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Dude I lived near the border and it's a fucking sieve.
Military and tech ran by the military would be cheaper than a wall and wouldnt be as disruptive to people or wild life.
Add that to zero government funds for illegals and stiff penalties to companies that hire them and the problem is gone.

 

[OnePercenter]

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

I would prefer an armed border.
Have all military personal do a stint on the border as part of their enlistment.

They don't even need that. What they need is what DHS has been asking for, more technology, more trained technicians and about 200 miles of fencing and a visa tracking system. What we're doing on the southern boarder is working. We have over three times the number agents patrolling the Southern boarder as we did in 2000. Apprehensions are down 30 percent in the last year and almost 80 percent below its peak in FY 2000 peak.

What we are not doing is enforcing our visa expiration's which now are the largest source of illegal immigrants. Regardless of what we do about the wall, visa expiration's are a bigger problem than illegal boarder crossings. If we don't enforce visa expiration's, we have open boarders. To enforce it we need a comprehensive visa matching system covering land, sea, and air. Such a system would be expensive, would require legislation and would probably result in longer lines at land boarder crossings.

Stats and Summaries | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Dude I lived near the border and it's a fucking sieve.
Military and tech ran by the military would be cheaper than a wall and wouldnt be as disruptive to people or wild life.
Add that to zero government funds for illegals and stiff penalties to companies that hire them and the problem is gone.

Penalties aren't enough. Incarceration needs to be added.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

I would prefer an armed border.
Have all military personal do a stint on the border as part of their enlistment.

They don't even need that. What they need is what DHS has been asking for, more technology, more trained technicians and about 200 miles of fencing and a visa tracking system. What we're doing on the southern boarder is working. We have over three times the number agents patrolling the Southern boarder as we did in 2000. Apprehensions are down 30 percent in the last year and almost 80 percent below its peak in FY 2000 peak.

What we are not doing is enforcing our visa expiration's which now are the largest source of illegal immigrants. Regardless of what we do about the wall, visa expiration's are a bigger problem than illegal boarder crossings. If we don't enforce visa expiration's, we have open boarders. To enforce it we need a comprehensive visa matching system covering land, sea, and air. Such a system would be expensive, would require legislation and would probably result in longer lines at land boarder crossings.

Stats and Summaries | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

Dude I lived near the border and it's a fucking sieve.
Military and tech ran by the military would be cheaper than a wall and wouldnt be as disruptive to people or wild life.
Add that to zero government funds for illegals and stiff penalties to companies that hire them and the problem is gone.

Penalties aren't enough. Incarceration needs to be added.

Nah...it doesnt do the job market any good if business's get shut down over it.
Hit em in the pocket hard enough and it will stop.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And Ford and other manufacturers who have built shiny new multi-million and billion dollar plants?

Mexico is not stupid enough to steal US Corporation Mfg plants, not even over correcting remittences, which is what Trump means by them paying for it.

A nation has every right to address remittances. If Mexico seized our plants, no country would do business with them and the US would seize Mexican's assets in the US.

They're not going to seize anything just like Trump is not going set aside NAFTA because it would create a financial crisis for both countries. It's the threat that's important because that creates uncertainly in business and financial market and that put's pressure on your opponent. Welcome to Trump's world of big deals. The stakes are big but so are risks.

For Mexico, you place a 310.00 Peso/hr minimum wage for all NAFTA businesses.

More of your bad math, like your $23.50 based on inflation whopper?

My $23.50/hr is based on actually cost increases (including rent) where the majority of Americans live; within 200 miles of water.

My $23.50/hr is based on actually cost increases

Your $23.50 is based on faulty math.