Mexico Preparing for War Against Trump?

[oreo]

build the Border Wall , its pretty simple thing to do . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- tax remittances being sent back to mexico .

When you declare war on a neighboring border--they're border patrol stops looking for terrorists trying to enter this country. We have got to have very good relations with our ESPECIALLY bordering countries, so they are encouraged to help fight off terrorism trying to enter this country. NAFTA is the north American trade agreement, meaning Canada would be affected also, should he try to abolish this agreement. I just don't think this country can afford to piss off both neighbors. Mexico is our Number 2 buyer of American products--so I don't see what all the anxiety is about them.

There are 100's of thousands of Americans that have bought condo's in Mexico for retirements, etc.--In fact Guadalajara has a huge population of full time residents American retiree's that bought and purchased a home, and many other cities and vacation resorts Americans have huge investments into these areas. Many of our doctors in the United States graduated from medical schools in Guadalajara.

It's endless the problems Trump has created with his mouth and threats. Mexico has a lot of power to do endless damage to the United States. And if working families live here, many of them legal citizens want to send part of their pay-check to their extended families in Mexico there is nothing illegal or wrong about that. Again I just wish that the Ass Clown President had a couple of his vacation resorts or golf courses in Mexico--and that would certainly shut him the fuck up.

If Mexico were to take action, then every other country we have legal signed contracts with on free trade could also screw us over. They would become very nervous and may take preemptive action by ceasing all American investments, including stock, bank accounts and properties.

 

[ChrisL]

Dump Nafta and Let the U.S. Worker Work


"Poland's New Entrepreneurs Push the Economy Ahead" (June 20), attributing that country's newfound business success largely to a dedicated work force, is in stark contrast to "Labor Draws the Line in Decatur" (June 13), about United States worker slowdowns and hostility.

Can we expect workers here not to be hostile? The United States worker feels betrayal and the issue is seen most clearly in the North American Free Trade Agreement and the fact that over 50 percent of top American companies plan on moving at least some of their operations to Mexico as soon as Nafta is signed.

It is sometimes said that job losses here will be offset by job gains from exports to Mexico. But the average American company pays 63 cents an hour -- $29 a week -- to its Mexican worker. If the worker didn't eat, he or she could possibly afford a 15-year-old Chevrolet.

Nafta is a palliative, a way of not facing reality. American workers are not the problem, but the solution. We are a people who love to dabble, to invent, to take risks, to build things. There is a dabbler in almost any house, and there are many in every factory in the United States. Further, we are not bogged down by dogma; we treasure and thrive on individual expression. We should be leading the world as both the originators and producers of innovation.

Producing a product locally means much more than simply bringing money to the local economy. Perhaps the radical simplicity of a Zen monk would clarify the issue: We cannot separate mind from body, and cannot work creatively from a distance. We must put our hands on things and dabble, in so doing finding new ways to do things and to use our technologies -- to produce variety, which will be a key to survival in the future. And we can do so in a way that will be relevant, adapting products to the subtle differences in tastes and preferences of those around us. Such levels of attention and fine turning of products cannot come from a few design engineers strategically placed on temporary duty in Matamoros.

We are cutting our own throats and breeding poverty by choices such as Nafta and should do everything we can to counter the estimated $100 million lobbying effort directed toward Nafta approval. CHARLES SMITH Hempstead, N.Y., June 22 The writer is an associate professor of management at Hofstra University.

 

[buckeye45_73]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Not going to happen, Trump will fly down and make them an offer they cant refuse

 

[rcfieldz]

Can you say: Bullet Proof Wall?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

They WILL pay for the wall ... whether it be by writing a check, losing US funds, or loss of business.

One way or the other ... Mexico will be held accountable for their actions.

I would be ashamed to admit that the United States is not capable of defending it's own boarders and has to resort to extorting money from a country as poor as Mexico to do so.

They could just guard their side of the border.

It is not their responsibility to protect the US. A nation as strong and wealthy as the US should be able to protect their own boarders. If we spent half as much money protecting our boarders as we spend protecting other nations we wouldn't be trying to extort money out of Mexico to protect our country.

It's "Border" fer fuks sake!!

 

[Flopper]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Not going to happen, Trump will fly down and make them an offer they cant refuse

Unless Trump brings an offer of US dollars, I doubt Nieto can offer Trump any more than a promise not to expropriate his new Trump Baja Mexico Tower with the fall of the Peso, a rising deficit, and now a likely downgrade of Mexican bonds.

 

[buckeye45_73]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Not going to happen, Trump will fly down and make them an offer they cant refuse

Unless Trump brings an offer of US dollars, I doubt Nieto can offer Trump any more than a promise not to expropriate his new Trump Baja Mexico Tower with the fall of the Peso, a rising deficit, and now a likely downgrade of Mexican bonds.

Im sure there are things he can do. Mexico really needs to build up their middle class. Im thinking maybe we could help them with their cartel problem. If we could solve that, it woild be mich easier to get economic developement there

 

[oreo]

Who cares if it true?

Lying liberals rarely care about the truth.

It's a joke meme... I don't care if she said it or not. I was actually looking for a meme I saw before but couldn't find it, so I posted this one. I'm not going to even try to pass it off as true. I just don't care. It's funny.

The point is not Mexicans in China, the point is the wall and how married Trump is to it.

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

 

[pismoe]

build the Border Wall , its pretty simple thing to do . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- tax remittances being sent back to mexico .

When you declare war on a neighboring border--they're border patrol stops looking for terrorists trying to enter this country. We have got to have very good relations with our ESPECIALLY bordering countries, so they are encouraged to help fight off terrorism trying to enter this country. NAFTA is the north American trade agreement, meaning Canada would be affected also, should he try to abolish this agreement. I just don't think this country can afford to piss off both neighbors. Mexico is our Number 2 buyer of American products--so I don't see what all the anxiety is about them.

There are 100's of thousands of Americans that have bought condo's in Mexico for retirements, etc.--In fact Guadalajara has a huge population of full time residents American retiree's that bought and purchased a home, and many other cities and vacation resorts Americans have huge investments into these areas. Many of our doctors in the United States graduated from medical schools in Guadalajara.

It's endless the problems Trump has created with his mouth and threats. Mexico has a lot of power to do endless damage to the United States. And if working families live here, many of them legal citizens want to send part of their pay-check to their extended families in Mexico there is nothing illegal or wrong about that. Again I just wish that the Ass Clown President had a couple of his vacation resorts or golf courses in Mexico--and that would certainly shut him the fuck up.

If Mexico were to take action, then every other country we have legal signed contracts with on free trade could also screw us over. They would become very nervous and may take preemptive action by ceasing all American investments, including stock, bank accounts and properties.

-------------------------------------------------------------- hey Oreo , FECK mexico and the ilk that owns property in mexico . Cultivate relations with Western English speaking countries plus Russia even though Russians doesn't speak English . All other countries can buy and sell to the USA if America lets them buy and sell Oreo !!

 

[oreo]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Not going to happen, Trump will fly down and make them an offer they cant refuse

Unless Trump brings an offer of US dollars, I doubt Nieto can offer Trump any more than a promise not to expropriate his new Trump Baja Mexico Tower with the fall of the Peso, a rising deficit, and now a likely downgrade of Mexican bonds.

Good I didn't know Trump had property in Mexico--that's very nice to know. There are 100's of thousands of Americans that own property in Mexico--& it's not fair that Trump can threaten confiscation of their properties without getting his own confiscated.

 

[buckeye45_73]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Not going to happen, Trump will fly down and make them an offer they cant refuse

Unless Trump brings an offer of US dollars, I doubt Nieto can offer Trump any more than a promise not to expropriate his new Trump Baja Mexico Tower with the fall of the Peso, a rising deficit, and now a likely downgrade of Mexican bonds.

Good I didn't know Trump had property in Mexico--that's very nice to know. There are 100's of thousands of Americans that own property in Mexico--& it's not fair that Trump can threaten confiscation of their properties without getting his own confiscated.

When did Trump threaten confiscation?

 

[Meathead]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Mexico's going to invade as soon as they get their tank fixed.

 

[buckeye45_73]

It's a joke meme... I don't care if she said it or not. I was actually looking for a meme I saw before but couldn't find it, so I posted this one. I'm not going to even try to pass it off as true. I just don't care. It's funny.

The point is not Mexicans in China, the point is the wall and how married Trump is to it.

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

The wall is a physicalll barrier, its low tech and works. If there was a better way, why havent we done it?

 

[WaitingFor2020]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

They just need to send El Chapo up here and let him handle Trump, by any means necessary.

 

[oreo]

build the Border Wall , its pretty simple thing to do . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- tax remittances being sent back to mexico .

When you declare war on a neighboring border--they're border patrol stops looking for terrorists trying to enter this country. We have got to have very good relations with our ESPECIALLY bordering countries, so they are encouraged to help fight off terrorism trying to enter this country. NAFTA is the north American trade agreement, meaning Canada would be affected also, should he try to abolish this agreement. I just don't think this country can afford to piss off both neighbors. Mexico is our Number 2 buyer of American products--so I don't see what all the anxiety is about them.

There are 100's of thousands of Americans that have bought condo's in Mexico for retirements, etc.--In fact Guadalajara has a huge population of full time residents American retiree's that bought and purchased a home, and many other cities and vacation resorts Americans have huge investments into these areas. Many of our doctors in the United States graduated from medical schools in Guadalajara.

It's endless the problems Trump has created with his mouth and threats. Mexico has a lot of power to do endless damage to the United States. And if working families live here, many of them legal citizens want to send part of their pay-check to their extended families in Mexico there is nothing illegal or wrong about that. Again I just wish that the Ass Clown President had a couple of his vacation resorts or golf courses in Mexico--and that would certainly shut him the fuck up.

If Mexico were to take action, then every other country we have legal signed contracts with on free trade could also screw us over. They would become very nervous and may take preemptive action by ceasing all American investments, including stock, bank accounts and properties.

-------------------------------------------------------------- hey Oreo , FECK mexico and the ilk that owns property in mexico . Cultivate relations with Western English speaking countries plus Russia even though Russians doesn't speak English . All other countries can buy and sell to the USA if America lets them buy and sell Oreo !!

Then Fuck Canada too--because they're also affected by the NAFTA agreement. You're talking about 100's of thousands of Americans that have invested billions into both these countries, that are not going to sit back quietly and let their properties get seized--dumbass.

Russia!!! Really--they were the only ones celebrating Trump's win.
RUSSIA CELEBRATES AS DONALD TRUMP WINS THE WHITE HOUSE! -

.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Mexico's going to invade as soon as they get their tank fixed.

Nope, the Sinaloa and and Los Zetas cartels will start shipping chemically tainted cocaine and weed up to Chicago, which is their main distribution center to the U.S. east coast. That will mean a lot of fatal drug overdoses, which means Trumps kids could end up in the ER, as well as millions of other users.

 

[pismoe]

It's a joke meme... I don't care if she said it or not. I was actually looking for a meme I saw before but couldn't find it, so I posted this one. I'm not going to even try to pass it off as true. I just don't care. It's funny.

The point is not Mexicans in China, the point is the wall and how married Trump is to it.

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Build the Wall if I get my way , its easy and mexico can be squeezed one way or the other to make them pay Carly err I mean Oreo , --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- course , I will support the President TRUMP on any decision that he makes Oreo . But for a lotta years now my attitude concerning mexico is feck'em and feck'em good Oreo !!

 

[oreo]

The point is not Mexicans in China, the point is the wall and how married Trump is to it.

No, the joke was just that a wall isn't that big of a deal. We aren't talking about the walls of Jericho here. This wall isn't going to be 40-50 feet high. People are going to still have to be paid to patrol the wall just like they patrol the borders now. Then you have people that will just dig under the fence... or build ladders to climb over them. You really want to stop immigrants from crossing the borders? Hell, put out land mines! After a couple border hoppers see their buddies blow up into a red mist, they'll start thinking twice huh?

No, a 2,000 mile wall that runs through mountainous terrain, and deserts, that will breakup communities, farms, grazing land, destroy the habit of dozens of endangered species and cost 25 billion dollars is a big deal. If it becomes the linchpin that drives the two nations apart, the economic damage will be even greater to both countries.

If we do build this wall, people will look back on the Trump Wall as a colossal mistake for several reasons. Illegal immigration is in a down trend and has been for several years. The growing shortage of cheap Mexican labor will become a critical shortage both in Mexico and the US in less than 20 years. We may well be inviting the very people we are deporting today to come back and the call to "Tear Down that Wall" will once again be heard.

Yeah, maybe I'm coming across wrong, but I don't support the wall.

There are much more cost effective ways to secure the border than building a WALL that can always be compromised. Today our electronics can pick up anyone trying to cross if they have warning in advance. Frankly I don't know why we can't situate National Guard all along our borders for training purposes instead of them being located within states.

When G.W. Bush put the National Guard on the border "attempted crossings dropped by 67%. IOW if they know they're there they won't even attempt it.

The wall is a physicalll barrier, its low tech and works. If there was a better way, why havent we done it?

Carly Fiorina--High tech person says indeed there is a way. Much more cost effective and better way to solve the problem. Walls can always be compromised. We have seen Mexicans build mile long tunnels to get through the fences and walls that are already there, it's not going to stop them from coming in.

Something they can't see, they can't compromise.

 

[Flopper]

After a 13% drop in the value of the Peso, precipitated by the Trump's election, Mexico has reiterated that they will not be paying for Trump's wall. The people were warned of very hard times are coming to Mexico.

A bill will be introduced today in the Mexican Senate to retaliate against anticipated moves against the Mexican people by Trump. This bill includes measures to: expropriate property owned by Americans in Mexico in proportion to the Trump planned blockage of up to 25 billion dollars in transfers from the US to Mexico. Expropriation can effect a million Americans living in Mexico as well business interest.

His bill also includes the automatic review of 75 treaties with the US if Trump backs out of NAFTA. These treaties contain language that provides for cooperation of the two countries at ports of entry, sharing of intelligence about criminal activity including terrorism threats, accepting deportees, and extradition. These treaties include land exchange at borders and areas of joint administration.

Attempting to calm fears, President Enrique Pena Nieto said on Twitter he was ready to work with Trump, calling the neighboring countries friends who "should continue to work together for the competitiveness and development of North America".

Not going to happen, Trump will fly down and make them an offer they cant refuse

Unless Trump brings an offer of US dollars, I doubt Nieto can offer Trump any more than a promise not to expropriate his new Trump Baja Mexico Tower with the fall of the Peso, a rising deficit, and now a likely downgrade of Mexican bonds.

Im sure there are things he can do. Mexico really needs to build up their middle class. Im thinking maybe we could help them with their cartel problem. If we could solve that, it would be much easier to get economic development there.

The cartels are deeply rooted in Mexico. They literally control many towns, local police and even militias. Rooting the cartel out would be very expensive. The government doesn't have the money and the cost of borrowing is going up with the likely downgrading of their bonds. Trump is suppose to be going to Mexico to get money for his wall not put US dollars in Mexico.

 

[pismoe]

build the Border Wall , its pretty simple thing to do . --- What it would take to build Trump's border wall - CNN Video --- tax remittances being sent back to mexico .

When you declare war on a neighboring border--they're border patrol stops looking for terrorists trying to enter this country. We have got to have very good relations with our ESPECIALLY bordering countries, so they are encouraged to help fight off terrorism trying to enter this country. NAFTA is the north American trade agreement, meaning Canada would be affected also, should he try to abolish this agreement. I just don't think this country can afford to piss off both neighbors. Mexico is our Number 2 buyer of American products--so I don't see what all the anxiety is about them.

There are 100's of thousands of Americans that have bought condo's in Mexico for retirements, etc.--In fact Guadalajara has a huge population of full time residents American retiree's that bought and purchased a home, and many other cities and vacation resorts Americans have huge investments into these areas. Many of our doctors in the United States graduated from medical schools in Guadalajara.

It's endless the problems Trump has created with his mouth and threats. Mexico has a lot of power to do endless damage to the United States. And if working families live here, many of them legal citizens want to send part of their pay-check to their extended families in Mexico there is nothing illegal or wrong about that. Again I just wish that the Ass Clown President had a couple of his vacation resorts or golf courses in Mexico--and that would certainly shut him the fuck up.

If Mexico were to take action, then every other country we have legal signed contracts with on free trade could also screw us over. They would become very nervous and may take preemptive action by ceasing all American investments, including stock, bank accounts and properties.

-------------------------------------------------------------- hey Oreo , FECK mexico and the ilk that owns property in mexico . Cultivate relations with Western English speaking countries plus Russia even though Russians doesn't speak English . All other countries can buy and sell to the USA if America lets them buy and sell Oreo !!

Then Fuck Canada too--because they're also affected by the NAFTA agreement. You're talking about 100's of thousands of Americans that have invested billions into both these countries, that are not going to sit back quietly and let their properties get seized--dumbass.

Russia!!! Really--they were the only ones celebrating Trump's win.
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Canada is civilized for the most part Oreo and already Canada has offered to renegotiate Trade between the USA and Canada Oreo . ------------------ I do hope that you will be able to sell your condo that you rent / kinda half way own from mexico at a small loss Oreo . [just because I like you]