Michigan about to be lost to republicans for a generation

[LogikAndReazon]

"Right to work" is a conservative euphemism for the "right to work for less" - union workers tend to earn 10 to 20% more than their none unionized counterparts.

Actually Right To Work is a policy that means more work. Unionized states have lower levels of job creation so fewer people are working but making more money. Union members are semi skilled welfare queens, nothing more.

Don't you love the 'net. Cause you get to say things with no consequence. I luv it.

But I wish you would go to any union hall and tell those memebers that they are "semi skilled welfare queens, nothing more."

Film it, post your ass whipping on UTube and let me LMAO at your beating.

Will you do that? Put your ass on the line for your mouth? You kmow, just to let those almost welfare queens know what you think of them. And to let them show you what they think of you.

Fuk no you won't do that. You're a puss.

Some of those illiterates certainly seem to have a tendency towards violence............

 

[Caroljo]

40 or 50 yrs ago unions were needed....we didn't have things in place to protect the workers. We have all that now and the unions are only used to get the pay up more than it probably should be, get as many benefits as possible out of the company, and protect workers that want to screw off and get themselves into trouble.

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

If 51% of employees vote to unionize in a union state, the remaining 49% who didn't want to unionize are forced by law to join the union against their will, or else quit their jobs.

Your question is answered, and it reveals your hatred of freedom.

your answer doesnt address business that are already unionized, which is the point of this entire thread, nor does it point to specific legislation either on the table or on the books.

your example though would be the one case that someone could be forced to join a union, however they still do have a choice in the matter. no one is holding a gun to their head in order to stay with that employer. but then again this is not a piece of proposed legislation, or piece of legislation that is already on the books. your statement just clarifies what is already in the rules of unionization.

then again if you the worker are that against unions, it then becomes your job to convince your other coworkers of the same. however on average union workers make 27% more than non union workers.

its amazing that the right is so against higher wages for workers.

I want every individual to make the choice to join the union or not.

You want the majority of a company's employees to make that choice for the minority.

And you see nothing wrong with it.

this is an employee's choice already, you just fail to understand this. there is no law on the books that requires all shops to be union nor is there any proposed legislation to do so. if you dont want to work for a union find a non union job.

 

[bodecea]

How awful that people be given the freedom to choose for themselves if union membership is right for them.

Don't have a problem with them doing that. Cut off their benefitting from union negotiations tho.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

How? Didn't Hostess just put themselves out of business because of management stupidity? Weren't they rewarded because they sucked all they could out of a company? Is this your version of capitalism?

Twinkie CEO Admits Company Took Employees Pensions and Put It Toward Executive Pay | Alternet

Yep, go ahead and keep blaming it on the poor workers whose pay was decimated and pensions raided. Righties have to be the dumbest creatures on earth...

 

[saveliberty]

How? Didn't Hostess just put themselves out of business because of management stupidity? Weren't they rewarded because they sucked all they could out of a company? Is this your version of capitalism?

Twinkie CEO Admits Company Took Employees Pensions and Put It Toward Executive Pay | Alternet

Yep, go ahead and keep blaming it on the poor workers whose pay was decimated and pensions raided. Righties have to be the dumbest creatures on earth...

It is a false claim that all companies are run like Hostess or are doing anything remotely similiar. The pay of a Hostess worker was decimated by closing the plant. A course clearly communicated to the workers and ignored by same. Where was the union when it came to protecting the pension? Don't the unions keep a close watch on that?

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

How? Didn't Hostess just put themselves out of business because of management stupidity? Weren't they rewarded because they sucked all they could out of a company? Is this your version of capitalism?

Twinkie CEO Admits Company Took Employees Pensions and Put It Toward Executive Pay | Alternet

Yep, go ahead and keep blaming it on the poor workers whose pay was decimated and pensions raided. Righties have to be the dumbest creatures on earth...

It is a false claim that all companies are run like Hostess or are doing anything remotely similiar. The pay of a Hostess worker was decimated by closing the plant. A course clearly communicated to the workers and ignored by same. Where was the union when it came to protecting the pension? Don't the unions keep a close watch on that?

the wage and benefits of the hostess worker was already cut by 15%. Hostess came back and demanded another 8-10% and the union said no. The CEO of hostess increased his own salary to $2.5M annually while he was preparing to file for bankruptcy. (triple the previous amount) while the average wage of the worker was $17 per hour.

so who is really the greedy one in this situation?

 

[saveliberty]

Twinkie CEO Admits Company Took Employees Pensions and Put It Toward Executive Pay | Alternet

Yep, go ahead and keep blaming it on the poor workers whose pay was decimated and pensions raided. Righties have to be the dumbest creatures on earth...

It is a false claim that all companies are run like Hostess or are doing anything remotely similiar. The pay of a Hostess worker was decimated by closing the plant. A course clearly communicated to the workers and ignored by same. Where was the union when it came to protecting the pension? Don't the unions keep a close watch on that?

the wage and benefits of the hostess worker was already cut by 15%. Hostess came back and demanded another 8-10% and the union said no. The CEO of hostess increased his own salary to $2.5M annually while he was preparing to file for bankruptcy. (triple the previous amount) while the average wage of the worker was $17 per hour.

so who is really the greedy one in this situation?

Pretty obvious the greedy parties were executives at Hostess and the union. Now they both are going to be out of work.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

It is a false claim that all companies are run like Hostess or are doing anything remotely similiar. The pay of a Hostess worker was decimated by closing the plant. A course clearly communicated to the workers and ignored by same. Where was the union when it came to protecting the pension? Don't the unions keep a close watch on that?

The unions don't have literal control over the pensions. The CEO and executives DO. This is the very reason people hate CEO's and vulture capitalism. They had NO RIGHT to take those workers' pensions to line their own pockets. How is this legal??? Oh yeah, big business writes all the laws now. WE ARE FUCKED.

And WHY is it OK to slash the pay for the workers (which wasn't that much to begin with) by 22% and then turn around and award a 300% pay raise for a douche already making millions? THEN they also raid the workers' pensions? I hope that CEO and all the executives get hit by a bus. What a vile group of people.

 

[bodecea]

40 or 50 yrs ago unions were needed....we didn't have things in place to protect the workers. We have all that now and the unions are only used to get the pay up more than it probably should be, get as many benefits as possible out of the company, and protect workers that want to screw off and get themselves into trouble.

Using that logic, we don' need the Bill of Rights anymore.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Quote: Originally Posted by Caroljo
40 or 50 yrs ago unions were needed....we didn't have things in place to protect the workers. We have all that now and the unions are only used to get the pay up more than it probably should be, get as many benefits as possible out of the company, and protect workers that want to screw off and get themselves into trouble.

Using that logic, we don' need the Bill of Rights anymore.

Seriously, with the obvious all-out war on labor going on, we need unions now more than ever.

 

[Si modo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Caroljo
40 or 50 yrs ago unions were needed....we didn't have things in place to protect the workers. We have all that now and the unions are only used to get the pay up more than it probably should be, get as many benefits as possible out of the company, and protect workers that want to screw off and get themselves into trouble.

Using that logic, we don' need the Bill of Rights anymore.

Seriously, with the obvious all-out war on labor going on, we need unions now more than ever.

"war on labor"

 

[Mr. Peepers]

"war on labor"

Yes, there very much is a war on labor in this country. Look around you. The evidence is everywhere.

 

[Si modo]

"war on labor"

Yes, there very much is a war on labor in this country. Look around you. The evidence is everywhere.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Why are you laughing? It isn't funny. Not even a little bit.

 

[Si modo]

Why are you laughing? It isn't funny. Not even a little bit.

It's hilarious, actually. "War on labor"

 

[Charles_Main]

When employment rises, and revenues to the state increase do to the Job Growth Right to work will surely bring. They 3/4ths of us who are not in Unions will reward the Republicans in power, by keeping them there.

 

[Charles_Main]

"war on labor"

Yes, there very much is a war on labor in this country. Look around you. The evidence is everywhere.

All I see is Labors war on Sanity, and drive to Bankrupt the Country, and every industry they are involved in.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Cutsey emoticons instead of logic, reasoning, or evidence ???????

Please tell me you have more

otherwise, we have no choice but to conclude you're an idiot.

 

[SniperFire]

"war on labor"

Yes, there very much is a war on labor in this country. Look around you. The evidence is everywhere.