Migrant kids outperform local kids

[ChrisL]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

It's a LIE.

 

[Indeependent]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

A lot of Accounting work gets off-shored.
Citibank started off-shoring to Ireland in the early 1980s.
We have load of kids graduating with Mechanical and Electrical Engineering degrees since 2003 having a bitch of a time getting interviews.
Don't forget...these articles have been cloned since 2003...13 years ago.

 

[Indeependent]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

Take this as a compliment...
If you are for upholding the law I will vote for you.

 

[Unkotare]

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It's the usual, "I read an article!".....

I haven't read one you posted on the subject.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If Americans are demanding too much money then business will inevitably look elsewhere.
Its a consequence of the free market economy. Its what made America great.

 

[Unkotare]

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Don't forget...these articles have been cloned since 2003...13 years ago.

Your "clone" claim supported by nothing but your insistence.

 

[Unkotare]

A Financial Publication is evidence......

About employment data? Yes.

Employment data?
You mean the claim since 2003 or so that there are X number of career openings and there's NO Americans or non-Indian Business Visas anywhere on Earth to fill them.
So please explain to everyone here why ONLY Indian Business Visas, since 2003, have the skills to fill these positions.

Because employers don't have to pay them as much, of course! ....

Not "of course." Paying below the market rate for a given position is illegal under the applicable law.

Look, drop the nonsense with the law......

Oh, the law is nonsense to you? Gonna rob some banks or steal a car this week?

 

[Unkotare]

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These Indian H1-Bs are paid way under market rate and not one Judge or Representative could give a hoot.

Prove all those claims.

 

[Indeependent]

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It's the usual, "I read an article!".....

I haven't read one you posted on the subject.

What major Publication would publish an article that would piss off it's advertisers?

ChrisL posted the counterpoint.

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It's the usual, "I read an article!".....

I haven't read one you posted on the subject.

Migrant kids outperform local kids
I refer you back to this post.
If you can't understand it, you're not worthy of having a discussion with.
If you can understand it, and you're contesting it's logic, you're not worthy of having a discussion with.

 

[Indeependent]

About employment data? Yes.

Employment data?
You mean the claim since 2003 or so that there are X number of career openings and there's NO Americans or non-Indian Business Visas anywhere on Earth to fill them.
So please explain to everyone here why ONLY Indian Business Visas, since 2003, have the skills to fill these positions.

Because employers don't have to pay them as much, of course! ....

Not "of course." Paying below the market rate for a given position is illegal under the applicable law.

Look, drop the nonsense with the law......

Oh, the law is nonsense to you? Gonna rob some banks or steal a car this week?

Please tell me you are not as stupid as this post.
I stated, quite explicitly, that companies and paid off judges have no regard for the law.

 

[Indeependent]

...
These Indian H1-Bs are paid way under market rate and not one Judge or Representative could give a hoot.

Prove all those claims.

Subscribe to ProgrammersGuild.com and you'll constantly get notified of judges throwing these lawsuits out of court.

 

[ChrisL]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

We are a country of over 300 million people, and MANY who are unemployed and underemployed.

The Myth of the Science and Engineering Shortage

Among college-educated information technology workers under age 30, temporary workers from abroad constitute a large majority. Even in electrical and electronic engineering—an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad—U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013.

Claims of workforce shortages in science and engineering are hardly new. Indeed there have been no fewer than five “rounds” of “alarm/boom/bust” cycles since World War II. Each lasted about 10 to 15 years, and was initiated by alarms of “shortages,” followed by policies to increase the supply of scientists and engineers. Unfortunately most were followed by painful busts—mass layoffs, hiring freezes, and funding cuts that inflicted severe damage to careers of both mature professionals and the booming numbers of emerging graduates, while also discouraging new entrants to these fields.

• Round one from the decade immediately following World War II, waning a decade later.
• Round two following the Sputnik launches in 1957 but waning sharply by the late 1960s, leading to a bust of serious magnitude in the 1970s.
• Round three from the 1980s Reagan defense buildup, alarming Federal reports such as “A Nation at Risk” (1983), and new Federal funding for the “war on cancer.” Most of these had waned by the late 1980s, contributing to an ensuing bust in the early 1990s.
• Round four from the mid-1990s, driven by concurrent booms in several high-tech industries (e.g. information technology, internet, telecommunications, biotech), followed by concurrent busts beginning around 2001.
• Round five from the rapid doubling of the National Institutes of Health budget between 1998 and 2003, followed by a bust when subsequent funding flattened.

Each of these rounds was accompanied by excessive claims, and a notable lack of credible evidence. Rounds one through three were motivated by existential Cold War concerns, with advocates focused on expanding the numbers of US students pursuing higher education and careers in science and engineering. As I discovered while researching my book, during rounds four and five, after Cold War security concerns had waned, shortage claimants focused on visa policies that enabled U.S. employers and universities to recruit large numbers of temporary workers and graduate students from countries (especially China and India) that had rapid growth in science and engineering graduates but much lower income levels.

Ironically the vigorous claims of shortages concern occupations in science and engineering, yet manage to ignore or reject most of the science-based evidence on the subject. The repeated past cycles of “alarm/boom/bust” have misallocated public and private resources by periodically expanding higher education in science and engineering beyond levels for which there were attractive career opportunities. In so doing they produced large unintended costs for those talented students who devoted many years of advanced education to prepare for careers that turned out to be unattractive by the time they graduated, or who later experienced massive layoffs in mid-career with few prospects to be rehired.

Recent forecasts of looming shortages of scientists and engineers may prove to be self-fulfilling prophecies if they result in further declines in the attractiveness of science and engineering careers for talented American students.

 

[Indeependent]

......
Don't forget...these articles have been cloned since 2003...13 years ago.

Your "clone" claim supported by nothing but your insistence.

If you are as old as you claim than you have not been reading Financial Publications for very long.
You DO claim to be in your 50s or 60s?

 

[Indeependent]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

We are a country of over 300 million people, and MANY who are unemployed and underemployed.

The Myth of the Science and Engineering Shortage

Among college-educated information technology workers under age 30, temporary workers from abroad constitute a large majority. Even in electrical and electronic engineering—an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad—U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013.

Claims of workforce shortages in science and engineering are hardly new. Indeed there have been no fewer than five “rounds” of “alarm/boom/bust” cycles since World War II. Each lasted about 10 to 15 years, and was initiated by alarms of “shortages,” followed by policies to increase the supply of scientists and engineers. Unfortunately most were followed by painful busts—mass layoffs, hiring freezes, and funding cuts that inflicted severe damage to careers of both mature professionals and the booming numbers of emerging graduates, while also discouraging new entrants to these fields.

• Round one from the decade immediately following World War II, waning a decade later.
• Round two following the Sputnik launches in 1957 but waning sharply by the late 1960s, leading to a bust of serious magnitude in the 1970s.
• Round three from the 1980s Reagan defense buildup, alarming Federal reports such as “A Nation at Risk” (1983), and new Federal funding for the “war on cancer.” Most of these had waned by the late 1980s, contributing to an ensuing bust in the early 1990s.
• Round four from the mid-1990s, driven by concurrent booms in several high-tech industries (e.g. information technology, internet, telecommunications, biotech), followed by concurrent busts beginning around 2001.
• Round five from the rapid doubling of the National Institutes of Health budget between 1998 and 2003, followed by a bust when subsequent funding flattened.

Each of these rounds was accompanied by excessive claims, and a notable lack of credible evidence. Rounds one through three were motivated by existential Cold War concerns, with advocates focused on expanding the numbers of US students pursuing higher education and careers in science and engineering. As I discovered while researching my book, during rounds four and five, after Cold War security concerns had waned, shortage claimants focused on visa policies that enabled U.S. employers and universities to recruit large numbers of temporary workers and graduate students from countries (especially China and India) that had rapid growth in science and engineering graduates but much lower income levels.

Ironically the vigorous claims of shortages concern occupations in science and engineering, yet manage to ignore or reject most of the science-based evidence on the subject. The repeated past cycles of “alarm/boom/bust” have misallocated public and private resources by periodically expanding higher education in science and engineering beyond levels for which there were attractive career opportunities. In so doing they produced large unintended costs for those talented students who devoted many years of advanced education to prepare for careers that turned out to be unattractive by the time they graduated, or who later experienced massive layoffs in mid-career with few prospects to be rehired.

Recent forecasts of looming shortages of scientists and engineers may prove to be self-fulfilling prophecies if they result in further declines in the attractiveness of science and engineering careers for talented American students.

Unkotare is an Open Borders, low wage loving, Conservative

 

[Unkotare]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

It's a LIE.

Supply & demand mismatch leaves STEM jobs unfilled


High-tech companies' struggle to fill job openings could slow


These 16 Industries Are Bleeding Billions A Year Due To Unfilled Jobs


There Are 4 Million U.S. Job Openings: Why Are The Positions Unfilled?


Three million open jobs in U.S., but who's qualified?

 

[ChrisL]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

We are a country of over 300 million people, and MANY who are unemployed and underemployed.

The Myth of the Science and Engineering Shortage

Among college-educated information technology workers under age 30, temporary workers from abroad constitute a large majority. Even in electrical and electronic engineering—an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad—U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013.

Claims of workforce shortages in science and engineering are hardly new. Indeed there have been no fewer than five “rounds” of “alarm/boom/bust” cycles since World War II. Each lasted about 10 to 15 years, and was initiated by alarms of “shortages,” followed by policies to increase the supply of scientists and engineers. Unfortunately most were followed by painful busts—mass layoffs, hiring freezes, and funding cuts that inflicted severe damage to careers of both mature professionals and the booming numbers of emerging graduates, while also discouraging new entrants to these fields.

• Round one from the decade immediately following World War II, waning a decade later.
• Round two following the Sputnik launches in 1957 but waning sharply by the late 1960s, leading to a bust of serious magnitude in the 1970s.
• Round three from the 1980s Reagan defense buildup, alarming Federal reports such as “A Nation at Risk” (1983), and new Federal funding for the “war on cancer.” Most of these had waned by the late 1980s, contributing to an ensuing bust in the early 1990s.
• Round four from the mid-1990s, driven by concurrent booms in several high-tech industries (e.g. information technology, internet, telecommunications, biotech), followed by concurrent busts beginning around 2001.
• Round five from the rapid doubling of the National Institutes of Health budget between 1998 and 2003, followed by a bust when subsequent funding flattened.

Each of these rounds was accompanied by excessive claims, and a notable lack of credible evidence. Rounds one through three were motivated by existential Cold War concerns, with advocates focused on expanding the numbers of US students pursuing higher education and careers in science and engineering. As I discovered while researching my book, during rounds four and five, after Cold War security concerns had waned, shortage claimants focused on visa policies that enabled U.S. employers and universities to recruit large numbers of temporary workers and graduate students from countries (especially China and India) that had rapid growth in science and engineering graduates but much lower income levels.

Ironically the vigorous claims of shortages concern occupations in science and engineering, yet manage to ignore or reject most of the science-based evidence on the subject. The repeated past cycles of “alarm/boom/bust” have misallocated public and private resources by periodically expanding higher education in science and engineering beyond levels for which there were attractive career opportunities. In so doing they produced large unintended costs for those talented students who devoted many years of advanced education to prepare for careers that turned out to be unattractive by the time they graduated, or who later experienced massive layoffs in mid-career with few prospects to be rehired.

Recent forecasts of looming shortages of scientists and engineers may prove to be self-fulfilling prophecies if they result in further declines in the attractiveness of science and engineering careers for talented American students.

Unkotare is an Open Borders, low wage loving, Conservative

I don't think I've ever met an "open borders" conservative before. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

It's a LIE.

Supply & demand mismatch leaves STEM jobs unfilled


High-tech companies' struggle to fill job openings could slow


These 16 Industries Are Bleeding Billions A Year Due To Unfilled Jobs


There Are 4 Million U.S. Job Openings: Why Are The Positions Unfilled?


Three million open jobs in U.S., but who's qualified?

STEM Grads Are at a Loss

All credible research finds the same evidence about the STEM workforce: ample supply, stagnant wages and, by industry accounts, thousands of applicants for any advertised job. The real concern should be about the dim employment prospects for our best STEM graduates: The National Institutes of Health, for example, has developed a program to help new biomedical Ph.D.s find alternative careers in the face of “unattractive” job prospects in the field. Opportunities for engineers vary by the field and economic cycle – as oil exploration has increased, so has demand (and salaries) for petroleum engineers, resulting in a near tripling of petroleum engineering graduates. In contrast,average wages in the IT industry are the same as those that prevailed when Bill Clinton was presidentdespite industry cries of a “shortage.” Overall, U.S. colleges produce twice the number of STEM graduates annually as find jobs in those fields.

 

[Unkotare]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

Take this as a compliment...
If you are for upholding the law I will vote for you.

Thanks, but I'm not running for office. Nice to know I'd have one vote if I did.

 

[Unkotare]

..... With all the people we have here in America who are underemployed or unemployed, we don't need any more foreigners coming with "work visas."

If we have unemployed accountants but need engineers?

We are a country of over 300 million people, and MANY who are unemployed and underemployed.

The Myth of the Science and Engineering Shortage

Among college-educated information technology workers under age 30, temporary workers from abroad constitute a large majority. Even in electrical and electronic engineering—an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad—U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013.

Claims of workforce shortages in science and engineering are hardly new. Indeed there have been no fewer than five “rounds” of “alarm/boom/bust” cycles since World War II. Each lasted about 10 to 15 years, and was initiated by alarms of “shortages,” followed by policies to increase the supply of scientists and engineers. Unfortunately most were followed by painful busts—mass layoffs, hiring freezes, and funding cuts that inflicted severe damage to careers of both mature professionals and the booming numbers of emerging graduates, while also discouraging new entrants to these fields.

• Round one from the decade immediately following World War II, waning a decade later.
• Round two following the Sputnik launches in 1957 but waning sharply by the late 1960s, leading to a bust of serious magnitude in the 1970s.
• Round three from the 1980s Reagan defense buildup, alarming Federal reports such as “A Nation at Risk” (1983), and new Federal funding for the “war on cancer.” Most of these had waned by the late 1980s, contributing to an ensuing bust in the early 1990s.
• Round four from the mid-1990s, driven by concurrent booms in several high-tech industries (e.g. information technology, internet, telecommunications, biotech), followed by concurrent busts beginning around 2001.
• Round five from the rapid doubling of the National Institutes of Health budget between 1998 and 2003, followed by a bust when subsequent funding flattened.

Each of these rounds was accompanied by excessive claims, and a notable lack of credible evidence. Rounds one through three were motivated by existential Cold War concerns, with advocates focused on expanding the numbers of US students pursuing higher education and careers in science and engineering. As I discovered while researching my book, during rounds four and five, after Cold War security concerns had waned, shortage claimants focused on visa policies that enabled U.S. employers and universities to recruit large numbers of temporary workers and graduate students from countries (especially China and India) that had rapid growth in science and engineering graduates but much lower income levels.

Ironically the vigorous claims of shortages concern occupations in science and engineering, yet manage to ignore or reject most of the science-based evidence on the subject. The repeated past cycles of “alarm/boom/bust” have misallocated public and private resources by periodically expanding higher education in science and engineering beyond levels for which there were attractive career opportunities. In so doing they produced large unintended costs for those talented students who devoted many years of advanced education to prepare for careers that turned out to be unattractive by the time they graduated, or who later experienced massive layoffs in mid-career with few prospects to be rehired.

Recent forecasts of looming shortages of scientists and engineers may prove to be self-fulfilling prophecies if they result in further declines in the attractiveness of science and engineering careers for talented American students.

Unkotare is an Open Borders, low wage loving, Conservative

I don't think I've ever met an "open borders" conservative before. Lol.

And you haven't yet.

 

[Unkotare]

......

Unkotare is an Open Borders, low wage loving, Conservative

Reduced to simply lying and misrepresenting? How sad for you.