MILITARIZE Baby! MILITARIZE!

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Pretending they do is the stuff of morons like yourself.

Pretending that we pretend, is moronic. You should stop that, if you want to stop labeling yourself that way.

Feel free to offer proof of any sizable number of votes being done by illegal aliens in any state.

One is too many.

 

[candycorn]

Pretending they do is the stuff of morons like yourself.

Pretending that we pretend, is moronic. You should stop that, if you want to stop labeling yourself that way.

Feel free to offer proof of any sizable number of votes being done by illegal aliens in any state.

One is too many.

Agreed. However, our insecure President and his moronic enablers somehow feel that there are millions of votes that were cast by illegals. Simply asking for proof the numbers....

 

[francoHFW]

If picture IDs suppress votes, wouldn't they suppress college admission, persons getting drivers licenses, etc...? There is nothing in the Constitution that says anything about society bending over backwards to make voting effortless. Some cold claim that the booth is claustrophobic so we can't have booths, or that the impediment is lifting the pencil to check a box so voice voting will then have to be available....

Getting a picture ID; as long as it is free, is no impediment. The technology is cheap, available, minimally intrusive, and it works. I support a nationwide standardized card that will be good in all 50 states just like money. This will end the patchwork nonsense of different picture IDs being accepted in different states. And if the Democrats are reliant upon a block of voters who are too scared, too bothered, or frankly too stupid to acquire the proper ID, they deserve to lose.

I never thought I'd be agreeing with with you, but I am. With just a little something to add to what you say. The IDs need to be such that they PROVE ELIGIBILITY to vote. Last I heard that meant being a US citizen. Should be, you don't have citizenship ID, you don't vote.

A good SSID is also the only solution to the illegal worker problem. But every time the Democrats try it, they are a communist plot.

 

[francoHFW]

Pretending they do is the stuff of morons like yourself.

Pretending that we pretend, is moronic. You should stop that, if you want to stop labeling yourself that way.

Feel free to offer proof of any sizable number of votes being done by illegal aliens in any state.

One is too many.

Agreed. However, our insecure President and his moronic enablers somehow feel that there are millions of votes that were cast by illegals. Simply asking for proof the numbers....

They found two... Trump supporters.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One has nothing to do with the other

Purposely over arming a governance against a peaceful populace shouldn't worry fascists at all

~S~

That's not armament. DUH!

 

[protectionist]

And according to the Brennan Center, voter fraud is basically non existent. According to the logic of those like yourself we all should pay income tax for lottery winnings even though our chances to win the lottery is 1 in several million.

What a joke. The Brennan Center is about as biased as anything could ever be. It is a lobbying group for illegal aliens wanting to vote with as much ease as possible. It's 100% in favor of voter fraud continuing, by pretending it doesn't exist. The Brennan Center calls itself a voting rights advocate org. Trouble is, it advocates for voting rights for EVERYBODY, when only American citziens have the right to vote in US elections.

This is what liberals do. They find a liberal group that agrees with what they're pushing, then they use them and their laughingstock "study" as a ruse to influence people to agree with them.

Voter fraud by illegal aliens has been routine for 70 years. Nothing in existence to stop it.

Florida NAACP v. Browning

 

[IM2]

I agree as well...
There are not millions of aliens voting to change large elections. That is just a figment of someone's imagination.
The most important elections in the nation are not large ones though, they are small ones with low turn outs.

This is why we need a uniform national voter ID card, available free of charge to anyone who registers to vote.It would have a picture ID. That is the first step.

The second step is to modernize the voting machines so that a trucker on a run from his home in Washington State to Washington DC can cast his ballot in Washington, Illinois as he travels through there on election day. The machine will scan his card and up pops his ballot from Tacoma. There are a great many people who work out of state who may not be able to get home in time to vote. Lets make it easier for them to vote.

The third step is to make sure all machines create a paper trail that officials can access for re-counts.

1. No…the first step is to require picture ID for voting.
2. The second step is to require hand-counting of actual paper ballots in ALL elections, no exceptions.
3. The third step is to totally eliminate mailed ballots for everyone except military personnel.
4. The final step is to punish vote fraud with death.

I’m all for 1 and 2. If We can make the process more sterile than it is; why not do it? Again, there is no proof that illegals vote in numbers to change large elections. There is also no proof that ballots filed in the wrong precinct are done so in numbers to sway an election. AS for West Palm Beach County in 2000, you can’t fix people who don’t understand the ballot.

Three I’m against. If anything, I’m for making balloting an entire week.

Four…crazy; I hope you were being facetious.

Absolutely one hundred percent dead serious. Vote fraud is indistinguishable from treason.

I never said voting couldn't take place over more than one day...simply that it should be in person. No more non-military mail ballots.

And according to the Brennan Center, voter fraud is basically non existent. According to the logic of those like yourself we all should pay income tax for lottery winnings even though our chances to win the lottery is 1 in several million.

It is basically non-existent. I 100% agree with that. Your chances of being hit by lightning are basically non-existent too. But you don't go golfing in a thunderstorm just the same. Your chances of being killed by an Arab Terrorist are basically non-existent but for almost 20 years now, we've been taking our shoes off to get on planes because some guy tried to set his on fire and blow up the plane; once. We have all sorts of faux safeguards in place in this country. As was proven with untold millions of us who were born to mothers that smoked; the chances of birth defects were incredibly low. As was proven with untold millions of us who were jumping around the back seat of a car while dad drove the asbestos laden buggy over dirt roads that have never seen a regulation; we didn't really need seat belts, traffic markers, or complete asbestos abatement; but we've done all of that.

Please tell me the reason you feel that we shouldn't make our elections as sterile a process as possible. As mentioned, the ability to make an ID with a picture on it is readily available, cheap to acquire, and institutions have been doing it for about 50 years now....

Because we should not let every farce and conspiracy to fuck up a basically sterile process. There are many other things that can be done besides what has been suggested.

In the course of millions of recorded votes and voters, it is virtually certain that there will be clerical errors. Often, what appears to be voter fraud—a person attempting to vote under a false name, for example — can be traced back to a typo.

Errors in the poll books. In a jurisdiction of any significant size, it is unfortunately easy to make an entry in the poll book next to the wrong voter’s name. For example, despite having died in 1997, Alan J. Mandel was alleged to have voted in 1998; upon further investigation, Alan J. Mandell (two “l”s), who was very much alive and voting at the time, explained that local election workers simply checked the wrong name off of the list.19 The same problem may occur when information from a poll book is entered incorrectly into a county’s computer system, as in Milwaukee in 2004.20 Or voters — legitimate voters — may make a mistake: a 1994 investigation of fraud allegations in California, for example, revealed that voters accidentally signed the poll books on the wrong lines, next to the names of deceased voters.

The Truth About Voter Fraud

This is just one example.

 

[protectionist]

And there are many more.

FALSE! "Many" is an incorrect word in this case. Actually there are relatively very few.

 

[IM2]

And according to the Brennan Center, voter fraud is basically non existent. According to the logic of those like yourself we all should pay income tax for lottery winnings even though our chances to win the lottery is 1 in several million.

What a joke. The Brennan Center is about as biased as anything could ever be. It is a lobbying group for illegal aliens wanting to vote with as much ease as possible. It's 100% in favor of voter fraud continuing, by pretending it doesn't exist. The Brennan Center calls itself a voting rights advocate org. Trouble is, it advocates for voting rights for EVERYBODY, when only American citziens have the right to vote in US elections.

This is what liberals do. They find a liberal group that agrees with what they're pushing, then they use them and their laughingstock "study" as a ruse to influence people to agree with them.

Voter fraud by illegal aliens has been routine for 70 years. Nothing in existence to stop it.

Yeah we know. Everything is biased that doesn't support your crazy beliefs.

 

[protectionist]

Because we should not let every farce and conspiracy to fuck up a basically sterile process. There are many other things that can be done besides what has been suggested.

In the course of millions of recorded votes and voters, it is virtually certain that there will be clerical errors. Often, what appears to be voter fraud—a person attempting to vote under a false name, for example — can be traced back to a typo.

Errors in the poll books. In a jurisdiction of any significant size, it is unfortunately easy to make an entry in the poll book next to the wrong voter’s name. For example, despite having died in 1997, Alan J. Mandel was alleged to have voted in 1998; upon further investigation, Alan J. Mandell (two “l”s), who was very much alive and voting at the time, explained that local election workers simply checked the wrong name off of the list.19 The same problem may occur when information from a poll book is entered incorrectly into a county’s computer system, as in Milwaukee in 2004.20 Or voters — legitimate voters — may make a mistake: a 1994 investigation of fraud allegations in California, for example, revealed that voters accidentally signed the poll books on the wrong lines, next to the names of deceased voters.

The Truth About Voter Fraud

This is just one example.

This is all minor. MILLIONS of illegal aliens protected by felon Democrats in sanctuary cities, so they can vote Democrat, is major.

 

[protectionist]

How old were you the first time you deep-throated a nightstick?

Never did. I'm law abiding.

 

[IM2]

And there are many more.

FALSE! "Many" is an incorrect word in this case. Actually there are relatively very few.

I said many and that's what I meant.

The most common source of superficial claims of voter fraud, and the most common source of error, probably involves matching voter rolls against each other or against some other source to find alleged double voters, dead voters, or otherwise ineligible voters.

Errors in the underlying data. Some such matches fail to account for errors or default entries in the underlying data. In New Jersey in 2005, for example, examiners alleged fraud by individuals on the voter rolls in two different places whose first and last names and birthdates matched, including a woman named Mary Johnson.25 Closer examination, however, showed that some of the matching birthdates in question were January 1, 1880, which was simply a system default for missing information.26 In reality, the examiners had found only two different women named “Mary Johnson,” with no relevant birthdate information at all.

Partial matches. Other matches neglect middle names or suffixes: in the same New Jersey procedure described above, for example, James A. Smith and James G. Smith were presumed to be the same person, as were J. T. Kearns and J. T. Kearns, Jr.27 Similarly, in New Hampshire, 22 pairs of people who shared the same first and last names were flagged for possible double-voting; in fact, all of the flagged voters had different middle names.28 And in one of the more infamous examples of inappropriate matching, a vendor preparing a set of voters to be purged in Florida in 2000 found “matches” in the first name if the first four letters were the same on two different lists, and “matches” in the last name if 80% of the letters were the same.29 The final set of voters to be purged, of course, contained the names of many individuals whose records had been falsely matched.30

The “birthdate” problem. Even given an exact match, however, two entries with the same name and birthdate may not represent the same individual. Statistics students are often surprised to discover that in a group of 23 people, it is more likely than not that two will share the same month and day of birth; in a group of 180, two will probably share the same birthdate. In any group of significant size, statistics teaches that there will be many with the same first and last names — and it is likely that at least two such voters will be born on the same day.31 It should not therefore be surprising, for example, that “Kathleen Sullivan” was most likely listed twice on the rolls of 2004 New Jersey voters not because one woman drove the length of the state to cast a second ballot, but because two women named Kathleen Sullivan happen to share the same birthdate.3

The Truth About Voter Fraud

 

[protectionist]

Yeah we know. Everything is biased that doesn't support your crazy beliefs.

I forgot to put in the link to the Brennan center's bias. It's there now. They openly call themselves a voting rights advocate. (of course they don't mention they support voting rights for illegal aliens)

 

[IM2]

Because we should not let every farce and conspiracy to fuck up a basically sterile process. There are many other things that can be done besides what has been suggested.

In the course of millions of recorded votes and voters, it is virtually certain that there will be clerical errors. Often, what appears to be voter fraud—a person attempting to vote under a false name, for example — can be traced back to a typo.

Errors in the poll books. In a jurisdiction of any significant size, it is unfortunately easy to make an entry in the poll book next to the wrong voter’s name. For example, despite having died in 1997, Alan J. Mandel was alleged to have voted in 1998; upon further investigation, Alan J. Mandell (two “l”s), who was very much alive and voting at the time, explained that local election workers simply checked the wrong name off of the list.19 The same problem may occur when information from a poll book is entered incorrectly into a county’s computer system, as in Milwaukee in 2004.20 Or voters — legitimate voters — may make a mistake: a 1994 investigation of fraud allegations in California, for example, revealed that voters accidentally signed the poll books on the wrong lines, next to the names of deceased voters.

The Truth About Voter Fraud

This is just one example.

This is all minor. MILLIONS of illegal aliens protected by felon Democrats in sanctuary cities, so they can vote Democrat, is major.

This is not minor nor are democrats protecting anything to get votes.

 

[IM2]

Yeah we know. Everything is biased that doesn't support your crazy beliefs.

I forgot to put in the link to the Brennan center's bias. It's there now. They openly call themselves a voting rights advocate. (of course they don't mention they support voting rights for illegal aliens)

There is no link just like there is no bias.

 

[protectionist]

I said many and that's what I meant.

I know. And I corrected you that no, there are NOT relatively "many" cops who act like lawless thugs, as Jaraxle said.

 

[protectionist]

There is no link just like there is no bias.

Florida NAACP v. Browning

 

[IM2]

I said many and that's what I meant.

I know. And I corrected you that no, there are NOT relatively "many" cops who act like lawless thugs, as Jaraxle said.

You've corrected nothing.

 

[IM2]

There is no link just like there is no bias.

Florida NAACP v. Browning

And this proves exactly what?

 

[protectionist]

This is not minor nor are democrats protecting anything to get votes.

They did. They voted as a block against the Stop Sanctuary cities bill >> What's the matter ? didn't the liberal OMISSION media report it ?

Senate Democrats blocked legislation that would punish “sanctuary cities” in a 54-45 vote Tuesday afternoon.

The bill, called the Stop Sanctuary Policies and Protect Americans Act, needed to overcome a 60-vote threshold. It would withhold certain federal funding from states or cities that refuse to comply with requests from federal immigration officials to turn over immigrants who are in the country illegally.



See How Your Senators Voted on Sanctuary Cities