eagle1462010
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--------------------------- Thank YOU Bode , and i mean , what good are the old Senior like me good for eh ?? What good as many Seniors less robust then i have bones thathurt , they are going senile , their teeth are falling out , eyes are going but they need to eat at least once a day . And senility already mentioned but do - femi nazi - type women go senile as they age and how old are you Bode ??Remember when trumpanzees made up lies about "death camps", folks?you feckin 'seniors' are old anyway Camp . What good is there in keeping you old , unhealthy , frail senior guys going over the good of the USA even if the 'pap' you post was true Camp ?? [just my attitude Camp]
Ah, the famous conservative goal post move.New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverageNo, they don't. If anyone needs care, they get it. There isn't anyone dying in the streets like you want us to believe.People go without healthcare now. There are not plenty of clinics for rhe poor. Free clinics are rare.Yep, not for those already on Medicare. No one is going to go without healthcare. There are plenty of clinics for the poor in this nation.Are you denying Republicans are not suggesting lowering Medicare and Medicaid benefits?
Then get a job that has health coverage. Oh, those are taken by illegals, sorry.
I read the article. There are no specifics about cuts in the article. The entire budget will have to be cut and that will include I hope returning social security and medicare to their original purpose and sequestering payroll taxes from the general fund. You may thank that leftist icon LBJ for placing social security taxes in the general fund. Before social security and medicare are cut any polictian desiring reelection must make across the board cuts in every federal expenditure. When you get something specific I would like to hear it. You leftists are like the boy who cried wolf. No one believes you anymore.Mitch McConnell.What politician would consider alienating over 40 million voters? What party would even entertain such an idea. That is a reach even for the "The Sky is falling" crowd.
Goal post move.We already have that. Do you think we have people collecting that didn't contribute? Can you show some evidence or link?How about not allowing Social Security to people that haven't paid into it?Mitch McConnell.What politician would consider alienating over 40 million voters? What party would even entertain such an idea. That is a reach even for the "The Sky is falling" crowd.Where does the money for refugees come from? Free medical, food, Housing, education, etc.We already have that. Do you think we have people collecting that didn't contribute? Can you show some evidence or link?How about not allowing Social Security to people that haven't paid into it?Mitch McConnell.What politician would consider alienating over 40 million voters? What party would even entertain such an idea. That is a reach even for the "The Sky is falling" crowd.
So, voters have to decide if they want to risk losing programs that have successfully served and protected Americans for generations or throw it all away by voting for guys like Heller and his fellow Republicans. Maybe exchange a bunch of proven programs for a gamble with privatization and a toss of the dice.
Notice the liar posts no "evidence"? That's because it's a lie.If Nevada Sen. Dean Heller is re-elected he could be the deciding vote to reduce or even kill Medicare and other benefits that help senior citizens and veterans. Heller is in favor of more tax cuts for rhe wealthiest Americans and paying for them by taking away important benefits to veterans and seniors. He may very well be the deciding vote.
OK, I think I checked out the AARP link in this thread. I guess we mostly hear from rhe extremes of this issue, like most issues. Moderates get ignored.So, voters have to decide if they want to risk losing programs that have successfully served and protected Americans for generations or throw it all away by voting for guys like Heller and his fellow Republicans. Maybe exchange a bunch of proven programs for a gamble with privatization and a toss of the dice.
Logically speaking, you are presenting an either or fallacy by driving to extremes. Either a program exists in it's current form or it is eliminated.
Not the case. There are meaningful reforms that can be made outside of those two extremes which will allow those protections to exist in the future. For example: Full retirement age has already been raised. Increasing the income cap from the current $127,000. Changing from a strickly payroll system to include passive income (interest, dividends, & capital gains from stocks). Means testing for "high income" retirees that have no need for Social Security. Etc.
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OK, I think I checked out the AARP link in this thread. I guess we mostly hear from rhe extremes of this issue, like most issues. Moderates get ignored.So, voters have to decide if they want to risk losing programs that have successfully served and protected Americans for generations or throw it all away by voting for guys like Heller and his fellow Republicans. Maybe exchange a bunch of proven programs for a gamble with privatization and a toss of the dice.
Logically speaking, you are presenting an either or fallacy by driving to extremes. Either a program exists in it's current form or it is eliminated.
Not the case. There are meaningful reforms that can be made outside of those two extremes which will allow those protections to exist in the future. For example: Full retirement age has already been raised. Increasing the income cap from the current $127,000. Changing from a strickly payroll system to include passive income (interest, dividends, & capital gains from stocks). Means testing for "high income" retirees that have no need for Social Security. Etc.
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Where is the lie? What specifically do you consider a lie in the post?Notice the liar posts no "evidence"? That's because it's a lie.If Nevada Sen. Dean Heller is re-elected he could be the deciding vote to reduce or even kill Medicare and other benefits that help senior citizens and veterans. Heller is in favor of more tax cuts for rhe wealthiest Americans and paying for them by taking away important benefits to veterans and seniors. He may very well be the deciding vote.
All of it.Where is the lie? What specifically do you consider a lie in the post?Notice the liar posts no "evidence"? That's because it's a lie.If Nevada Sen. Dean Heller is re-elected he could be the deciding vote to reduce or even kill Medicare and other benefits that help senior citizens and veterans. Heller is in favor of more tax cuts for rhe wealthiest Americans and paying for them by taking away important benefits to veterans and seniors. He may very well be the deciding vote.
None of it. You can not show a lie so you just say "all of it" so you don't have to be specific. I pointed out he voted for the Ryan budget in 2015 and it called for 140 billion dollars in cuts. All you have to do is Google or Bing "Ryan 2015 Budget" to confirm Heller already voted for slashing Medicare.All of it.Where is the lie? What specifically do you consider a lie in the post?Notice the liar posts no "evidence"? That's because it's a lie.If Nevada Sen. Dean Heller is re-elected he could be the deciding vote to reduce or even kill Medicare and other benefits that help senior citizens and veterans. Heller is in favor of more tax cuts for rhe wealthiest Americans and paying for them by taking away important benefits to veterans and seniors. He may very well be the deciding vote.
Prove it troll.None of it. You can not show a lie so you just say "all of it" so you don't have to be specific. I pointed out he voted for the Ryan budget in 2015 and it called for 140 billion dollars in cuts. All you have to do is Google or Bing "Ryan 2015 Budget" to confirm Heller already voted for slashing Medicare.All of it.Where is the lie? What specifically do you consider a lie in the post?Notice the liar posts no "evidence"? That's because it's a lie.If Nevada Sen. Dean Heller is re-elected he could be the deciding vote to reduce or even kill Medicare and other benefits that help senior citizens and veterans. Heller is in favor of more tax cuts for rhe wealthiest Americans and paying for them by taking away important benefits to veterans and seniors. He may very well be the deciding vote.
It may be the top wet dream of the 1%ers, but not of the Trump populists. We want them protected/saved, not bankrupt.It’s always been the republican wet dream to eliminate the two most successful government programs instituted by the two most hated democrat presidents.
It may be the top wet dream of the 1%ers, but not of the Trump populists. We want them protected/saved, not bankrupt.
Prove what? Heller voting for the Ryan budget to slash Medicare is enough proof for my OP.Prove it troll.None of it. You can not show a lie so you just say "all of it" so you don't have to be specific. I pointed out he voted for the Ryan budget in 2015 and it called for 140 billion dollars in cuts. All you have to do is Google or Bing "Ryan 2015 Budget" to confirm Heller already voted for slashing Medicare.All of it.Where is the lie? What specifically do you consider a lie in the post?Notice the liar posts no "evidence"? That's because it's a lie.If Nevada Sen. Dean Heller is re-elected he could be the deciding vote to reduce or even kill Medicare and other benefits that help senior citizens and veterans. Heller is in favor of more tax cuts for rhe wealthiest Americans and paying for them by taking away important benefits to veterans and seniors. He may very well be the deciding vote.