Modern conservatives sympathizing with The Confederacy... Is this a thing now?

[kaz]

Nope. One hardly ever sees a Confederate flag in the South. No, sir.

Yes, you showed a bunch of pictures. Maybe you should get off your ass from behind a computer and expereince some actual life

 

[g5000]

I have lived in the South a long time and I have hardly seen any Confederate flags ever.

Wow. You really do walk around with your eyes clamped shut, don't you.

I'm sure every one of them is a Democrat...

Wow, you found pictures of confederate flags, that sure proves you see them all over the south...

I lived in the Deep South so I know you are lying through your teeth, or a willfully blind monkey.

 

[bripat9643]

After reading through all of this, it seems that the people most likely to defend the Confederacy are:

Strawman. OK, race whore, we are defending secession, not "the confederacy." Stop being a dick and present our position correctly

*Conservative

Wrong, I'm a libertarian

*Southern

Wrong, I'm a northerner, I just live in the south

I get that no one actually wants to support slavery, they just want to support the act of rebellion, because they feel that it's an American principle or something.

Wrong, we oppose your socialist edifice and want you to stop forcing it on us

I guess myself, and the other moderates/liberals/anti-Confederate conservatives, don't look at it the same way.

No, you look at it through a fog of stupidity

I am VERY pro-equality, regardless of what's in or isn't in the Constitution. I don't look at the Confederacy as a rag tag group of rebels fighting for American values, I see a group of people that couldn't socially progress at the same rate as the other regions in the nation, and paid the price for their ignorance. I don't see anything to celebrate. If I want to celebrate American rebellion, I'll read about the Revolutionary War

You are equality of results regardless of the effort put in. We are equality of opportunity. You are correct that we don't look at it the same way. Other than that, it's like your whole life, wrong on pretty much everything. Starting with your test scores, probably why you can't follow a conversation and you want government to give you the money you won't/can't earn

I don't know why you're so angry, I was just pointing out some observations. I never once said "everyone" or you specifically, I stated "people most likely". I don't know why you're freaking out, but you need to get a hold of yourself. It's pathetic.





Also, 'libertarian'?
Don't make me laugh. I have VERY seldom met a 'libertarian' that wasn't just a conservative without the guts to commit to the label. Looking through some of your posting history shows me that you're just another one of these..
Trying to discredit what I said above is like me calling you a dog, and you going "Wrong, I'm a cocker spaniel." You're not fooling anyone, least of all me.


You have every right to support the secession of the Confederacy. I'm not going to try to convince you of your ignorance, but don't misrepresent your ignorant opinions as fact. That's just embarrassing for everyone involved. Also, reading comprehension of the phrase 'people most likely' would have saved us from seeing your pitiful emotional outburst. Please use better judgement when posting.

Thanks.

Sorry but you can't be a real libertarian and support Lincoln's War.

I would never claim the title of 'libertarian'. I think it's a foolish ideology that has no hope of ever working in reality.

Somalia is the closest thing the world has to a 'libertarian government'. What a joke.

Somalia is anarchy, it's not libertarian

No, it's not really anarchy either. Somalia has plenty of government. It's a form of feudalism were the country is broken up into a collection of fiefdoms each ruled by it's own warlord.

 

[g5000]

How do you know they aren't Democrats?

Here is Obama's base:

 

[bripat9643]

I have lived in the South a long time and I have hardly seen any Confederate flags ever.

Wow. You really do walk around with your eyes clamped shut, don't you.

I'm sure every one of them is a Democrat...

Wow, you found pictures of confederate flags, that sure proves you see them all over the south...

I lived in the Deep South so I know you are lying through your teeth, or a willfully blind monkey.

Columbus Georgia is about as deep in the South as you can get. I lived there 2 1/2 years, and I don't recall ever seeing a Confederate flag.

 

[g5000]

Another big Obama supporter:

 

[g5000]

I have lived in the South a long time and I have hardly seen any Confederate flags ever.

Wow. You really do walk around with your eyes clamped shut, don't you.

I'm sure every one of them is a Democrat...

Wow, you found pictures of confederate flags, that sure proves you see them all over the south...

I lived in the Deep South so I know you are lying through your teeth, or a willfully blind monkey.

Columbus Georgia is about as deep in the South as you can get. I lived there 2 1/2 years, and I don't recall ever seeing a Confederate flag.

I guarantee I could spend five minutes there and find one.

 

[-S-]

As far as the discussion on Confederate flags in the south, the part of TN I live in has a handful of cars and pick up trucks with confederate stickers, and at least two trucks have flags hanging out of the bed.

The county is OVERWHELMINGLY conservative Republican. Even this gay woman that ran for mayor last year was a Republican (somehow).

 

[g5000]

 

[rightwinger]

That was bullshit

It was never a practical option

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Hmmm, so? Isn't that why you claim Southerners were scum who deserved to be raped, murdered and pillaged?

The slave rapers are complaing about how they were treated?

A nation that was formed for the sole purpose of maintaining four million people in bondage is complaining about how they are treated?

Hypocrites

 

[g5000]

Confederate Memorial Day Marker - Historic Markers Across Georgia

The first Confederate Memorial Day service in Columbus was held on this site (St. Luke Methodist Church) on April 26, 1866. The program was under the auspices of the ladies´ Memorial Association, which was organized in the early Spring of 1866 for the purpose of holding a Memorial service each year honoring the Confederate dead.

 

[gipper]

Some seem to think anyone displaying the Confederate flag is a white supremacist (like Dishonest Abe). I suspect much like the reasons Southerns fought Lincoln's invasion, it is not so simply defined.

 

[-S-]

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Hmmm, so? Isn't that why you claim Southerners were scum who deserved to be raped, murdered and pillaged?

The slave rapers are complaing about how they were treated?

A nation that was formed for the sole purpose of maintaining four million people in bondage is complaining about how they are treated?

Hypocrites

What you call hypocrisy, I call good, ol' fashioned, southern conservative values.

The south will rise again, ya'll..

 

[OKTexas]

They simply cannot justify slavery though for it is morally, ethically, and legally wrong and always has been.

So the belief that States can secede from the union now means we believe in slavery.

Um...OK?

Have you ever been tested to see if you have an IQ?

You dont have a right to secede first ....Second If you are a supporter of confederates you support slavery since that was what they were about....I know you like to believe they were for states rights but the only right they cared about was the one that wrongly said they could own people.

kaz: I don't support the confederacy, I support the right of secession.

Thanatos: Duh, dar, drool, oh, that means you support slavery since you support the confederacy. Drool, drool

Thanks for showing all stupid people are not liberals. Sometimes it seems that way, but I think it's important to remember you're well represented on the right too

Maybe you should read what I wrote dumbass. There is no right to secede. None. It is not in the constitution or bill of rights.....These little truth seem to stump you.

Wrong, there is nothing in the Constitution that would prevent succession, the 10th Amendment says if the power is not granted to the federal government by the Constitution it doesn't exist, so any power regarding succession is reserved to the States. So your perceived truth is a lie.

 

[bripat9643]

That is not the point silly senior dude.

The point is, which sadly I must spell it out for you due to you lack of...something, Lincoln considered deporting all blacks and hoped to get it accomplished in his second term. It was not practical, but it should tell you something about your beloved Dishonest Abe, but you being you, I have no hope.

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Hmmm, so? Isn't that why you claim Southerners were scum who deserved to be raped, murdered and pillaged?

The slave rapers are complaing about how they were treated?

A nation that was formed for the sole purpose of maintaining four million people in bondage is complaining about how they are treated?

Hypocrites

I'm pointing out your hympocrisy, numskull. Your hero Lincoln is guilty of exactly what you condemn Southerners of.

BTW, some of the most prolific slave rapers during the war were union troops.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Hmmm, so? Isn't that why you claim Southerners were scum who deserved to be raped, murdered and pillaged?

The slave rapers are complaing about how they were treated?

A nation that was formed for the sole purpose of maintaining four million people in bondage is complaining about how they are treated?

Hypocrites

What you call hypocrisy, I call good, ol' fashioned, southern conservative values.

The south will rise again, ya'll..

You mean the same values as your hero Abe Lincoln?

 

[Skylar]

I've seen at least three conservatives on this site talk about how Lincoln and the Union were wrong, and that the Confederacy should have been allowed to secede the way they did, and were on the right side of history..

Is this a popular stance among conservatives of today? Are they really pro-Confederacy when they look back on the Civil War? Or are there just a couple crazies here and there?

(This thread may also help the 'Gay Marriage' thread from being further derailed with Civil War arguments. Figured it was worth a shot haha)

Yup. Neo-confederate arguments are actually pretty central to the far right political philosophy. They believe in smaller government with less regulation. They don't have the votes for it. But they do have the votes prevent the government from functioning. Its called 'starving the beast'. Where they obstruct and defund until the government can no longer function.

The 2013 shut down was an expression of this philosophy. The defunding of the IRS is another expression.

 

[Skylar]

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Hmmm, so? Isn't that why you claim Southerners were scum who deserved to be raped, murdered and pillaged?

The slave rapers are complaing about how they were treated?

A nation that was formed for the sole purpose of maintaining four million people in bondage is complaining about how they are treated?

Hypocrites

What you call hypocrisy, I call good, ol' fashioned, southern conservative values.

The south will rise again, ya'll..

You mean the same values as your hero Abe Lincoln?

Abe's primary philosophy during the civil war was the preservation of the union.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, the country of Liberia was formed for free slaves

Lincoln understood what bunch of racist assholes existed in the south and doubted if blacks could ever be "free" there. As it is, Lincoln was right and it took force 100 years later to finally give blacks freedom in the south

ROFL! So Lincoln's plan to send them back to Africa was to protect them from American racists? I've got news for you, bub, Lincoln was a white supremacist:

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, Charlston IL, 1858​

1858?

That opinion was held by southerners for 100 years after Lincoln said that

Hmmm, so? Isn't that why you claim Southerners were scum who deserved to be raped, murdered and pillaged?

The slave rapers are complaing about how they were treated?

A nation that was formed for the sole purpose of maintaining four million people in bondage is complaining about how they are treated?

Hypocrites

I'm pointing out your hympocrisy, numskull. Your hero Lincoln is guilty of exactly what you condemn Southerners of.

BTW, some of the most prolific slave rapers during the war were union troops.

You reap what you sow

The south got less than 10% of the pain and suffering they inflicted on others

 

[bripat9643]

I've seen at least three conservatives on this site talk about how Lincoln and the Union were wrong, and that the Confederacy should have been allowed to secede the way they did, and were on the right side of history..

Is this a popular stance among conservatives of today? Are they really pro-Confederacy when they look back on the Civil War? Or are there just a couple crazies here and there?

(This thread may also help the 'Gay Marriage' thread from being further derailed with Civil War arguments. Figured it was worth a shot haha)

Yup. Neo-confederate arguments are actually pretty central to the far right political philosophy. They believe in smaller government with less regulation. They don't have the votes for it. But they do have the votes prevent the government from functioning. Its called 'starving the beast'. Where they obstruct and defund until the government can no longer function.

The 2013 shut down was an expression of this philosophy. The defunding of the IRS is another expression.

$4 trillion isn't enough for the government to function?