Mom leaves abortion clinic after seeing ultrasound

[Zoom-boing]

Disagree. Women considering abortion should be shown an ultra sound so they know that what's inside them is, in fact, a human being not some blob of cells.

It should be up to the woman. How can you force what she sees in a very stressful situation? I want to make you cry first

The idea that women need to be shamed or terrorized before making an abortion decision is what makes conservatives repulsive

Let me shove this up your vagina before I approve your abortion

Another one who doesn't believe in fully informing a woman of what the abortion she is about to have will end ... the life of another.

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

Another moron who assumes women are so stupid they don't know what a fetus looks like

More conservative shaming and terrorizing women

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform an abortion?

 

[Care4all]

It should be up to the woman. How can you force what she sees in a very stressful situation? I want to make you cry first

The idea that women need to be shamed or terrorized before making an abortion decision is what makes conservatives repulsive

Let me shove this up your vagina before I approve your abortion

Another one who doesn't believe in fully informing a woman of what the abortion she is about to have will end ... the life of another.

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

Another moron who assumes women are so stupid they don't know what a fetus looks like

More conservative shaming and terrorizing women

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform an abortion?

no, they don't....that's why this is an issue....

 

[Zoom-boing]

Another one who doesn't believe in fully informing a woman of what the abortion she is about to have will end ... the life of another.

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

Another moron who assumes women are so stupid they don't know what a fetus looks like

More conservative shaming and terrorizing women

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform an abortion?

no, they don't....that's why this is an issue....

So they go in blind to end the life of the unborn? How do they know where to put the knife?

 

[Neotrotsky]

It should be up to the woman. How can you force what she sees in a very stressful situation? I want to make you cry first

The idea that women need to be shamed or terrorized before making an abortion decision is what makes conservatives repulsive

Let me shove this up your vagina before I approve your abortion

Another one who doesn't believe in fully informing a woman of what the abortion she is about to have will end ... the life of another.

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

Another moron who assumes women are so stupid they don't know what a fetus looks like

More conservative shaming and terrorizing women

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

By not providing her the information per an ultra sound, you're dissuading her to have the abortion ... because she doesn't have all the facts. Like the fact that the decision to abort her unborn offspring permanently ends a life.

It causes no harm, it provides her more information, it allows her to make a fully informed decision, it allows her to process what she is about to do, which is to end the life of another human being. And your ilk is against that. Figures.

and the left is concerned with "Oscars"

The leading cause of death in the African American community is abortion


Higher than AIDS, violent crimes, accidents, cancer and heart disease combined. African Americans are disproportionately impacted by abortion. While representing only 13% of the female population in the U.S., black women account for 35% of the nation’s abortions

US Center for Disease Control
US Census Bureau



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[Care4all]

i'm glad this woman chose to keep her baby to be.... It sounds like this is what she wanted to do all along, but let her ex fiance talk her in to one....

I don't believe the story about how she saw her ultrasound pics by happenstance as she claims, thus ''this'' being the trigger to walk out because so much of the ''story'' makes no sense what so ever, in the brief manner it was described....especially since she was the one getting the ultra sound and the monitor and pics of the child would have been right there before her eyes...

It is apparent that she loved this loser of a man deeply, or else she would not have continued to sleep with him after he gave her the ultimate shaft and walked away on their wedding day..... and it is apparent that she never wanted this abortion in the first place...at least in my humble opinion

 

[Care4all]

Another moron who assumes women are so stupid they don't know what a fetus looks like

More conservative shaming and terrorizing women

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform an abortion?

no, they don't....that's why this is an issue....

So they go in blind to end the life of the unborn? How do they know where to put the knife?

it's basically a D & C, a scraping of the lining of the uterus, that many women need for other medical problems...like endometriosis or after a miscarriage.... the entire lining is scraped and vacuumed....no ultrasound is needed, nor could it be done at the same time.... the ultra sound is done with a big wand, stuck in through your vagina to get those pics, most of the time.... there is a topical sonogram that can be done, but it is not that accurate.... when pregnant, this d & c procedure is labeled an abortion....by laymen.
NOTE!
This is if the pregnancy is in the early stage, the scraping of the lining of the uterus is done....I believe the abortion could be different as the baby to be grows....but not 100% on what the procedure actually is....?

 

[9aces]

Disagree. Women considering abortion should be shown an ultra sound so they know that what's inside them is, in fact, a human being not some blob of cells.

It should be up to the woman. How can you force what she sees in a very stressful situation? I want to make you cry first

The idea that women need to be shamed or terrorized before making an abortion decision is what makes conservatives repulsive

Let me shove this up your vagina before I approve your abortion

Another one who doesn't believe in fully informing a woman of what the abortion she is about to have will end ... the life of another.

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

Another moron who assumes women are so stupid they don't know what a fetus looks like

More conservative shaming and terrorizing women

Is their convenience or their child's death of greater value?

Raising a family is not a convenience

It is a major endeavor. Unfortunately, women have to bear a disproportionate share of the burden.

Leaving it to the woman and her doctor to decide is preferable to leaving it to conservatives who don't give a shit once the baby is born

You give no shits whether they're born or not. You care only that someone not be inconvenienced by a decision they made to engage in an act that the purpose of which is reproduction.

You seek to evade the law of causality. It cannot be evaded.

 

[bodecea]

‘I saw little arms, little legs, and a head!’: Mom leaves abortion clinic after seeing ultrasound Imagine that. The baby killers don't want women to be made to see the HUMAN BEING they are killing when having an abortion.

Pro-choice advocates want it to be the woman's choice, not the state's.

You mean the woman's choice to kill the baby.

baby? is it viable?

 

[Zoom-boing]

How will an ultra sound shame or terrorize her? Why shouldn't she be given all information prior to making such a difficult, and permanent, decision?

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform the abortion? Is that shoved into her? Does that make her cry? Does that terrorize her?

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform an abortion?

no, they don't....that's why this is an issue....

So they go in blind to end the life of the unborn? How do they know where to put the knife?

it's basically a D & C, a scraping of the lining of the uterus, that many women need for other medical problems...like endometriosis or after a miscarriage.... the entire lining is scraped and vacuumed....no ultrasound is needed, nor could it be done at the same time.... the ultra sound is done with a big wand, stuck in through your vagina to get those pics, most of the time.... there is a topical sonogram that can be done, but it is not that accurate.... when pregnant, this d & c procedure is labeled an abortion....by laymen.
NOTE!
This is if the pregnancy is in the early stage, the scraping of the lining of the uterus is done....I believe the abortion could be different as the baby to be grows....but not 100% on what the procedure actually is....?

So they go in blind and just scrape and suck everything out.

No wonder they don't want women getting an ultra sound before an abortion.

 

[Arianrhod]

That fetus is a human being. There is zero scientific dispute about this.

Prove it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do you advocate the death penalty for women who have abortions? Would you make that the law?

Yes, absolutely. And for anyone else who has a willing part in it.

There are few crimes that ought to be seen as greater than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child; and if anyone deserves to be put to death, it would be anyone who willingly participated in such a crime.

There are few posts as ignorant and as moronic as this one.

Abortion is not 'murder,' an embryo/fetus is not a 'child,' to maintain otherwise is unmitigated idiocy.

Such is the bane of the social right and the extremism of authoritarian conservatives.

 

[Care4all]

You're missing the point – perhaps intentionally.

The issue has nothing to do with providing a woman considering abortion with comprehensive information concerning abortion per her request; no one 'opposes' affording a woman such information – again, per her request.

The issue concerns compelling a woman, against her will, through force of law, in bad faith by government, to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure for no other reason then to attempt to dissuade her from having an abortion.

And yes, as a fact of medical science an ultrasound is not medically necessary:

“Routine ultrasound is not considered medically necessary as a component of a first-trimester abortion.”
State Ultrasound Requirements in Abortion Procedure

Given the fact ultrasounds are not medically necessary, there is no rationale or justification for the state to compel a woman seeking a lawful abortion to be subject to such a procedure as a condition of her exercising her right to privacy.

Don't they use an ultra sound when they perform an abortion?

no, they don't....that's why this is an issue....

So they go in blind to end the life of the unborn? How do they know where to put the knife?

it's basically a D & C, a scraping of the lining of the uterus, that many women need for other medical problems...like endometriosis or after a miscarriage.... the entire lining is scraped and vacuumed....no ultrasound is needed, nor could it be done at the same time.... the ultra sound is done with a big wand, stuck in through your vagina to get those pics, most of the time.... there is a topical sonogram that can be done, but it is not that accurate.... when pregnant, this d & c procedure is labeled an abortion....by laymen.
NOTE!
This is if the pregnancy is in the early stage, the scraping of the lining of the uterus is done....I believe the abortion could be different as the baby to be grows....but not 100% on what the procedure actually is....?

So they go in blind and just scrape and suck everything out.

No wonder they don't want women getting an ultra sound before an abortion.

if aborting 8 weeks or less you truly can't see a thing in the ultrasound that looks like a baby....the baby to be is about 1/2 inch in size at 8 weeks, the size of a pea at 7 weeks, very unrecognizable, unless the ultrasound tech is explaining what she sees when the ultrasound is being done on the monitor, and even then it's a blind belief in what she is saying she sees.... at 9 to 10 weeks, just that one extra week or two, they see more....I believe it's an embryo prior to about 10 weeks or so, then it becomes a fetus....where the beginnings of everything on the baby is formed.....not fully formed, but little specs are there in the right spots to begin their growing, arms legs torso heart brain kidneys lungs etc....the lungs are the last to become fully formed and this is why premature babies, 7-8 months or less have real problems when born, breathing.....

Now they have 4D ultrasounds available in some radiology centers, but are very very expensive compared to the standard ultrasound....but they are much better and more clear, from what I have read on it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Mom leaves abortion clinic after seeing ultrasound"

And as usual most conservatives miss the point.

The right to privacy concerns the right to make personal decisions absent unwarranted interference from the state; that includes the decision to have an abortion, or to not have an abortion, where the decision to have an abortion is just as appropriate as deciding not to.

Moreover, this anecdotal account is in no way 'justification' to mandate through force of law that a woman view an ultrasound as a condition of exercising her right to privacy; indeed, such mandates have been permanently enjoined in two states.

As usual you miss the point.

That fetus is a human being. There is zero scientific dispute about this.

What you're arguing is when a human being has rights...most importantly, the right to live. When you start arguing when a human being has rights, when do you stop? When it's only people of certain colors, sexes, religious creeds?

No someone should not be forced to view the ultrasound of that human being. But they do need to understand to have an abortion performed will kill a human being.

Red herring fallacy.

This is an issue of Constitutional law, where since the advent of the Republic it has been settled, accepted, and beyond dispute that one does not manifest as a person entitled to Constitutional protections until he is born, including the right to due process; consequently, abortion is not 'murder,' and an embryo fetus is not a 'person.'

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

An appendix is not a human being. A fetus is not a body part. It is not a separate species. It is a stage of development. Adolescence is a stage of development. Are they not human?

And an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to Constitutional protections, where the mother's protected liberty is paramount.

This is typical of those hostile to privacy rights: to focus solely on an embryo/fetus devoid of rights while ignoring the woman whose rights they seek to violate.

 

[Care4all]

Do you advocate the death penalty for women who have abortions? Would you make that the law?

Yes, absolutely. And for anyone else who has a willing part in it.

There are few crimes that ought to be seen as greater than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child; and if anyone deserves to be put to death, it would be anyone who willingly participated in such a crime.

There are few posts as ignorant and as moronic as this one.

Abortion is not 'murder,' an embryo/fetus is not a 'child,' to maintain otherwise is unmitigated idiocy.

Such is the bane of the social right and the extremism of authoritarian conservatives.

I agree it is not murder.... But it IS a growing human 'baby to be'... the mother is ''expecting a baby'' is what we called being pregnant when I was young...

it is not fully formed, it does not have person-hood until it breathes it's first breath, or can survive outside of the mother's womb....but it is a human, being formed....I wish people would just admit this truth....

it is, and should be a difficult decision to make by the mother to be.... I don't believe the govt should be making this decision for anyone, it's none of their bees wax, but....you and I would not be here at all, if we did not go through the embryo and fetus stages of being formed.

Biblical-ly, God first formed Adam (man), but Adam did not have human LIFE, until he breathed life in to him, until Adam took his first breath.....embryos and fetuses are the 'forming' stages....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is, after all, the same ideology that thinks that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

Modern liberalism is the result of abandoning morality and reason to embrace madness and evil.

With 'morality' being you making choices on a woman's reproduction rather than the woman herself?

I don't think the word means what you think it means. As stripping women of their rights isn't a matter of morality.

It is not about a “choices on a woman's reproduction”. It is about the cold-blooded killing of an innocent human being. You think you are refuting my point, but in fact, you appear to be proving it.

Such a callous, soulless disregard for human life can only come from a being who has abandoned all decency, and embraced evil.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Do you advocate that anyone killing those two cells go to prison?

You want to send 17 year old girls to prison?

No, not really.

Murderers should be put to death. The willful and needless taking of an innocent human life is the ultimate act of evil, by which one forfeits one's own humanity.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

And it's why their heads explode when it's suggested that an ultra sound be part of the information given to a women prior to her getting an abortion, so she can make a fully informed decision. I thought progressive were in favor of educating the masses?

When wrong-wingers say “educate”, what they often really mean is to indoctrinate.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You're advocating a medical procedure that has no use...medically.

In connection with another “medical procedure” that is really a homicide, and which goes against what medicine is supposed to be about.

True medicine is about saving lives, and improving lives; not about snuffing them out. An abortionist is not a physician, but a paid hitman.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Do you advocate the death penalty for women who have abortions? Would you make that the law?

Yes, absolutely. And for anyone else who has a willing part in it.

There are few crimes that ought to be seen as greater than the murder of an innocent, defenseless child; and if anyone deserves to be put to death, it would be anyone who willingly participated in such a crime.

There are few posts as ignorant and as moronic as this one.

Abortion is not 'murder,' an embryo/fetus is not a 'child,' to maintain otherwise is unmitigated idiocy.

Such is the bane of the social right and the extremism of authoritarian conservatives.

Denying the humanity of those whose abuse and murder you defend is nothing new, nor does it put you in particularly respectable company.

And an embryo/fetus is not a 'person' entitled to Constitutional protections…

The same used to be held true about Negroes. That was wrong, then, just as it is now.