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your comprehension is worse than I thought.....this part obviously.....---
Which part(s) i mentioned were "made up"?
"And then he got the idea to create a Jesus myth to sell his "authority" and convert suckers, pretending he was a convert himself after "seeing" a resurrected Jesus."......
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That statement is an interpretation on recorded events which themselves are interpretations.
The Bible is full of stories and their interpretations, no?
Or, do you believe Eve was created from Adam's rib instead of from scratch?
except that our genetic eve was a few hundred thousand years older than our genetic adam
so you figure men evolved first, hung around for a couple of hundred thousand years and then women evolved?........
bible said man was first, had a wife who wanted to be his equal, didn't work out well
then the same is true about life climbing out of mud puddles after being struck by lightening....Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.I have exactly as much proof of what I believe as you have of yours?.......does that make your beliefs fantasies as well?......So you have no proof? Got it. So basically, it's all fantasy.lol......you want proof?......if you had proof it wouldn't be a choice.......
I see why you don't believe in free choice....you want a life where everything is handed to you and you cannot refute it.......I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.
You're not agnostic. You sound like an ignoramus every time you say that.1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.I have exactly as much proof of what I believe as you have of yours?.......does that make your beliefs fantasies as well?......
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
no.....the statement is shit you made up......this part obviously.....At least the parts that you made up because you don't like the original.---
Paul did not know Jesus and never met him in reality. His initial reaction to the newly formed Christian movement was to zealously persecute its early followers and to violently attempt to destroy the movement.
And them he got the idea to create a Jesus myth to sell his "authority" and convert suckers, pretending he was a convert himself after "seeing" a resurrected Jesus.
His con game was effective, and he proceeded to write much of the NT crap or his name was used in the holy book publications by other con men.
And now you know the rest of the amazing story!
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Which part(s) i mentioned were "made up"?
"And then he got the idea to create a Jesus myth to sell his "authority" and convert suckers, pretending he was a convert himself after "seeing" a resurrected Jesus."......
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That statement is an interpretation of recorded events which themselves are interpretations.
Let's see, there's the part about "create a Jesus myth". That was made up. Then there's the part about a "con game". That also was made up.At least the parts that you made up because you don't like the original.Paul appealed his case to Ceasar, Jesus did not. Paul traveled to Rome and preached there, Jesus did not. Naturally, Romans would have more documentation on him.IF he indeed ever existed.
So much Roman documentation on Paul - but not a single word about Jesus - it's all a bit odd.
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Paul did not know Jesus and never met him in reality. His initial reaction to the newly formed Christian movement was to zealously persecute its early followers and to violently attempt to destroy the movement.
And them he got the idea to create a Jesus myth to sell his "authority" and convert suckers, pretending he was a convert himself after "seeing" a resurrected Jesus.
His con game was effective, and he proceeded to write much of the NT crap or his name was used in the holy book publications by other con men.
And now you know the rest of the amazing story!
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Which part(s) i mentioned were "made up"?
Let's put your feeble hypothesis to the test. Saul was a high ranking, well respected, powerful Jewish Pharisee and a Roman citizen. He was about as well off as you could get in Israel at that time. Now, you want to say that he had the bright idea one day to just chuck all of that in the trash can and become a despised member of a movement that didn't accept him for over a decade, get the snot beat out of him multiple times, be stoned and left for dead, be ship wrecked, arrested and chained to a Roman guard for years, and ultimately executed in Rome.
Wow, that's an idiotic idea, to say the least.
1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.I have exactly as much proof of what I believe as you have of yours?.......does that make your beliefs fantasies as well?......
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
I seem to recall I have already stated I do not believe Eve was created from Adam's rib......do you pretend I do because you hope to find it easier to win this argument in that event.......if so, sorry......it sucks but you will have to come with a real argument this time.....no.....the statement is shit you made up......this part obviously.....At least the parts that you made up because you don't like the original.
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Which part(s) i mentioned were "made up"?
"And then he got the idea to create a Jesus myth to sell his "authority" and convert suckers, pretending he was a convert himself after "seeing" a resurrected Jesus."......
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That statement is an interpretation of recorded events which themselves are interpretations.
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And you believe the shit that was made up in the Book of Genesis?
That Eve came from Adam's rib?
Or was that an "interpretation" by Moses who misunderstood what God told him?
Seem like obvious mythology to me, but I am a rational scientist.
and ignorant of everything......score four......1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
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One can be agnostic about the existence of a "god", and atheistic about a god's existence as portrayed in the Torah/Bible/Quran, and ignostic about the meaning of "god".
Depending on the context, I am all three.
I don't believe in free choice? What am I, a fucking communist?I see why you don't believe in free choice....you want a life where everything is handed to you and you cannot refute it.......I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.
I'm an ignoramus because I demand proof before I can believe something? Umm... No.You're not agnostic. You sound like an ignoramus every time you say that.1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
It's the leading theory. I never claimed otherwise.then the same is true about life climbing out of mud puddles after being struck by lightening....Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.I have exactly as much proof of what I believe as you have of yours?.......does that make your beliefs fantasies as well?......So you have no proof? Got it. So basically, it's all fantasy.
Why would your god hide its existence on purpose? Isn't the point of the bible to get people to believe in that god? So if your god does exist, why would I need to follow a book to find it?Is that God's fault or science's limitation? IOW, why would you expect science to attempt to prove God's existence when it appears that most scientists would much rather prove the opposite? And, why do you think a being so superior to human science would allow Himself to be so limited that science could prove HIs existence? Science requires replicability. A given set of inputs generates a given set of outputs. Why would God limit Himself like that? He shows up at the Super Bowl half time show, does irrefutable miracles. Thousands believe, millions believe they're seeing special effects. 20 years later, science writes the whole thing off as a hoax, because it can't replicate anything that happened. See how that works? "Do a trick" is not a good way for God to demonstrate Himself, because there would be a never ending demand for more tricks to convince more unbelievers.That science can prove. Right now, science can't prove that an invisible being that made the universe in 6 days and then needed a day off even exists.1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
What do you mean by scientific proof?
and ignorant of everything......score four......1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
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One can be agnostic about the existence of a "god", and atheistic about a god's existence as portrayed in the Torah/Bible/Quran, and ignostic about the meaning of "god".
Depending on the context, I am all three.
I seem to recall I have already stated I do not believe Eve was created from Adam's rib......do you pretend I do because you hope to find it easier to win this argument in that event.......if so, sorry......it sucks but you will have to come with a real argument this time.....no.....the statement is shit you made up......this part obviously.....---
Which part(s) i mentioned were "made up"?
"And then he got the idea to create a Jesus myth to sell his "authority" and convert suckers, pretending he was a convert himself after "seeing" a resurrected Jesus."......
---
That statement is an interpretation of recorded events which themselves are interpretations.
---
And you believe the shit that was made up in the Book of Genesis?
That Eve came from Adam's rib?
Or was that an "interpretation" by Moses who misunderstood what God told him?
Seem like obvious mythology to me, but I am a rational scientist.
I don't believe in free choice? What am I, a fucking communist?I see why you don't believe in free choice....you want a life where everything is handed to you and you cannot refute it.......I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.
So proof of your god is too much to ask for? Man, that's whack!
No, you're an ignoramus because you obviously don't know what agnostic means.I'm an ignoramus because I demand proof before I can believe something? Umm... No.You're not agnostic. You sound like an ignoramus every time you say that.1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
So you're obviously going to enlighten me...No, you're an ignoramus because you obviously don't know what agnostic means.I'm an ignoramus because I demand proof before I can believe something? Umm... No.You're not agnostic. You sound like an ignoramus every time you say that.1. I'm agnostic, I see no proof either way for or against the possibility of a god. I'd need solid, TANGIBLE proof. Irrefutable proof proven by science.We don't have to prove anything. He'll do that on His own. Let's also establish some things.Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.
1. What's your level of proof? Some people set ridiculous standards, then move the goal posts when those standards are met. Basically, they're not going to believe, no matter what.
2. What difference would it make to you if you were forced to acknowledge God's existence?
2. The only way I'd be forced to accept god is with what I wrote for proof that I'd need. In that case, I'd have no problem acknowledging that god exists. In front of irrefutable scientific proof, I'd have no problem at all.
yes....does this somehow come as a surprise to you?.......its been clear for thousands of years......So proof of your god is too much to ask for?
not a theory....a theory needs to be testable.....its a statement of your faith, unproven.....by your standard, that makes it a fantasy......It's the leading theory. I never claimed otherwise.then the same is true about life climbing out of mud puddles after being struck by lightening....Right now your God is a fantasy until you can prove otherwise. Pretty simple really.no....you are antagonistic.......an agnostic would not state that a belief in God is a fantasy.......sorry, but apparently you are so confused you don't even know what you believe......I'm agnostic, I see no solid proof for or against the possibility or not of a god. The only rational position to have. You better stick to fantasy, it's easier and won't make you think too hard.I have exactly as much proof of what I believe as you have of yours?.......does that make your beliefs fantasies as well?......
