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[kaz]

God Bless Governor DeSantis.

This makes me weep. In Washington State, I was denied access to my husband in long term care for the last seven months of his life, only being allowed to touch him and hold him when it became apparent that his death was imminent. Two days.

I will never forgive the asshole so-called governor of Washington, Jay Inslee. My solace is that my husband despised him even more than I, for all the decades of his political career. The motherfucker will burn in hell for all the damage he did to Washington State. I hope the devil keeps video records.

God Bless Governor DeSantis.

First, my condolences. These politicians really are slime. They pull this then don't wear masks or quarantine. I agree with your conclusion where we will eventually be able to find the Washington governor.

I was in the hospital a couple months ago getting a bone marrow transplant. My mother is 83 and the hospital wouldn't let her see me because of covid. I was walking around my hospital wing for exercise and like 15 people were going in a room. Turned out the patient in that room was dying.

My question is why covid suddenly stops spreading when someone is dying. Obviously either it spreads or it doesn't, if you are dying that doesn't change it. So they kept my mother out, but suddenly all those people could come in and kill the rest of us? I was specifically in the bone marrow wing, we were all pretty sick. How does that make sense?

My point is just the rules are random and arbitrary and made by slimy politicians for political reasons and they don't follow their own rules. Not that you don't know that, just agreeing

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

First, my condolences. These politicians really are slime. They pull this then don't wear masks or quarantine. I agree with your conclusion where we will eventually be able to find the Washington governor.

I was in the hospital a couple months ago getting a bone marrow transplant. My mother is 83 and the hospital wouldn't let her see me because of covid. I was walking around my hospital wing for exercise and like 15 people were going in a room. Turned out the patient in that room was dying.

My question is why covid suddenly stops spreading when someone is dying. Obviously either it spreads or it doesn't, if you are dying that doesn't change it. So they kept my mother out, but suddenly all those people could come in and kill the rest of us? I was specifically in the bone marrow wing, we were all pretty sick. How does that make sense?

My point is just the rules are random and arbitrary and made by slimy politicians for political reasons and they don't follow their own rules. Not that you don't know that, just agreeing

100% true. Amen.

Hope your transplant turned out well.

 

[kaz]

100% true. Amen.

Hope your transplant turned out well.

It did, thanks! Today actually was my first day back at work, I was on disability the last four months. I'm feeling a lot better

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It did, thanks! Today actually was my first day back at work, I was on disability the last four months. I'm feeling a lot better

Sorry, I was so rude and failed to thank you for your condolences. It means a lot.

 

[kaz]

Sorry, I was so rude and failed to thank you for your condolences. It means a lot.

You're welcome, and no offense was taken. I am sorry for your loss

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You're welcome, and no offense was taken. I am sorry for your loss

Thank you. My husband was, morally and socially, worth fifty Jay Inslee's.

 

[Leo123]

Does everything revolve around that for you? Covid? Florida is great until you find yourself unable to pay your medical bills or qualify for Medicaid. Then you'll understand why right-wing politics isn't good for the working class.

You Marxists sure like to separate people into classes.

 

[Red Front]

So your answer is no, you can't give an example where your delusion has ever worked. You fabulous Russia is being ran by the rich just like you claim the US is. Putin's net worth is an estimated 200 billion, and they have their share of millionaires and billionaires as well. So there ya go loser, looks like you're going to have to earn your own way, the government is not there to support you lame ass.

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The answer is yes, you just have a reading comprehension problem or simply didn't read what I posted. As far as Russia today, it's a mixed economy with some socialist principles and policies in place, with some capitalism. Russia is no longer the USSR so your comments about Russia and Putin are irrelevant. In the 1980s in order to end the cold war, the Soviets tried to establish good relations with Russia by adopting markets into their economy but it didn't work. That's what caused the Soviet Union to collapse.

As far as your comment about working and freeloading. It's actually the capitalists who want to freeload off the backs of working-class people. Communists work harder and smarter because we democratize the workplace and our government is simply a tool to organize public works and its labor. In a communist society, especially in the modern age, there is no need for money. So your whole concept of communism is skewed by capitalist, cold-war propaganda. You ironically claim to be an American patriot and freedom-lover while defending your capitalist masters, who are the ones enslaving and exploiting you. When was the last time you participated in an election at work? The employer-employee relationship is not much different than the relationship between master and slave or lord and serf.

 

[Leo123]

The answer is yes, you just have a reading comprehension problem or simply didn't read what I posted. As far as Russia today, it's a mixed economy with some socialist principles and policies in place, with some capitalism. Russia is no longer the USSR so your comments about Russia and Putin are irrelevant. In the 1980s in order to end the cold war, the Soviets tried to establish good relations with Russia by adopting markets into their economy but it didn't work. That's what caused the Soviet Union to collapse.

As far as your comment about working and freeloading. It's actually the capitalists who want to freeload off the backs of working-class people. Communists work harder and smarter because we democratize the workplace and our government is simply a tool to organize public works and its labor. In a communist society, especially in the modern age, there is no need for money. So your whole concept of communism is skewed by capitalist, cold-war propaganda. You ironically claim to be an American patriot and freedom-lover while defending your capitalist masters, who are the ones enslaving and exploiting you. When was the last time you participated in an election at work? The employer-employee relationship is not much different than the relationship between master and slave or lord and serf.

There you go again, categorizing the American people into a caste system. In America, one is not relegated to a 'class' because there is opportunity to elevate oneself in the economy. Making money and being able to enhance one's life by individual effort is why America is great and everyone wants to come here. That cannot be done in a Communist economy. Especially if, as you say, no one needs any money. What is the reward? An 'atta boy' from the central government? Employers in the U.S. are not 'masters' they do not own slaves, but you already knew that didn't you? You're just here spewing propaganda.

 

[Red Front]

You Marxists sure like to separate people into classes.

People are separated and united by many conditions and realities. The capitalists themselves recognize the existence of socioeconomic classes that's why they organize and form unions. Yes, the rich have "unions". You didn't know that? It's called the "Chamber of Commerce", it's called the "Ft Lauderdale Business Association"and the "American Manufacturers Association"..etc. It's the industry's super-PACs, it's the think tanks, it's the NGOs, it's the army of lobbyists representing a certain industry or group of billionaires, in the halls of government legally bribing our politicians. It's even the country clubs. Believe me, the rich elites, know they're part of a unique socioeconomic class with its own financial interests.

What is the so-called "working-class"? In the simplest terms, the working-class is the socioeconomic class that needs to sell its labor power to a capitalist employer. To a member of the capitalist, owner-class. The capitalists own the facilities and equipment of production. The working-class are the people who need to sell their lives to another human being for eight hours, twelve hours, perhaps even sixteen hours a day, in order to eat, have a roof over their heads. When you sell your labor-power, you're selling yourself. You see, if you sell your computer, that's not you. I can buy your computer and you don't have to stand by it like a statue, forever. I can throw the computer away, in the dumpster after I purchase it from you, because it's no longer yours, it's mine. I can do whatever I want with it. It's just an object, a product that I purchased from you. You're not tied to that product that you sold me.

When you sell me your labor-power, for eight hours, twelve hours..etc, I'm buying you and you become part of the machinery of production. Your labor power is your life ("life-force"), your effort, your sweat, your presence, your time, your pain and suffering, your health, your attention, your mind..etc. I own you for the time I bought you and I take most of what you produce and make a profit from it. Why do you think most employers treat their workers like poop? Human beings (a.k.a. "employeeees") are treated like cogs in a machine, they're part of the machinery of production. Objects of production. When you walk into that workplace, you've walked into an absolute dictatorship. You have to be an employee of an employer-lord, that's not a choice for the vast majority of people.

How do communists "fix" the problem of people being bought and sold in a labor market as objects of production? We begin the reform by democratizing the workplace. We organize labor unions and assist workers to start their own worker cooperatives, with their fellow workers. A worker cooperative is run similar to a privately owned business enterprise, but it is owned collectively by the workers. The workers become "worker-owners" together, and they run the business democratically. Does that imply that there aren't any managers or CEOs? No. There are still "chiefs and Indians", but unlike in a privately owned business enterprise, the worker-owners elect their leaders (managers, CEOs). There is a level of accountability between management and their subordinates that doesn't exist in a privately owned business. A worker owner isn't an "employeeeeee", but rather a vital part of the business, hence worker-owners attend at least one class weekly to learn about the business, the products, how to run the business..etc.

Worker cooperatives are very competitive and often dominate the market. Capitalists hate them, and that's why American banks tend not to give loans to cooperatives. It's not easy under our current capitalist system for workers to unite and form cooperatives. As communists we're working to change that. We want to empower workers, the American people, to no longer be under the heel of a capitalist. We want democracy in the workplace, not just in government.

In the near future, capitalism is facing a very serious crisis. You know what that is? Technology. Production becomes so efficient and automated, that there is no longer a need for that employer - employee relationship. Human labor is significantly or completely replaced with automated systems, robots, artificial intelligence, self-driving vehicles, powerful computers..etc. The billionaires see the writing on the wall, so they begin to talk to the public, to the working-class, about receiving a "Universal Basic Income". A UBI. A check every month from the government. Why are the billionaires talking about handing "free money" to consumers? Because they know that if wage-labor is significantly reduced or eliminated, there aren't going to be any paying consumers. Paying consumers need wages, in order to consume. Replace enough of wage-labor with technology and you get massive unemployment and eventually the pitchforks come out.

So the billionaires see this coming in the not to distant future, so they're prepping everyone up for what is coming by offering everyone a free check from the government. That's capitalism on life-support. Communists don't want or need free checks from the government. We don't want that. We can very easily organize production, without capitalism or capitalists. We don't need them. We began as communists tens of thousands of years ago:

PRIMITIVE COMMUNISM​

In the future we will end with High-Communism (Hightech Communism):

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From our current capitalist mode of production to the highest form of communist production, there are several stages. In the end of this process of technological development, in the area of production, consumers will be able to produce whatever they want using atomic precision manufacturing machines. This type of technology:

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It will take us about 100 - 150 years to get to "Star Trek" replicators (APMMs Atomic Precision Manufacturing Machines). In the meantime, we begin socializing/democratizing production and gradually moving towards high communism (where consumers privately have complete control over production, right in their homes). Everyone will have a very high standard of living thanks to technology. We will eliminate scarcity, and everyone will have everything they need and want. That's the world communists will create but the capitalists, want to maintain their power. So they do everything they can to brainwash the working class and demonize socialism (they have the working-class voting against their own class interests).

They want to keep everyone, including production, under their heels. We want to empower the consumer, they want to unnecessarily maintain an obsolete system of production they can profit from and maintain their unique social status and power, at everyone else's expense. At the expense of human progress and our health. In the end, the people will win and democracy will be established.

I will also post something on the issue of the aristocracy of labor. That should be discussed as well. Here in America, we were and to a certain extent we still are, the aristocracy of labor. What does that mean? It denotes that we are the main consumer that the capitalist imperialists depend upon the most to purchase their products and services. We are the cultivated, protected "crop" of the American and Western European capitalist elites. The consumer with the most purchasing power, is needed by the capitalists to make their profits. In Latin America and other parts of the world, what we find is heavily consumed and exploited labor. They're consumed and we consume. We are the citizens of the empire, hence our working-class has it good compared to the working-class in the nations we consume and exploit. This was true mostly in the past, between 1948 and 1981, we were the high elite of labor, the citizens of the empire. Now we are becoming exploited and consumed, just like everyone else. The gutting out of the American working class began in the 1980s, with supply-side economics or "Reaganomics". Everything was deregulated, unions were busted, and our manufacturing base was wiped out.

We've been de-industrialized in many ways. We're now completely dependent upon China and other nations for our production. Only in the area of weapons, do we still have a robust manufacturing base. Weapons, not consumer goods and everything else we use and need.

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[Red Front]

There you go again, categorizing the American people into a caste system. In America, one is not relegated to a 'class' because there is opportunity to elevate oneself in the economy. Making money and being able to enhance one's life by individual effort is why America is great and everyone wants to come here. That cannot be done in a Communist economy. Especially if, as you say, no one needs any money. What is the reward? An 'atta boy' from the central government? Employers in the U.S. are not 'masters' they do not own slaves, but you already knew that didn't you? You're just here spewing propaganda.

I just answered many of your misconceptions above, in my response to Leo123. Socioeconomic classes are a reality even the billionaires admit to. Communism is the only way to produce everything we consume when technology replaces wage labor.

 

[OKTexas]

The answer is yes, you just have a reading comprehension problem or simply didn't read what I posted. As far as Russia today, it's a mixed economy with some socialist principles and policies in place, with some capitalism. Russia is no longer the USSR so your comments about Russia and Putin are irrelevant. In the 1980s in order to end the cold war, the Soviets tried to establish good relations with Russia by adopting markets into their economy but it didn't work. That's what caused the Soviet Union to collapse.

As far as your comment about working and freeloading. It's actually the capitalists who want to freeload off the backs of working-class people. Communists work harder and smarter because we democratize the workplace and our government is simply a tool to organize public works and its labor. In a communist society, especially in the modern age, there is no need for money. So your whole concept of communism is skewed by capitalist, cold-war propaganda. You ironically claim to be an American patriot and freedom-lover while defending your capitalist masters, who are the ones enslaving and exploiting you. When was the last time you participated in an election at work? The employer-employee relationship is not much different than the relationship between master and slave or lord and serf.

Yep, you're delusional. I've worked in union and nonunion environments, much preferred the nonunion. The last 12 years of my working life I was self employed and I'm now comfortably retired. Oh BTW, money in one form or another will never be obsolete.

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[OKTexas]

People are separated and united by many conditions and realities. The capitalists themselves recognize the existence of socioeconomic classes that's why they organize and form unions. Yes, the rich have "unions". You didn't know that? It's called the "Chamber of Commerce", it's called the "Ft Lauderdale Business Association"and the "American Manufacturers Association"..etc. It's the industry's super-PACs, it's the think tanks, it's the NGOs, it's the army of lobbyists representing a certain industry or group of billionaires, in the halls of government legally bribing our politicians. It's even the country clubs. Believe me, the rich elites, know they're part of a unique socioeconomic class with its own financial interests.

What is the so-called "working-class"? In the simplest terms, the working-class is the socioeconomic class that needs to sell its labor power to a capitalist employer. To a member of the capitalist, owner-class. The capitalists own the facilities and equipment of production. The working-class are the people who need to sell their lives to another human being for eight hours, twelve hours, perhaps even sixteen hours a day, in order to eat, have a roof over their heads. When you sell your labor-power, you're selling yourself. You see, if you sell your computer, that's not you. I can buy your computer and you don't have to stand by it like a statue, forever. I can throw the computer away, in the dumpster after I purchase it from you, because it's no longer yours, it's mine. I can do whatever I want with it. It's just an object, a product that I purchased from you. You're not tied to that product that you sold me.

When you sell me your labor-power, for eight hours, twelve hours..etc, I'm buying you and you become part of the machinery of production. Your labor power is your life ("life-force"), your effort, your sweat, your presence, your time, your pain and suffering, your health, your attention, your mind..etc. I own you for the time I bought you and I take most of what you produce and make a profit from it. Why do you think most employers treat their workers like....poop? Human beings are treated like cogs in a machine, they're part of the machinery of production. Objects of production. When you walk into that workplace, you've walked into an absolute dictatorship. You have to be an employee for an employer-lord, that's not a choice for the vast majority of people.

How do communists "fix" the problem of people being bought and sold in a labor market as objects of production? We begin the reform by democratizing the workplace. We organize labor unions and assist workers to start their own worker cooperatives, with their fellow workers. A worker cooperative is run similar to a privately owned business enterprise, but it is owned collectively by the workers. The workers become "worker-owners" together, and they run the business democratically. Does that imply that there aren't any managers or CEOs? No. There are still "chiefs and Indians", but unlike in a privately owned business enterprise, the worker-owners elect their leaders (managers, CEOs). There is a level of accountability between management and their subordinates that doesn't exist in a privately owned business. A worker owner isn't an "employeeeeee", but rather a vital part of the business, hence worker-owners attend at least one class weekly to learn about the business, the products, how to run the business..etc.

Worker cooperatives are very competitive and often dominate the market. Capitalists hate them, and that's why American banks tend not to give loans to cooperatives. It's not easy under our current capitalist system for workers to unite and form cooperatives. As communists we're working to change that. We want to empower workers, the American people, to no longer be under the heel of a capitalist. We want democracy in the workplace, not just in government.

In the near future, capitalism is facing a very serious crisis. You know what that is? Technology. Production becomes so efficient and automated, that there is no longer a need for that employer - employee relationship. Human labor is significantly or completely replaced with automated systems, robots, artificial intelligence, self-driving vehicles, powerful computers..etc. The billionaires see the writing on the wall, so they begin to talk to the public, to the working-class, about receiving a "Universal Basic Income". A UBI. A check every month from the government. Why are the billionaires talking about handing "free money" to consumers? Because they know that if wage-labor is significantly reduced or eliminated, there aren't going to be any paying consumers. Paying consumers need wages, in order to consume. Replace enough of wage-labor with technology and you get massive unemployment and eventually the pitchforks come out.

So the billionaires see this coming in the not to distant future, so they're prepping everyone up for what is coming by offering every a free check from the government. That's capitalism on life-support. Communists don't want or need free checks from the government. We don't want that. We can very easily organize production, without capitalism or capitalists. We don't need them. We began as communists tens of thousands of years ago:

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PRIMITIVE COMMUNISM​

In the future we will end with High-Communism (Hightech Communism):

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From our current capitalist mode of production to the highest form of communist production, there are several stages. In the end of this process of technological development, in the area of production, consumers will be able to produce whatever they want using atomic precision manufacturing machines. This type of technology:


It will take us about 100 - 150 years to get to "Star Trek" replicators (APMMs Atomic Precision Manufacturing Machines). In the meantime, we begin socializing/democratizing production and gradually moving towards high communism (where consumers privately have complete control over production, right in their homes). Everyone will have a very high standard of living thanks to technology. We will eliminate scarcity, and everyone will have everything they need and want. That's the world communists will create but the capitalists, want to maintain their power. So they do everything they can to brainwash the working class and demonize socialism (they have the working-class voting against their own class interests).

They want to keep everyone, including production, under their heel. We want to empower the consumer, they want to unnecessarily maintain an obsolete system of production they can profit from and maintain their unique social status and power, at everyone else's expense. At the expense of human progress and our health. In the end, the people will win and democracy will be established.

I will also post something on the issue of the aristocracy of labor. That should be discussed as well. Here in America, we were and to a certain extent we still are, the aristocracy of labor. What does that mean? It denotes that we are the main consumer that the capitalist imperialists depend upon the most to purchase their products and services. We are the cultivated, protected "crop" of the American and Western European capitalist elites. The consumer with the most purchasing power, is needed by the capitalists to make their profits. In Latin America and other parts of the world, what we find is heavily consumed and exploited labor. They're consumed and we consume. We are the citizens of the empire, hence our working-class has it good compared to the working-class in the nations we consume and exploit. This was true mostly in the past, between 1948 and 1981, we were the high elite of labor, the citizens of the empire. Now we are becoming exploited and consumed, just like everyone else. The gutting out of the American working class began in the 1980s, with supply-side economics or "Reaganomics". Everything was deregulated, unions were busted, and our manufacturing base was wiped out.

We've been de-industrialized in many ways. We're now completely dependent upon China and other nations for our production. Only in the area of weapons, do we still have a robust manufacturing base. Weapons, not consumer goods and everything else we use and need.

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[OKTexas]

I just answered many of your misconceptions above, in my response to Leo123. Socioeconomic classes are a reality even the billionaires admit to. Communism is the only way to produce everything we consume when technology replaces wage labor.

Yeah, that will never happen.

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[Red Front]

Yep, you're delusional. I've worked in union and nonunion environments, much preferred the nonunion. The last 12 years of my working life I was self employed and I'm now comfortably retired. Oh BTW, money in one form or another will never be obsolete.

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It will as technology advances and consumers have more control over production, there is no more need or place for markets or money. You were self-employed most likely due to not being unionized.

 

[Red Front]

Yep, you're delusional. I've worked in union and nonunion environments, much preferred the nonunion. The last 12 years of my working life I was self employed and I'm now comfortably retired. Oh BTW, money in one form or another will never be obsolete.

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Why did you become self-employed? You didn't like working for a dictator-employer? I don't blame you, especially if you didn't have a union. I suspect the only reason you're talking bad about being unionized or unions in general, is because you're from the side that doesn't profit from unions. The vast majority of workers do. When laws undermine the ability of workers to effectively unionize they're unable to form the unions that actually serve their interests. It leaves unions vulnerable to bad apples, including being busted by employers. Just as the employers have the right to organize their own associations (i.e. unions), so does labor. You don't sound like someone who identifies with workers, you sound like a capitalist.

 

[OKTexas]

It will as technology advances and consumers have more control over production, there is no more need or place for markets or money. You were self-employed most likely due to not being unionized.

No child, I owned the companies and their assets. I had individual customers that were willing to pay money.

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[OKTexas]

Why did you become self-employed? You didn't like working for a dictator-employer? I don't blame you, especially if you didn't have a union. I suspect the only reason you're talking bad about being unionized or unions in general, is because you're from the side that doesn't profit from unions. The vast majority of workers do. When laws undermine the ability of workers to effectively unionize they're unable to form the unions that actually serve their interests. It leaves unions vulnerable to bad apples, including being busted by employers. Just as the employers have the right to organize their own associations (i.e. unions), so does labor. You don't sound like someone who identifies with workers, you sound like a capitalist.

How old are you, 12?

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[Red Front]

No child, I owned the companies and their assets. I had individual customers that were willing to pay money.

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That's good, nothing wrong with that. You're living under a capitalist economic system, and if you can become self-employed, good for you.

 

[Red Front]

How old are you, 12?

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No I'm much older.