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You can't expect the cops to protect you.
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What IS the solution?Locking people up isn't a solution.
To return the favor MORON, I'm talking about locking up people who are already banned from possessing guns. It's ILLEGAL for a felon to possess a firearm of any description. Locking up the small percentage of people who are violent criminal will cut all crime rates down and violent crime rates dramatically.
Either locking them up or executing them IS the solution.
And we don't lock people up for being in possession of a gun during a crime. The DAs allow them to plea-bargain gun charges to misdemeanors or choose not to prosecute them at all.
What IS the solution?
You are an idiot. You have the crime and murder rate you have because of idiotic ideas like you are posting.Again, same problem.
Chicago we seized 10,000 illegal guns. We only have room for 5000 people in Cook County Jail. Simply math says you have to let about half of those people go. Probably a lot more, as you have real criminals to lock up, along with all the other communities in Cook County that need to lock their prisoners up.
Not really. Cost benefit analysis, it costs $39,000 a year to lock someone up. Well worth the money for a murderer, but for someone who just used a gun in a stickup for $100? The solution is worse than the problem.
And executions... we only execute 18 people a year. It simply costs too much to litigate more than that.
As we should.
In all the mass shootings, how many people were cleared by the ATF to own a gun?Short version-
1) Make it very difficult to acquire a gun and hold the gunmakers liable when they sell to the wrong people.
2) Invest in mental health programs.
3) Invest in drug treatment programs.
4) Address the issues of mass poverty in the inner city.
Off hand, I think one or two. Las Vegas comes to mindIn all the mass shootings, how many people were cleared by the ATF to own a gun?
Keeping recidivist criminals off the streets isn't a solution?
Maybe sensitivity training would be more effective. Not for the criminal, but for you. You can train in various ways of making excuses to the criminal for the mere fact of your existence.
In most any leftist Hell hole in this country, I'll stay with a cwp but you feel free to be the victim you so want to be.
I haven't heard of one gun man who got the gun illegally.Off hand, I think one or two. Las Vegas comes to mind
Norway has a much lower Recidivism rate, that is the term for those who get out of prison and commit additional crimes, than we do. They focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment. So why don’t we start a small program like that? Perhaps with one in ten, or one in twenty prisoners. See how the results work out.
We won’t, because that’s not the American Way. We are convinced that getting tough is the answer, and if it doesn’t work, we just insist that we have to get Tougher, it wasn’t tough enough.
It’s stupid, and it’s failed time and time again, and yet, we keep doing the same thing over and over again.
Idiocy. That’s why we can’t ever have any progress on the issues, we are so certain we are right, despite the evidence, that we won’t even consider alternatives.
| Country | Follow-Up | Rate | Type | Duration |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 9 years | 78% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 8 years | 77% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| Estonia | 5 years | 76% | Re-arrest | 2011-12 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 7 years | 76% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 6 years | 74% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 5 years | 72% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 4 years | 70% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 3 years | 66% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| Denmark | 2 years | 63% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| France | 6 years | 61% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| New Zealand | 2 years | 61% | Reconviction | 2015-16 |
| Estonia | 2 years | 59% | Re-arrest | 2013-14 |
| France | 5 years | 59% | Reconviction | 2002 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 2 years | 59% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| Estonia | 5 years | 58% | Reconviction | 2011-12 |
| France | 5 years | 58% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| Canada - Quebec | 2 years | 55% | Reconviction | 2007-08 |
| United States | 5 years | 55% | Reconviction | 2005-10 |
| France | 4 years | 54% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| Australia | 2 years | 53% | Reconviction | 2014-15 |
| New Zealand | 5 years | 52% | Reimprisonment | 2002-03 |
| Denmark | 1 years | 51% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| Ireland | 3 years | 51% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| United States | 4 years | 51% | Reconviction | 2005-10 |
| Chile | 3 years | 50% | Reimprisonment | 2007 |
| Latvia | 29 months | 50% | Reconviction | 2009 |
| New Zealand | 4 years | 49% | Reimprisonment | 2002-03 |
| France | 3 years | 48% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| Germany | 3 years | 48% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| Netherlands | 2 years | 48% | Reconviction | 2007 |
| U.K. (Northern Ireland) | 2 years | 47% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| France | 5 years | 46% | Reimprisonment | 2002 |
| Germany | 3 years | 46% | Reconviction | 2007 |
| New Zealand | 1 year | 46% | Reconviction | 2015-16 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 1 year | 46% | Reconviction | 2000 |
| U.K. (Scotland) | 1 year | 46% | Reconviction | 2009-10 |
| Australia | 2 years | 45% | Reimprisonment | 2014-15 |
| Ireland | 3 years | 45% | Reconviction | 2010 |
| U.K. (England/Wales) | 1 year | 45% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| United States | 3 years | 45% | Reconviction | 2005-10 |
| United States | 5 years | 45% | Reimprisonment | 2005-10 |
| New Zealand | 3 years | 44% | Reimprisonment | 2002-03 |
| Canada - Quebec | 2 years | 43% | Reimprisonment | 2007-08 |
| Israel | 5 years | 43% | Reimprisonment | 2004 |
| New Zealand | 2 years | 43% | Reimprisonment | 2015-16 |
| Sweden | 2 years | 43% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| Canada | 2 years | 41% | Reconviction | 1994-95 |
| Israel | 5 years | 41% | Reimprisonment | 2008 |
| United States | 4 years | 41% | Reimprisonment | 2005-10 |
| France | 2 years | 40% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| Australia | 2 years | 39% | Reimprisonment | 2009-10 |
| Chile | 2 years | 39% | Reconviction | 2010 |
| Israel | 4 years | 38% | Reimprisonment | 2008 |
| Estonia | 1 year | 37% | Re-arrest | 2013-14 |
| New Zealand | 2 years | 37% | Reimprisonment | 2002-03 |
| Austria | 4 years | 36% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| Denmark | 6 months | 36% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| Finland | 2 years | 36% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| Finland | 2 years | 36% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| United States | 2 years | 36% | Reconviction | 2005-10 |
| United States | 3 years | 36% | Reimprisonment | 2005-10 |
| Canada - Ontario | 2 years | 35% | Reconviction | 2014-15 |
| Estonia | 2 years | 35% | Reconviction | 2013-14 |
| Germany | 3 years | 35% | Reimprisonment | 2004 |
| Netherlands | 1 year | 35% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| Israel | 3 years | 34% | Reimprisonment | 2008 |
| Austria | 3 years | 32% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| New Zealand | 1 year | 32% | Reimprisonment | 2015-16 |
| Denmark | 2 years | 29% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| United States | 2 years | 29% | Reimprisonment | 2005-10 |
| Israel | 2 years | 28% | Reimprisonment | 2008 |
| Italy | 3 years | 28% | Re-arrest | 2001-09 |
| Iceland | 2 years | 27% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| Iceland | 2 years | 27% | Reconviction | 2009-11 |
| Singapore | 2 years | 27% | Reconviction | 2011 |
| Austria | 2 years | 26% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| France | 1 year | 26% | Reconviction | 2004 |
| New Zealand | 1 year | 26% | Reimprisonment | 2002-03 |
| U.K. (Northern Ireland) | 1 year | 25% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| South Korea | 3 years | 24% | Reimprisonment | 2002 |
| United States | 1 year | 23% | Reconviction | 2005-10 |
| Norway | 2 years | 20% | Reconviction | 2005 |
| Israel | 1 year | 18% | Reimprisonment | 2008 |
| New Zealand | 6 months | 18% | Reimprisonment | 2002-03 |
| United States | 1 year | 17% | Reimprisonment | 2005-10 |
| Estonia | 1 year | 16% | Reconviction | 2013-14 |
| Austria | 1 year | 15% | Reconviction | 2013 |
| United States | 6 months | 13% | Reconviction | 2005-10 |
| United States | 6 months | 10% | Reimprisonment | 2005-10 |
| U.K. (Northern Ireland) | 6 months | 9% | Reconviction | 2005 |
There is a whole host of problems with this specific comparison. Among them; population. As of 2019, Norway had a population of about 5.5 million people vs the US with 320 million. A corollary to that involves a largely homogenous population in Norway vs. something completely different in this country.Norway has a much lower Recidivism rate, that is the term for those who get out of prison and commit additional crimes, than we do. They focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment. So why don’t we start a small program like that? Perhaps with one in ten, or one in twenty prisoners. See how the results work out.
We won’t, because that’s not the American Way. We are convinced that getting tough is the answer, and if it doesn’t work, we just insist that we have to get Tougher, it wasn’t tough enough.
It’s stupid, and it’s failed time and time again, and yet, we keep doing the same thing over and over again.
Idiocy. That’s why we can’t ever have any progress on the issues, we are so certain we are right, despite the evidence, that we won’t even consider alternatives.
Norway is, or at least was, a homogeneous society. It like the rest of Scandinavia has accepted third world immigrants that don’t share Scandinavian values and crime, especially violent crime, is skyrocketing. It’s up about ten percent a year since 2018.Norway has a much lower Recidivism rate, that is the term for those who get out of prison and commit additional crimes, than we do. They focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment. So why don’t we start a small program like that? Perhaps with one in ten, or one in twenty prisoners. See how the results work out.
We won’t, because that’s not the American Way. We are convinced that getting tough is the answer, and if it doesn’t work, we just insist that we have to get Tougher, it wasn’t tough enough.
It’s stupid, and it’s failed time and time again, and yet, we keep doing the same thing over and over again.
Idiocy. That’s why we can’t ever have any progress on the issues, we are so certain we are right, despite the evidence, that we won’t even consider alternatives.
You are an idiot. You have the crime and murder rate you have because of idiotic ideas like you are posting.
As for the cost, that robber probably robbed a hundred or more stores without being caught. Criminals rarely get caught for their crimes, so they rob and kill with impunity for months or years without being caught. The only reason executions cost so much is people like you who are unwilling to hold criminals, even murderers responsible for their actions. I doubt the actual cost of an execution is any higher than putting a pet to sleep.
Norway is, or at least was, a homogeneous society. It like the rest of Scandinavia has accepted third world immigrants that don’t share Scandinavian values and crime, especially violent crime, is skyrocketing. It’s up about ten percent a year since 2018.
So a total of 212 people POSSIBLY wrongly convicted over FORTY SEVEN YEARS. That's an average of FOUR AND A HALF possible wrongful convictions for murder a year. You have indicated that you live in Illinois, in your state in 2021 there were 514 people convicted of murder. If my math is correct that is a .008% rate of bad convictions. That's pretty good for any process run by human beings.The reason executions cost so much is that we have this lovely habit of convicting innocent people and sending them to death row. The state of Illinois had to finally ban the death penalty because we were exonerating more people than we were executing. In fact, 190 people have been exonerated from Death Row since the DP was reestablished in 1976. another 22 people who were executed have serious doubts about their convictions.
Point is, we don't have the money to execute people or imprison them for petty crimes.
Umm, a really pointless attempt at analogy. Norway, for example, has population barely 1.5% that of the US.Okay, let's look at this one.
Denmark- 55 homicides in 2020, down from 66 in 2019. Only one of those involved a gun.
Guns in Denmark — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in Denmark, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and developmentwww.gunpolicy.org
Norway - 31 Homicides in 2020, up from 28 in 2019. Well, I guess that's a "10% increase" all right, or a ridiculously low number to start with. Only 2 involved guns.
Guns in Norway — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in Norway, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
Sweden - Has 124 homicides, up from 111. That's an 11% increase, but again, really low number to start with. 48 involved guns.
Guns in Sweden — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in Sweden, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
Hmmm... Okay.
Now, let's look at the US of A.
24,576 homicides in 2020, up from 2019's - 18,913. A 30% increase! 19,384 committed with guns.
As I've pointed out, when you lock people who can barely stand each other up for months, some of them are going to get a little antsy and holy shit, there's a gun right there to settle that argument over who ate the last donut!
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
Uh, he claimed that crime shot up in Norway... and guess what, it didn't.Umm, a really pointless attempt at analogy. Norway, for example, has population barely 1.5% that of the US.
Uh, you attempted a pointless comparison that literally made no sense.Uh, he claimed that crime shot up in Norway... and guess what, it didn't.
Compared to the US, where the murder rate shot up 30% in 2020.
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Ten percent a year IS shooting up.Uh, he claimed that crime shot up in Norway... and guess what, it didn't.
Compared to the US, where the murder rate shot up 30% in 2020.
If "ten percent" is all of three people, not really.Ten percent a year IS shooting up.
