More proof leftists are the true nazi's

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How Green were the Nazis?

How Green Were the Nazis?: Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich


The Nazis created nature preserves, championed sustainable forestry, curbed air pollution, and designed the autobahn highway network as a way of bringing Germans closer to nature. How Green Were the Nazis?: Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich is the first book to examine the Third Reich's environmental policies and to offer an in-depth exploration of the intersections between brown ideologies and green practices.

Environmentalists and conservationists in Germany welcomed the rise of the Nazi regime with open arms and hoped that it would bring about legal and institutional changes. However, environmentalists soon realized that the rhetorical attention they received from the regime did not always translate into action. By the late 1930s, nature and the environment had become less pressing concerns as Nazi Germany prepared for and executed a global conflagration.

Based on prodigious archival research, and written by some of the most important scholars in the field of twentieth-century German history, How Green Were the Nazis? examines the overlap between Nazi ideology and conservationist agendas. This landmark book underscores the fact that the “green” policies of the Nazis were more than a mere episode or aberration in environmental history.

Contributors: Franz-Josef Brüggemeier, Mark Cioc, Thomas Zeller, Charles Closmann, Michael Imort, Thomas Lekan, Frank Uekötter, Gesine Gerhard, Thomas Rohkrämer, Mark Bassin, and Joachim Wolschke-Bulmahn.

Franz-Josef Brüggemeier is a professor of history at the University of Freiburg, Germany. He has published extensively in the field of environmental history in nineteenth- and twentieth-century Europe.   More info →

Mark Cioc is a professor of history at the University of California, Santa Cruz and the author of The Rhine: An Eco-Biography, 1815–2000. He is a coeditor of How Green Were the Nazis? Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich.   More info →

Thomas Zeller is an associate professor at the University of Maryland, where he teaches the history of technology, environmental history, and science and technology studies. He is the author of Driving Germany: The Landscape of the German Autobahn, 1930–1970 and coeditor of How Green Were the Nazis? Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich and Rivers in History: Designing and Conceiving Waterways in Europe and North America.   More info →

 

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The Nazis and animal rights

The Nazis passed a number of really strict animal protection laws in 1933

The Nazis will always be remembered for their brutality and cruelty so it’s strange to hear that they treated animals with respect. When the Nazis came to power, they almost immediately passed laws to protect animals.


In 1933 the Nazis passed laws regulating the slaughter of animals. Hermann Goering announced an end to the “unbearable torture and suffering in animal experiments” and it was said that anyone who treated animals as inanimate property would be sent to a concentration camp.

Among other things, the law forbade any unnecessary harm to animals, banned the inhumane treatment of animals in the production of movies, and outlawed the use of dogs in hunting. Cutting the tails and ears of dogs without anesthesia was also banned, and livestock were supposed to be killed humanely. Strangely, the Nazis were particularly concerned with the suffering of lobsters in restaurants. In 1936, a special law was passed regarding the correct way of dispatching lobsters and crabs and thus mitigating their painful deaths. Pets who were terminally ill were supposed to be euthanized

It’s well known that Nazi leaders loved animals. Adolf Hitler hated hunting and he adored dogs. He spent his final hours in the company of his dog Blondi

Joseph Goebbels said, “The only real friend one has in the end, is the dog… The more I get to know the human species, the more I care for my Benno.” Many Nazi leaders were genuinely concerned about the treatment of animals. Horses, cats, and apes were singled out for special protection. The shoeing of horses was prohibited. Nazi Germany was the first country in the world to place the wolf under official protection. And it was also the first country to host an international conference on animal welfare in Berlin in 1934. In 1938, animal protection was accepted as a subject to be taught in public schools and universities in Germany. When the Nazis invaded France, animal protection laws were put in place there and received support from French citizens.

When the war was over in 1945, the laws were still on the books. In 1951 they removed the racist and anti-minority aspects but still covered many of the same issues. Foot-hold traps and hunting with hounds are still illegal in Germany.

 

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The Nazis were socialists

Yes, Virginia: Hitler really was a socialist

Much hay has been made of late regarding a decades-old debate as to whether Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were socialists.


On the face of it, the argument may seem ridiculous. … After all, the name of the party was National Socialist German Workers' Party. For some, it should be as simple as that. They called themselves socialists, so they were socialists.

However, proponents of the idea that Hitler and the Nazis were diametrically opposed to socialism point out numerous reasons that this simple explanation is, by itself, insufficient, and in fact can point out several facts, which clearly demonstrate that the Nazis were socialist in name only, but not in ideology.

As is generally (and gloriously) true, the truth behind this debate is extremely nuanced and takes effort to discover. But it is very clearly there.

For those of you looking for the Cliff's Notes version, here is the answer: Yes, Hitler and the Nazis were socialists, for the simple reasons that they were staunchly anti-capitalist and believed that the means of production in their society should be controlled by a centralized state power. That is very clear from their writings, their words and their actions. Done and done.


Now, for those of you looking for a more complete and nuanced analysis of the topic, please consider the following thoughts:

With a recent article in Vox as case-in-point, those who believe that Hitler and the Nazis were not socialists will generally put forward some version of the following arguments:
•1. The Nazis did not preach or practice pure, "classical" socialism, so they weren't socialists.

Second, it's vital to note the shift and migration "from" socialism "to" a dictatorship because this is almost always what ends up happening when socialism, communism and/or Marxism implemented in any country (as evidenced by Germany's Hitler, the Soviet Union's Joseph Stalin, China's Mao Zedong, Cuba's Fidel Castro, Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro, etc).

Marxist-collectivist systems devolving into brutal dictatorship with some elements of Marxist-philosophy remaining is the norm, not the exception. I'll leave what that says about Marxism to your own judgment.

So, with that said, let's start at the very beginning (a very good place to start), and review the historical record:

1. The Nazis did not preach or practice pure, "classical" socialism, so they weren't socialists.

Statements like this one are generally followed with quotes from Hitler or some other Nazi leader saying something negative about socialism, or examples of a policy like leaving most manufacturing in private hands as proof that the Nazi Party wasn't a socialist organization. But generally, those quotes and those policies were from much later in the Nazi-Germany saga.

What is conveniently ignored is the fact that Hitler joined the German Workers' Party in 1919, when he was 30 years old. Six years before he wrote "Mein Kampf," and 14 years before he was appointed chancellor of Germany.

So, at the time the political party was formed, what did it espouse and believe? And what did Hitler espouse and believe?

•2. The Nazis were not the true Socialist party in Germany — there were already socialist and communist political parties in Germany — when they adopted the term "socialism."
•3. The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Everyone knows fascism is right wing, socialism is left wing.
•4. The Nazis only adopted the title of "socialist" for political reasons, not ideological ones.
•5. The Nazis were staunchly anti-communist and anti-Marxist, therefore they couldn't have been socialists.
•6. The Nazis were racists and nationalists, so they couldn't have been socialists.
•7. The Nazis did not seize all private property and money, so they weren't socialists.
•8. Hitler was only interested in power, in being a dictator, not in socialist principals of peace and love and equality…

I'll address each of these in turn, but the above arguments and themes all miss a central and critical reality … and demonstrates a lack of critical thinking as well.

What's missing from the simple question of "Was Hitler a socialist?" is this: When do you mean?

It's a vital component of any coherent discussion, for two reasons.

First, because when examined over a timeline it becomes perfectly clear that yes, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party was an extremely, very clearly socialist-aligned organization at the time of their founding. One could argue that over time the specific manifestation of Nazi-socialism did drift away from what is today viewed as "classical"' or archetypal socialism (also a misnomer, which I'll cover shortly) and toward a nationalistic, "Germanified" socialism. During the build-up to war, it then morphed further into economic-statist policies of fascism and eventually a fascist-dictatorship.

 

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The actual American flag-waving Nazis seem to hate liberals and love Trump, just like you people.

"Just like you people"

Blanket statement much?

Whatever, I'm just pissing in a ocean of piss.

 

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History is abundantly clear on this. As we know from "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard J. Evans, we know because Hitler joined the German Workers' Party, a party he'd initially been ordered to spy on and join by his Germany Army Intelligence handlers. It's key to note that the original name of the group was the German Socialist Worker's Party (italics mine), but party-supporter and journalist Karl Herrer recommended against including the word "socialist" because it might be confused with another local political party (the Social Democratic Party of Germany) and might make it more challenging to gain the support of his middle-class newspaper subscribers. Subsequently, the name was shortened to German Workers' Party. Author F.L. Carlsten makes that clear in his book, "The Rise of Fascism."

Hitler joined the party and within a few months had risen to a level of authority. Having spoken publicly for the first time at a party meeting just weeks after joining, by early 1920 he was appointed chief of propaganda, a period of party history covered in excellent detail in "The Rise and Fall of Nazi Germany" by T.L. Jarman.

As the party grew in prominence, Hitler believed they needed a public manifesto that clearly articulated the party's political beliefs and platform. He, along with party founders Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart, and Anton Drexler, wrote a manifesto titled, The National Socialist Program. As explained in William Shirer's seminal, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" (a work every American should read), on that same day, the German Workers' Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hitler arranged a public meeting at a large Beer-Hall and personally read the manifesto aloud to more than 2,000 attendees, receiving ever increasing applause as he continued.

You can review the entire 25-point plan here, and yes, it is a platform that is filled with anti-Semitic and nationalist themes, but a review of several of the key points of the manifesto are important to understand their political beliefs as they orient around socialist and Marxist philosophy.

"…We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens…"

"…The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work, mentally or physically..."

"…The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality [the state], but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all..." [italics mine]

"…We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the [existing] Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order…"

"…The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education…"

"…The comprehension of the concept of the state must be striven for by the school as early as the beginning of understanding…"

"…We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession…"

"…The state is to care for the national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young…"

"…We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press… Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden… We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands…"

"…a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: "THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUAL...

"…We demand the Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery…"

"…In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits…"

"…We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries..." [italics mine]

"…We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries…"

"…We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare…"

"…We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation…"

"…We demand the immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality…"

"…We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death…" [italics mine]

 

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Democrats hate jews, check

Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

In fact, I wonder how many of them voted for Hitler.

 

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Democrats hate jews, check

Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

 

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Democrats hate jews, check

Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

 

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Democrats hate jews, check

Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

And all the American Jews hate Trump and the GOP, and vote for Democrats that want to destroy Israel, and promote Islam. Yes crazy world.

 

[alang1216]

Democrats hate jews, check

Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

And all the American Jews hate Trump and the GOP, and vote for Democrats that want to destroy Israel, and promote Islam. Yes crazy world.

Not all Jews equate Israeli policies with the Jewish faith.

 

[Pilot1]

Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

And all the American Jews hate Trump and the GOP, and vote for Democrats that want to destroy Israel, and promote Islam. Yes crazy world.

Not all Jews equate Israeli policies with the Jewish faith.

I understand that, and many of the Jews in the U.S. are relatively non-religious, Secular Progressives. But, they are still culturally Jewish in their Liberal beliefs. However, Israel represents the only true Jewish sanctuary in the world, and you'd think they'd respect and want to PRESERVE that.

 

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The Left does not want people to have liberty, freedom, freedom of choice, and wants total dependency on the State.

Yes, and the state should be governed by crazy SJWs who make up law from their asses.

Or "progressive," activist judges who make law from their benches.

 

[Edgetho]

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth --

The Leftist Chattering Class: Are They Dumb, Evil, Or Both?
—CBD
Dennis Prager recently asked the rhetorical question...whether these people actually believe what they are saying, or are they simply spouting political talking points in furtherance of their agenda?

If it is the first case, then they are cretinous, ignorant fools who probably need help operating faucets and pencils.

If it is the second case, then they are mendacious whores who care nothing for America, and would sacrifice anything in their quest for control over us.




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Clearly it is both.

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Not all Jews equate Israeli policies with the Jewish faith.

I understand that, and many of the Jews in the U.S. are relatively non-religious, Secular Progressives. But, they are still culturally Jewish in their Liberal beliefs. However, Israel represents the only true Jewish sanctuary in the world, and you'd think they'd respect and want to PRESERVE that.

I think most US Jews are proud of Israel and do want to preserve it. What they would like is to see a true peace. The Israeli Arab citizens have not been treated well and now that their Arab neighbors appear ready for peace, Israel seems slow to give up it's conquests.

Backing Israel has come at a terrible cost to the US and there is no end in sight since we will not put any pressure on them to find a solution.

 

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Yet most Jews are Democrats.

Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

And all the American Jews hate Trump and the GOP, and vote for Democrats that want to destroy Israel, and promote Islam. Yes crazy world.

Not all Jews equate Israeli policies with the Jewish faith.

The real reason that Jews lean Leftists is because most are secular.



Marxism is the religion of the secular/atheist.

 

[McRocket]

Oh for God's sakes...you Trumpbots are both arrogant AND ignorant.

What political group was the NUMBER ONE enemy of the Nazi Party?

DUH...Communists.

And is any clown on here going to call communism anything but far left?

So Hitler wants to wipe out Communism and he is leftist? Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.


Plus, most of the Nazi leadership (especially early) were derived from the Freikorps - a VERY right-wing, paramilitary organization.

'In the aftermath of World War I and during the German Revolution of 1918–19, Freikorps consisting largely of World War I veterans were raised as right-wing paramilitary militias

Numerous future members and leaders of the Nazi Party had served in the Freikorps, including Ernst Röhm, future head of the Sturmabteilung, or SA, Heinrich Himmler, future head of the Schutzstaffel, or SS, and Rudolf Höß, the future Kommandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp. Hermann Ehrhardt, founder and leader of Marinebrigade Ehrhardt, and his deputy Commander Eberhard Kautter, leaders of the Viking League, refused to help Hitler and Erich Ludendorff in their Beer Hall Putsch and conspired against them.'

Freikorps - Wikipedia


Here are Hitler's own words on the subject:

'Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors ... But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.'

In a speech given in Munich on 12 April 1922, Hitler stated that:

There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago.'

Nazism - Wikipedia

More sources: https://www.amazon.com/Fascism-History-Roger-Eatwell/dp/0140257004&tag=ff0d01-20
https://www.amazon.ca/Germans-into-...0928?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=
https://www.amazon.ca/Fascism-Roger...ism+book&qid=1559014799&s=gateway&sr=8-6&tag=
Roger Griffin - Wikipedia
Racism, sexism, Nazi economics: Estonia's far right in power



Hitler did not like either side - but his utter hate and contempt for the left wing is famous. He looked upon Soviets as sub-human.


It's common, frigging knowledge with anyone who understands history that the Nazi's took 'socialist' in their name for one reason...to con weak leftists into switching to their party. And it worked. He even has conned you people...from the grave.


No doubt you Trumpbots - many of whom have not a clue about history except what you hear from extremist people/sources - will dismisss all these facts. But the above IS all factual, common knowledge to unbiased historians and even makes 100% common sense.

Like it or not pals...Nazi's were radical right wingers. Not maybe. 100% for certain.

And every one of you who swears they were not just expose your staggering ignorance/stupidity.


And once again, I am neither Dem nor Rep...I despise both parties. So this post has zero political bias.

 

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Most Jews are atheists and most atheists substitute Leftism as their religion

The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

And all the American Jews hate Trump and the GOP, and vote for Democrats that want to destroy Israel, and promote Islam. Yes crazy world.

Not all Jews equate Israeli policies with the Jewish faith.

The real reason that Jews lean Leftists is because most are secular.



Marxism is the religion of the secular/atheist.

You have a very simplistic view of Jews. I know many Jews and while none I know are Orthodox and follow all the Jewish traditions, very few are atheists. All the ones I know are liberal but none are Marxists. The world is more complex than you seem to realize.

 

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The Dems love atheists and leftists so they must love Jews.
The GOP don't love either atheists or leftists so they must hate Jews.

You would think, but the GOP is trying to save Israel while the DNC is trying to destroy it.

Crazy world.

And all the American Jews hate Trump and the GOP, and vote for Democrats that want to destroy Israel, and promote Islam. Yes crazy world.

Not all Jews equate Israeli policies with the Jewish faith.

The real reason that Jews lean Leftists is because most are secular.



Marxism is the religion of the secular/atheist.

You have a very simplistic view of Jews. I know many Jews and while none I know are Orthodox and follow all the Jewish traditions, very few are atheists. All the ones I know are liberal but none are Marxists. The world is more complex than you seem to realize.

But the pretty much all vote Democrat, right? Today that is leaning towards Marxism as the Democrat Party has become radically, far left, Progressive.

 

[alang1216]

But the pretty much all vote Democrat, right? Today that is leaning towards Marxism as the Democrat Party has become radically, far left, Progressive.

Thanks for confirming your simplistic world view. I know many Jews who do vote Dem but none are Marxists, they are drawn to the Dems for their views on society. They support inclusion as they know how they have suffered from exclusion.

 

[Hellbilly]

The Left does not want people to have liberty, freedom, freedom of choice, and wants total dependency on the State.

Do you support equality for gays, minorities and women?
Do you support a woman's right to choose?