More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!!

[PMZ]

Let's say climate has nothing to do with humans? There's many other reasons to go to renewables then co2.

-The pollution of coal, oil and natural gas kills millions before there time. Cancer, breathing problems, etc.
- This means tens of billions in health cost for our nation.
-fossil fuels go up and down in price. Economic slow downs and speed ups can happen because of this. Solar, wind and hydro when you think about it don't have this problem.
-The fact that we're 30 years away from the end of our supply
-LASTLY THE PRICE OF fossil fuels are growing.

all equal good reason.

The impact of growing demand vs falling supply on prices seems to be a tough concept for some. There's going to be a real economic battle between the US and China for oil dregs.

 

[HenryBHough]

Within the last 30 years of "our supply"?

That's far better than the "last 20 years of supply" that was being asserted in 1947!

 

[PMZ]

Within the last 30 years of "our supply"?

That's far better than the "last 20 years of supply" that was being asserted in 1947!

Asserted by who, based on what?

 

[HenryBHough]

Asserted by who, based on what?

By Luddite activists based on reading the signs presented by picking their noses.

 

[ScienceRocks]

All you have is hope.

No long term plan.

 

[flacaltenn]

Let's say climate has nothing to do with humans? There's many other reasons to go to renewables then co2.

-The pollution of coal, oil and natural gas kills millions before there time. Cancer, breathing problems, etc.
- This means tens of billions in health cost for our nation.
-fossil fuels go up and down in price. Economic slow downs and speed ups can happen because of this. Solar, wind and hydro when you think about it don't have this problem.
-The fact that we're 30 years away from the end of our supply
-LASTLY THE PRICE OF fossil fuels are growing.

all equal good reason.

Solar and Wind don't have ups and down in pricing because their market is ENTIRELY artificial.. In the REAL WORLD --- pricing for wind would SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK as wind fields fail to produce and SOLAR would become MUCH MORE expensive during bad weather.

C'mon Matthew.. Play with both hands..

 

[PMZ]

Let's say climate has nothing to do with humans? There's many other reasons to go to renewables then co2.

-The pollution of coal, oil and natural gas kills millions before there time. Cancer, breathing problems, etc.
- This means tens of billions in health cost for our nation.
-fossil fuels go up and down in price. Economic slow downs and speed ups can happen because of this. Solar, wind and hydro when you think about it don't have this problem.
-The fact that we're 30 years away from the end of our supply
-LASTLY THE PRICE OF fossil fuels are growing.

all equal good reason.

Solar and Wind don't have ups and down in pricing because their market is ENTIRELY artificial.. In the REAL WORLD --- pricing for wind would SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK as wind fields fail to produce and SOLAR would become MUCH MORE expensive during bad weather.

C'mon Matthew.. Play with both hands..

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free. They require no operators. The output is very determinate over the long run.

They have an upfront capital cost and a small maintenance cost.

I'm having trouble seeing "SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK", especially in capital letters.

 

[polarbear]

Not wasting trillions on unreliable "green energy".
CO2, a tiny bit higher.
Temperatures 0.1 degrees warmer.

So, when fossil fuels are gone, or we can't adapt to the new climate, whichever comes first, what happens next?

Man has adapted to live in the Arctic and the Qattara Depression... you seriously think man can't adapt to pithy one degree of warmth? You're fucking stupid.

"PMZ" could not have chosen a more suitable username because it highlights the mental characteristics of a person who`s job is being a Parking Metermaid Zealot....and so do all his posts in this forum.

No way would a person like that succeed in a competitive environment.
Not even on a boy scout level, never mind in engineering.
"Engineer" comes from the Latin word ingenium, (ingenious) and the engineer`s prime goal is to always make maximum use of all resources to design systems of maximum efficiency and cost effectiveness.
...and use the best AVAILABLE components to do so...and fossil fuels happen to be on the top of that list!
It`s also being called "RESCOURCEFULNESS"...and here is a picture that in my opinion illustrates the meaning of that word:

This guy may not be an engineer but he`s got the "right stuff" and made maximum use of his available resources....and will survive.
...while the "PMZ" `s who advocate barring access to our resources would drown like rats.

 

[PMZ]

So, when fossil fuels are gone, or we can't adapt to the new climate, whichever comes first, what happens next?

Man has adapted to live in the Arctic and the Qattara Depression... you seriously think man can't adapt to pithy one degree of warmth? You're fucking stupid.

"PMZ" could not have chosen a more suitable username because it highlights the mental characteristics of a person who`s job is being a Parking Metermaid Zealot....and so do all his posts in this forum.

No way would a person like that succeed in a competitive environment.
Not even on a boy scout level, never mind in engineering.
"Engineer" comes from the Latin word ingenium, (ingenious) and the engineer`s prime goal is to always make maximum use of all resources to design systems of maximum efficiency and cost effectiveness.
...and use the best AVAILABLE components to do so...and fossil fuels happen to be on the top of that list!
It`s also being called "RESCOURCEFULNESS"...and here is a picture that in my opinion illustrates the meaning of that word:

This guy may not be an engineer but he`s got the "right stuff" and made maximum use of his available resources....and will survive.
...while the "PMZ" `s who advocate barring access to our resources would drown like rats.

Engineers like I am understand all earthly resources are limited to the supply that we have, except for energy from the sun.

Fossil fuels are a fortunate gift from ancient sun. Those with our eyes open can see the end of them coming. Especially oil. You with your minds closed find that reality inconvenient and would like to ignore it until it's too late to do anything about it and hope that you're dead by then.

Someday even Alaskans will have to work rather than live off the pipeline.

 

[HenryBHough]

Someday even Alaskans will have to work rather than live off the pipeline.

If you really believe that you realllllly should change your username.

Maybe "Methusela"??

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's say climate has nothing to do with humans? There's many other reasons to go to renewables then co2.

-The pollution of coal, oil and natural gas kills millions before there time. Cancer, breathing problems, etc.
- This means tens of billions in health cost for our nation.
-fossil fuels go up and down in price. Economic slow downs and speed ups can happen because of this. Solar, wind and hydro when you think about it don't have this problem.
-The fact that we're 30 years away from the end of our supply
-LASTLY THE PRICE OF fossil fuels are growing.

all equal good reason.

Solar and Wind don't have ups and down in pricing because their market is ENTIRELY artificial.. In the REAL WORLD --- pricing for wind would SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK as wind fields fail to produce and SOLAR would become MUCH MORE expensive during bad weather.

C'mon Matthew.. Play with both hands..

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free. They require no operators. The output is very determinate over the long run.

They have an upfront capital cost and a small maintenance cost.

I'm having trouble seeing "SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK", especially in capital letters.

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free.

They don't need fossil fuel backup?
You know, for when there's no sun, or no wind.
They never wear out and have to be rebuilt?

No waste? That's funny!

 

[PMZ]

Solar and Wind don't have ups and down in pricing because their market is ENTIRELY artificial.. In the REAL WORLD --- pricing for wind would SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK as wind fields fail to produce and SOLAR would become MUCH MORE expensive during bad weather.

C'mon Matthew.. Play with both hands..

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free. They require no operators. The output is very determinate over the long run.

They have an upfront capital cost and a small maintenance cost.

I'm having trouble seeing "SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK", especially in capital letters.

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free.

They don't need fossil fuel backup?
You know, for when there's no sun, or no wind.
They never wear out and have to be rebuilt?

No waste? That's funny!

There is no energy supplier that runs 24/7/365/100 years, so they all need backup. That's why we have the grid.

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand when they are supplying or schedulable demand.

You don't really know much about this stuff, do you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free. They require no operators. The output is very determinate over the long run.

They have an upfront capital cost and a small maintenance cost.

I'm having trouble seeing "SKYROCKET EVERY WEEK", especially in capital letters.

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free.

They don't need fossil fuel backup?
You know, for when there's no sun, or no wind.
They never wear out and have to be rebuilt?

No waste? That's funny!

There is no energy supplier that runs 24/7/365/100 years, so they all need backup. That's why we have the grid.

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand when they are supplying or schedulable demand.

You don't really know much about this stuff, do you.

I don't know much? LOL!

You're the one who said they require no fuel and create no waste.
Did ya bump yer head?

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand

How are you matching solar production to peak demand?
How are you matching wind production to peak demand?

 

[PMZ]

They require no fuel and create no waste. Once the grid is built their delivery to market is, essentially, free.

They don't need fossil fuel backup?
You know, for when there's no sun, or no wind.
They never wear out and have to be rebuilt?

No waste? That's funny!

There is no energy supplier that runs 24/7/365/100 years, so they all need backup. That's why we have the grid.

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand when they are supplying or schedulable demand.

You don't really know much about this stuff, do you.

I don't know much? LOL!

You're the one who said they require no fuel and create no waste.
Did ya bump yer head?

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand

How are you matching solar production to peak demand?
How are you matching wind production to peak demand?

Name their waste products from generation.

Good example. Crescent Dunes near Las Vegas. their peak load is for HVAC in the daytime. With a little molten salt storage, Crescent Dunes, starting up soon, will match that peak for 12 hours a day. Using no fuel and creating no waste from generation. And take the load off of fuel using and waste producing
Plants the do the job today.

EVs can be charged in parking lots at work or at home. Give people some incentive and they'll charge when fuel and waste free energy is available. Then use the energy the rest of the day and night.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no energy supplier that runs 24/7/365/100 years, so they all need backup. That's why we have the grid.

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand when they are supplying or schedulable demand.

You don't really know much about this stuff, do you.

I don't know much? LOL!

You're the one who said they require no fuel and create no waste.
Did ya bump yer head?

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand

How are you matching solar production to peak demand?
How are you matching wind production to peak demand?

Name their waste products from generation.

Good example. Crescent Dunes near Las Vegas. their peak load is for HVAC in the daytime. With a little molten salt storage, Crescent Dunes, starting up soon, will match that peak for 12 hours a day. Using no fuel and creating no waste from generation. And take the load off of fuel using and waste producing
Plants the do the job today.

EVs can be charged in parking lots at work or at home. Give people some incentive and they'll charge when fuel and waste free energy is available. Then use the energy the rest of the day and night.

Name their waste products from generation.

Why would you ignore their waste products from manufacturing?

 

[freedombecki]

I don't know much? LOL!

You're the one who said they require no fuel and create no waste.
Did ya bump yer head?

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand

How are you matching solar production to peak demand?
How are you matching wind production to peak demand?

Name their waste products from generation.

Good example. Crescent Dunes near Las Vegas. their peak load is for HVAC in the daytime. With a little molten salt storage, Crescent Dunes, starting up soon, will match that peak for 12 hours a day. Using no fuel and creating no waste from generation. And take the load off of fuel using and waste producing
Plants the do the job today.

EVs can be charged in parking lots at work or at home. Give people some incentive and they'll charge when fuel and waste free energy is available. Then use the energy the rest of the day and night.

Name their waste products from generation.

Why would you ignore their waste products from manufacturing?

PMZ doesn't recall this being a scientific debate, and it wasn't expedient to his/her politics to admit any oversight that would show weakness in a political debate. Some politicos operate best when truth is safely tucked under the bus.

 

[skookerasbil]

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[PMZ]

I don't know much? LOL!

You're the one who said they require no fuel and create no waste.
Did ya bump yer head?

Sources that are predictably intermittent are matched to peak demand

How are you matching solar production to peak demand?
How are you matching wind production to peak demand?

Name their waste products from generation.

Good example. Crescent Dunes near Las Vegas. their peak load is for HVAC in the daytime. With a little molten salt storage, Crescent Dunes, starting up soon, will match that peak for 12 hours a day. Using no fuel and creating no waste from generation. And take the load off of fuel using and waste producing
Plants the do the job today.

EVs can be charged in parking lots at work or at home. Give people some incentive and they'll charge when fuel and waste free energy is available. Then use the energy the rest of the day and night.

Name their waste products from generation.

Why would you ignore their waste products from manufacturing?

What manufacturing is without waste?

 

[PMZ]

Name their waste products from generation.

Good example. Crescent Dunes near Las Vegas. their peak load is for HVAC in the daytime. With a little molten salt storage, Crescent Dunes, starting up soon, will match that peak for 12 hours a day. Using no fuel and creating no waste from generation. And take the load off of fuel using and waste producing
Plants the do the job today.

EVs can be charged in parking lots at work or at home. Give people some incentive and they'll charge when fuel and waste free energy is available. Then use the energy the rest of the day and night.

Name their waste products from generation.

Why would you ignore their waste products from manufacturing?

PMZ doesn't recall this being a scientific debate, and it wasn't expedient to his/her politics to admit any oversight that would show weakness in a political debate. Some politicos operate best when truth is safely tucked under the bus.

Clearly your post cannot be consider scientific debate. Or any other kind. It's what you wish to be true.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Name their waste products from generation.

Good example. Crescent Dunes near Las Vegas. their peak load is for HVAC in the daytime. With a little molten salt storage, Crescent Dunes, starting up soon, will match that peak for 12 hours a day. Using no fuel and creating no waste from generation. And take the load off of fuel using and waste producing
Plants the do the job today.

EVs can be charged in parking lots at work or at home. Give people some incentive and they'll charge when fuel and waste free energy is available. Then use the energy the rest of the day and night.

Name their waste products from generation.

Why would you ignore their waste products from manufacturing?

What manufacturing is without waste?

So much for your claim that green energy produces no waste.