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if human sexuality is openly condemned by the church why would her speaking openly about her own sexuality in church bother anyone if it is not that her testimony that it does not result in separation from God contradicts official church teaching?
I doubt that human sexuality is condemned by the LDS faith. I simply noted that, in Church, discussing personal sexual proclivities of any kind, is not a topic for discussion in that arena. Were there children younger than thirteen present?
I don't know what policies are in place in the LDS Church, but I know human sexuality cannot be taught/discussed before students of this age at school unless a parent signs off on it. Even then, instruction is kept on a professional level with more personal questions referred to parent or counselor.
Also, in the article the Mormons are working with her and her family privately. Which is the way it should be handled. The forum she put her sexuality out there was inappropriate, however it is understandable given that she is only 13.
if human sexuality is openly condemned by the church why would her speaking openly about her own sexuality in church bother anyone if it is not that her testimony that it does not result in separation from God contradicts official church teaching?
I doubt that human sexuality is condemned by the LDS faith. I simply noted that, in Church, discussing personal sexual proclivities of any kind, is not a topic for discussion in that arena. Were there children younger than thirteen present?
I don't know what policies are in place in the LDS Church, but I know human sexuality cannot be taught/discussed before students of this age at school unless a parent signs off on it. Even then, instruction is kept on a professional level with more personal questions referred to parent or counselor.
The church I go to allows gays in it. In fact, the vast majority of churches allow gays in them. On the other hand, if a church exists that says no gays... why would you want to be somewhere you aren't welcome?Not all Christians hate a specific type of people, and you're a single person, unlike Churches, which are for public use. They make their money for operation off of donations.
Then they should comport to the same laws all other public use facilities operate under. A store that says, "No Blacks" or "No Gays" would be in serious trouble.
Except they're not, you're misusing the word homophobia to serve your false narrative. Disagreeing with a life style and being 'afraid' of it, or hating the people who take part in it, are two very different things. In fact, I'm pretty sure that you hate Christians because you can't make that distinction.
No, I pretty much fear Christians because they have a 2000 year history of Crusades, Inquisitions, Witch-Burning, supporting truly awful governments, molesting altar boys, suppressing science and generally passing bad laws to appease their imaginary friend in the sky.
Now, I'm not really into Game of Thrones. But I have a bunch of co-workers who just can't stop talking about it. I don't cut them off when they are talking or try to get GoT taken off the air or anything. Just not my thing.
Yet you homophobes would deny gays marriage, employment rights and so on. Worse, you keep voting in Republicans because they hate the gays just like you do and they are right with Jesus.
On the other hand, people don't go to a grocery store to buy a dress, and people don't go to a flower shop to buy a pair of shoes. Everyone is welcome in these stores, but they are not welcome to change the inventory to suit themselves. In the same way, everyone is welcome in Church, but they are not welcome to change the tenets of that faith.
The Law is impossible to keep. Jesus said that if a person breaks one law he has broken them all. The purpose of the Law was always to reveal that man need to depend on GOD entirely for salvation and not one's own endeavors. Only Christ perfectly kept the Law.
Fossilization is rapid and has been demonstrated to occur quickly --- note:
Also, in the article the Mormons are working with her and her family privately. Which is the way it should be handled. The forum she put her sexuality out there was inappropriate, however it is understandable given that she is only 13.
While I don't personally have a problem with gay marriage, I can also see why people have a problem with it. Traditionally it's between a man and a woman. Republicans don't hate gays, you're generalizing because... well, you have been this entire time, and that's what ignorant people do.
You also continue to misuse the word "Homophobe" because you're incapable of learning.
On the other hand, if a church exists that says no gays... why would you want to be somewhere you aren't welcome?
Stores aren't Public Use, they're privately owned and turn a profit from their business. Churches accept money, they do not demand it. You're drawing false parallels.
That would be wonderful and stuff, if you didn't have to make these decisions until you were 18.
The problem with religion is that they start indoctrinating you into this shit when you are a child.
One of the hardest parts of being an atheist for me was overcoming over 20 years of Catholic indoctrination starting in early childhood.
So how's this for an idea? You don't tell kids about God and your religion until you are 18. Send them to a babysitter on Sunday mornings, and then only introduce them to your magic sky fairy when they are 18, when they can make a rational and reasoned decision.
Works for me.
My husband and I had the conversation when we became engaged. He's an atheist--by the time he was born his family had stopped practicing any religion. I am Catholic. He said, "Let's not introduce any children to religion--and let them decide when they are eighteen." I responded. "That's fine if we don't introduce any children to football--and then let them decide when they are eighteen."
My parents raised eight children Catholic. Two of us have remained faithful Catholics are entire life. One might be described as a sometimes Catholic, and the other five gave it up shortly after leaving home and never looked back. There is a huge difference between those five and you. None of them are angry. All of them were fine with being raised by Catholic parents, just decided religion wasn't needed in their adult lives.
Why are you so angry? How would your life be different had you not been raised by Catholics?
I'm angry because these cocksuckers lied to me for 12 years.
My life would have been a lot better had I never been exposed to these creeps and their fucked up religion.
You see, the only reason I care about the gay marriage thing. It pisses religious people off. Therefore it is inherently good, anything that pisses these assholes off.
Specifically, what are some of the lies they told you? (Lies being defined as they knew what they were telling you was untrue, but lied anyway.)
Yet others, myself included, testify our lives would have likely been a shambles if not for the inspiration of this beautiful religion and the people who lived it. Specifically, how did Catholicism ruin your life? What would you have done differently, and how did Catholicism prevent you from doing it differently?
Isn't it a little bit tiring to be so angry all the time that you actually hunt for things to express how angry you are?
That there's a God.
That Jesus existed
That God answers prayers.
ALL LIES.
But it gets better- They lied about their role in molesting altar boys, collaborating iwth the Nazis, etc.
Well, I wouldn't have to struggle with unnecessary guilt over having plain old feelings. There's that.
I have enough energy to spend time on it. And I never get tired of pissing off the bible thumping assholes.
Lies being defined as they knew what they were telling you was untrue, but lied anyway.
the 4th century christian bible, you are an example of their duplicity ... history from the 4th century to the present day is a record of their maleficence ...
the malfeasance of selectivity in an open forum for Spiritual discussion.
your digression is noted.
Talk about a change of topic! (Albeit one you bring up regularly.) Until you study the first three centuries, your leap into the fourth century lacks a foundation. You might be able to ignore about four hundred years of history and practice, but I cannot, and therefore I don't see you and I being able to have a meaningful discussion on this.
It appears his parents/Church told him something they believe is absolute truth, but Joe disagrees with this belief. I see a disagreement over beliefs quite differently from a lie. Joe still sees it as a lie. That's fine, and now I see more clearly the perspective from which each of us start.
To sum up: When you don't share the beliefs of another, they are the ones who are lying.
History doesn't see either of these issues as cut and dried. The vast majority of Catholic priests had nothing to do with either.
(And yes, it goes without saying that you pity people who hold religious beliefs.)
No, when they spread obvious lies, they are the ones who are lying.
My beliefs, on the other hand, can be scienfitically measured and tested.
My parents raised eight children Catholic. Two of us have remained faithful Catholics are entire life. One might be described as a sometimes Catholic, and the other five gave it up shortly after leaving home and never looked back. There is a huge difference between those five and you. None of them are angry. All of them were fine with being raised by Catholic parents, just decided religion wasn't needed in their adult lives.
Why are you so angry? How would your life be different had you not been raised by Catholics?
Specifically, what are some of the lies they told you? (Lies being defined as they knew what they were telling you was untrue, but lied anyway.)
That there's a God.
That Jesus existed
That God answers prayers.
ALL LIES.
