Muslims are not staying silent in the wake of the Paris attacks

[JimBowie1958]

They are also blowing themselves up and shooting at French police officers. Why does the left wing always tend to downplay the intelligence of the enemy and believe every editorial filtered through left wing media? .

It's called 'Projection'.

 

[Pogo]

In response to the title of the thread: I think one of the problems is that it 'appears' to have taken a while for muslims to 'realise' that the decent thing to do following the various and many massacres of innocent people conducted in the name of Islam (whether one accepts that claim to be accurate or not), would be to condemn these barbarous acts and the perps, and condemn them unequivocally and without qualification. If you listen carefully, often in the past anyway, these 'condemnations' really didn't seem to be condemnations at all, saturated as they were with 'buts' and 'howevers' and so on. Another problem is that a lot of people are aware of the practice of al taqiyya and kitman, so whilst it may be true that it's damned if they do, damned if they don't, it's not the fault of the sceptics that it is acceptable in Islam to lie to non Muslims to safeguard, promote and defend Islam and ones beliefs. The doubters can't take responsibility for that, and being aware of the practice makes one cautious. I don't see how that can be helped.

The flaw in all this is that the whole pretense of "Muslims" (as a whole) "think this" or "should be condemning that" ----- is entirely dependent on a commercial sensationalist media whose prime objective is not to report news, but to make money for itself.

And that means "we" have no access to any such voice or vision of what "the Muslim world" (whatever that may mean) thinks. It does not sell papers to report that X thousands/millions of Muslims denounced the latest terrorism. It DOES very much sell papers to show video of twenty people dancing for joy over 9/11, because in the latter you have an emotive connection, and emotion draws attention, and attention sells papers.

Way too many wags on this board continue to draw their impressions of "Muslims" -- as if that's some kind of monolith -- from this heavily distorted/edited source, seemingly oblivious to the real character of that source that makes it completely unreliable to reach any such conclusion.

 

[dannyboys]

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Domestic violence is domestic violence - whether it's inspired by religion, culture, or simple mysogeny - a woman is still brutally who shouldn't have been but you seem to think there is a difference.

http://freethoughtnation.com/what-does-the-koran-say-about-women/
The undeniable fact remains Islam is religion which teaches misogyny and violence.

They all do: The Dark Bible: Women's Inferior Status

Fortunately we live under a secular system.

You just don't get it.
The Syrian 'refugees' are muslims. They live by the teachings of Islam. They aren't coming to the US to live in a secular society. You think the muslims in Dearborn are living in a secular society????????
They are bringing the violent misogynist teachings of the fucking asshole pediphile prophet to shove it down the throats of whomever they can. And if the 'infidel' doesn't want to pretend to actually believe the ludicrous insane raving of a lunatic then the infidel must be murdered. BIG BIG fucking difference.

 

[jillian]

Honor killing are on the rise in the United States and in Canada. Committed by imported Muslims, proving that their atavistic cruel 7th century nature has not changed by civilization around them.

Look it up. Wiki is your friend.

because they happen so often here...

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Domestic violence is domestic violence - whether it's inspired by religion, culture, or simple mysogeny - a woman is still brutally who shouldn't have been but you seem to think there is a difference.

there is a difference between domestic violence that is cultural and domestic violence that is individual.

 

[jillian]

Honor killing are on the rise in the United States and in Canada. Committed by imported Muslims, proving that their atavistic cruel 7th century nature has not changed by civilization around them.

Look it up. Wiki is your friend.

because they happen so often here...

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

Because 'honor killing' is always done in the name allah. Just as lying stealing and cheating is always done in the name of allah. Just as murdering the 'infidel' is always done in the name of allah.
BIG difference.
It's like saying car thefts happen everywhere BUT having a verse in the koran demanding of all 'true believers' that every blue BMW on the planet must be stolen.

Honor killing is not done "in the name of Allah" - it's a cultural attitude prevalent in the Middle East and other areas where women have little value or rights: Honor killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Examples...

India

In 2010, the Supreme Court of India issued notice in regard to honor killings to the states of Punjab, Haryana, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Jharkhand, Himachal Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh.[186]
Honor killings have been reported in northern regions of India, mainly in the Indian states of Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh, as a result of people marrying without their family's acceptance, and sometimes for marrying outside their caste or religion. In contrast, honor killings are rare to non-existent in South India and the western Indian states of Maharashtra and Gujarat. In some other parts of India, notably West Bengal, honor killings completely ceased about a century ago, largely due to the activism and influence of reformists such as Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Vidyasagar and Raja Ram Mohan Roy.[187]
of Punjab, Haryana, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Jharkhand, Himachal Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh.[186]​

Punjab is majority Sikh and Hindu. Rajasthan, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh are also majority Hindu.

South America has it's own form of "Honor Killing" - "Crimes of Passion". Women aren't well regarded in those societies either.

it may not be done "in the name of allah"... but the Koran is clear... "if your wife shall disobey you, beat her for she is subservient." (then it tells them to stop beating her if she "obeys")

 

[Weatherman2020]

Just in case anyone decided to claim (as has already happened) that Muslims are staying silent over the Paris attacks. They're not. Clearly. You're just not listening.

Paris attacks: Muslims around the world condemn Islamic State massacre

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, Qatar and Turkey have all condemned these attacks, as shown by this site.

"Not in my name" - Muslims speak out against Paris attacks conducted in the name of Islam

Loads of Muslims on Twitter denouncing the attacks.

Muslims strongly condemn Paris terror attacks

"Muslims worldwide on Saturday strongly condemned the terrorist attacks by the Islamic State that killed at least 127 people in Paris."

"Tariq Ramadan, a professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University in England and president of the European Muslim Network think tank said in a statement: “Absolute and immediate condemnation. They shouted, we are told, ‘Allahu akbar” (God [is] the greatest) to support and justify their inhuman actions."

Just because you're not listening, doesn't mean they aren't speaking.

30 Muslims in Paris turn out to protest Muslim violence.

Only 30 Paris Muslims in City of 224,000 Muslims Turn Out to Protest Bloody ISIS Attacks - The Gateway Pundit

 

[jc456]

Kind of late for the NOT us song and dance. No apology has come forth either has it? Have they turned in the planners? No.
Its the same old song and dance we hear EVERY time after one of those attacks.

If Karma and justice are TRULY equal their's IS coming and they have EARNED it.

Who is supposed to "apologize" and why? Surely you don't expect an apology from ISIS?

There comes a time when a country or a people say enough is enough. They now have reached that point. Why are the supposed "moderates" not naming names?

I myself do NOT support boots on the ground in Syria BUT if they attack the United States or Americans AGAIN? Kill them ALL.

What names are they supposed to know? Who is supposed to apologize? What does an American Muslim family in Binghamton NY have to apologize for?

funny, do you think that today's white folks are responsible for slavery? Just trying to see where you're at.

 

[Pogo]

because they happen so often here...

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Domestic violence is domestic violence - whether it's inspired by religion, culture, or simple mysogeny - a woman is still brutally who shouldn't have been but you seem to think there is a difference.

there is a difference between domestic violence that is cultural and domestic violence that is individual.

Not really. It may take a different form here and there but individual domestic violence can't begin without a cultural background opening the door to it.

And here we're back to the root --- patriarchy.

 

[jillian]

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Domestic violence is domestic violence - whether it's inspired by religion, culture, or simple mysogeny - a woman is still brutally who shouldn't have been but you seem to think there is a difference.

there is a difference between domestic violence that is cultural and domestic violence that is individual.

Not really. It may take a different form here and there but individual domestic violence can't begin without a cultural background opening the door to it.

And here we're back to the root --- patriarchy.

i'm going to disagree with you on this one.

which is not to say I think it is in "the name of allah".... it isn't.

but it is sanctioned by the Koran in a way that regular abuse isn't sanctioned.

 

[DarkFury]

because they happen so often here...

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Domestic violence is domestic violence - whether it's inspired by religion, culture, or simple mysogeny - a woman is still brutally who shouldn't have been but you seem to think there is a difference.

there is a difference between domestic violence that is cultural and domestic violence that is individual.

Do you intend to argue that domestic violence is a religious right?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Not really. It may take a different form here and there but individual domestic violence can't begin without a cultural background opening the door to it.

And here we're back to the root --- patriarchy.

Lol, the problem with Muslim terrorism is the Patriarchy?

roflmao

 

[Pogo]

Just in case anyone decided to claim (as has already happened) that Muslims are staying silent over the Paris attacks. They're not. Clearly. You're just not listening.

Paris attacks: Muslims around the world condemn Islamic State massacre

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, Qatar and Turkey have all condemned these attacks, as shown by this site.

"Not in my name" - Muslims speak out against Paris attacks conducted in the name of Islam

Loads of Muslims on Twitter denouncing the attacks.

Muslims strongly condemn Paris terror attacks

"Muslims worldwide on Saturday strongly condemned the terrorist attacks by the Islamic State that killed at least 127 people in Paris."

"Tariq Ramadan, a professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University in England and president of the European Muslim Network think tank said in a statement: “Absolute and immediate condemnation. They shouted, we are told, ‘Allahu akbar” (God [is] the greatest) to support and justify their inhuman actions."

Just because you're not listening, doesn't mean they aren't speaking.

30 Muslims in Paris turn out to protest Muslim violence.

Only 30 Paris Muslims in City of 224,000 Muslims Turn Out to Protest Bloody ISIS Attacks - The Gateway Pundit

^^ thinks Jim Hoft has something to do with journalism...

The event isn't until tomorrow, Einstein.

Several hundred people, Muslims and non-Muslims, gather to pray at the Grande Mosque in Lyon, France, November 15, 2015, for the victims of the series of shootings in Paris on Friday. (Reuters) ​

 

[Pogo]

Not really. It may take a different form here and there but individual domestic violence can't begin without a cultural background opening the door to it.

And here we're back to the root --- patriarchy.

Lol, the problem with Muslim terrorism is the Patriarchy?

roflmao

Uh...... nnnno Gummo. Try actually reading the background. In that tangent we were on the topic of HBV, the root of which is patriarchy. The root of terrorism, on the other hand, is politics. Try to keep up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Just in case anyone decided to claim (as has already happened) that Muslims are staying silent over the Paris attacks. They're not. Clearly. You're just not listening.

Paris attacks: Muslims around the world condemn Islamic State massacre

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, Qatar and Turkey have all condemned these attacks, as shown by this site.

"Not in my name" - Muslims speak out against Paris attacks conducted in the name of Islam

Loads of Muslims on Twitter denouncing the attacks.

Muslims strongly condemn Paris terror attacks

"Muslims worldwide on Saturday strongly condemned the terrorist attacks by the Islamic State that killed at least 127 people in Paris."

"Tariq Ramadan, a professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University in England and president of the European Muslim Network think tank said in a statement: “Absolute and immediate condemnation. They shouted, we are told, ‘Allahu akbar” (God [is] the greatest) to support and justify their inhuman actions."

Just because you're not listening, doesn't mean they aren't speaking.

30 Muslims in Paris turn out to protest Muslim violence.

Only 30 Paris Muslims in City of 224,000 Muslims Turn Out to Protest Bloody ISIS Attacks - The Gateway Pundit

^^ thinks Jim Hoft has something to do with journalism...

The event isn't until tomorrow, Einstein.

Several hundred people, Muslims and non-Muslims, gather to pray at the Grande Mosque in Lyon, France, November 15, 2015, for the victims of the series of shootings in Paris on Friday. (Reuters) ​

Symbolic blather that proves absolutely nothing.

Show me where they have given the French police actionable intel or had helped arrest a fellow Muslim intent on committing violence and then maybe you will start to build some credibility.

But words are nothing but air, dont even rate a fart in a hurricane.

 

[Pogo]

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Domestic violence is domestic violence - whether it's inspired by religion, culture, or simple mysogeny - a woman is still brutally who shouldn't have been but you seem to think there is a difference.

there is a difference between domestic violence that is cultural and domestic violence that is individual.

Not really. It may take a different form here and there but individual domestic violence can't begin without a cultural background opening the door to it.

And here we're back to the root --- patriarchy.

i'm going to disagree with you on this one.

which is not to say I think it is in "the name of allah".... it isn't.

but it is sanctioned by the Koran in a way that regular abuse isn't sanctioned.

I don't know -- I don't have a Koran, but to the extent it may appear there, as in the Holey Babble, it's a reflection of what was already established (culturally) before it was written.

And the Babble itself sanctions stuff like getting stoned to death for homosexuality, defying one's parents, even gathering sticks on the Sabbath, so these wags trying to pretend it's all in one religion while ignoring their own, is a massive double standard.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Just in case anyone decided to claim (as has already happened) that Muslims are staying silent over the Paris attacks. They're not. Clearly. You're just not listening.

Paris attacks: Muslims around the world condemn Islamic State massacre

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, Qatar and Turkey have all condemned these attacks, as shown by this site.

"Not in my name" - Muslims speak out against Paris attacks conducted in the name of Islam

Loads of Muslims on Twitter denouncing the attacks.

Muslims strongly condemn Paris terror attacks

"Muslims worldwide on Saturday strongly condemned the terrorist attacks by the Islamic State that killed at least 127 people in Paris."

"Tariq Ramadan, a professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University in England and president of the European Muslim Network think tank said in a statement: “Absolute and immediate condemnation. They shouted, we are told, ‘Allahu akbar” (God [is] the greatest) to support and justify their inhuman actions."

Just because you're not listening, doesn't mean they aren't speaking.

30 Muslims in Paris turn out to protest Muslim violence.

Only 30 Paris Muslims in City of 224,000 Muslims Turn Out to Protest Bloody ISIS Attacks - The Gateway Pundit

^^ thinks Jim Hoft has something to do with journalism...

The event isn't until tomorrow, Einstein.

Several hundred people, Muslims and non-Muslims, gather to pray at the Grande Mosque in Lyon, France, November 15, 2015, for the victims of the series of shootings in Paris on Friday. (Reuters) ​

I see about 10 Muslims in that picture.

Unless Muslims bring cameras to pray for jihad.

 

[Coyote]

Kind of late for the NOT us song and dance. No apology has come forth either has it? Have they turned in the planners? No.
Its the same old song and dance we hear EVERY time after one of those attacks.

If Karma and justice are TRULY equal their's IS coming and they have EARNED it.

Who is supposed to "apologize" and why? Surely you don't expect an apology from ISIS?

There comes a time when a country or a people say enough is enough. They now have reached that point. Why are the supposed "moderates" not naming names?

I myself do NOT support boots on the ground in Syria BUT if they attack the United States or Americans AGAIN? Kill them ALL.

What names are they supposed to know? Who is supposed to apologize? What does an American Muslim family in Binghamton NY have to apologize for?

funny, do you think that today's white folks are responsible for slavery? Just trying to see where you're at.

Where did you pull that from? Of course not. What a stupid non-sequiter.

 

[Pogo]

Just in case anyone decided to claim (as has already happened) that Muslims are staying silent over the Paris attacks. They're not. Clearly. You're just not listening.

Paris attacks: Muslims around the world condemn Islamic State massacre

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia, Qatar and Turkey have all condemned these attacks, as shown by this site.

"Not in my name" - Muslims speak out against Paris attacks conducted in the name of Islam

Loads of Muslims on Twitter denouncing the attacks.

Muslims strongly condemn Paris terror attacks

"Muslims worldwide on Saturday strongly condemned the terrorist attacks by the Islamic State that killed at least 127 people in Paris."

"Tariq Ramadan, a professor of Islamic Studies at Oxford University in England and president of the European Muslim Network think tank said in a statement: “Absolute and immediate condemnation. They shouted, we are told, ‘Allahu akbar” (God [is] the greatest) to support and justify their inhuman actions."

Just because you're not listening, doesn't mean they aren't speaking.

30 Muslims in Paris turn out to protest Muslim violence.

Only 30 Paris Muslims in City of 224,000 Muslims Turn Out to Protest Bloody ISIS Attacks - The Gateway Pundit

^^ thinks Jim Hoft has something to do with journalism...

The event isn't until tomorrow, Einstein.

Several hundred people, Muslims and non-Muslims, gather to pray at the Grande Mosque in Lyon, France, November 15, 2015, for the victims of the series of shootings in Paris on Friday. (Reuters) ​

Symbolic blather that proves absolutely nothing.

Show me where they have given the French police actionable intel or had helped arrest a fellow Muslim intent on committing violence and then maybe you will start to build some credibility.

But words are nothing but air, dont even rate a fart in a hurricane.

Once again you fail to read the background.

I wouldn't have access to what intel Paris police have, any more than you would, and massive deflection noted. I was addressing the troll's Jim Hoft post about "only 30 Muslims" showing up for something, and that's supposed to prove..... well I have no idea what it was supposed to prove.

Nothing about that has jack shit to do with police intel.

 

[jc456]

because they happen so often here...

So, you don't believe in "even one is too many" any more?

Why do you guys act like honor killing is so much worse than other domestic violence? Both end up with a woman dead.

One is promoted by the religious culture, and favored by the juridical system,

because muslims cant get it together for a secular regime.....

Bullshit.
It has no religious function. It's an act of social order and social class.

And what is creating social order and social class???

You think religion is something out there floating on the air, dont touch anything?

Well, this might be the case in a secular western country, even tho it would still have something from the religion, but eminently not in an islamist country where religion dictates anything and everything, including social order, class and justice.

Most all countries are govern by some religious belief.

 

[jc456]

Kind of late for the NOT us song and dance. No apology has come forth either has it? Have they turned in the planners? No.
Its the same old song and dance we hear EVERY time after one of those attacks.

If Karma and justice are TRULY equal their's IS coming and they have EARNED it.

Who is supposed to "apologize" and why? Surely you don't expect an apology from ISIS?

There comes a time when a country or a people say enough is enough. They now have reached that point. Why are the supposed "moderates" not naming names?

I myself do NOT support boots on the ground in Syria BUT if they attack the United States or Americans AGAIN? Kill them ALL.

What names are they supposed to know? Who is supposed to apologize? What does an American Muslim family in Binghamton NY have to apologize for?

funny, do you think that today's white folks are responsible for slavery? Just trying to see where you're at.

Where did you pull that from? Of course not. What a stupid non-sequiter.

so if the blacks want restitution for their historical ancestor's bondage, do they get it from us?