Muslims are our friends but Islam is the enemy of Western Civilization?

[Foxfyre]

Enlightened? I think not.

Your Zionist leaders already decided to strand the Jews on a stolen island called Israel.

Surrounded not by water, but by enemies.

Not a smart move.

And why would people on a tiny strip of land not even as large as one of our largest counties in New Mexico be surrounded by enemies? They did not choose the Arabs/Iranians as enemies. The Arabs/Iranians declared them to be enemies. Because they were Jews.

And as yet you nor any other person of the Muslim faith has given me ANY reason to believe that Israel is hated for ANY reason other than they are Jews.

 

[Sunni Man]

Always with the pictures of the nazis Ropey.

Just another Zionist smoke and mirrors show.

The Jews had been driven out of many countries well before Muhammad was born and there was a religion called Islam.

And many more nations had carried out pogroms on the Jews before Hitler was born or the rise of the Nazi Party.

So it's a joke to blame either Muslims or Nazis for the plight of the Chosen People.


Question: Ropey why do you chose to be so dishonest and misleading about the facts?

Or is it a basic tenant of Judiasm to slander and lie in such an obvious manner?

 

[Ropey]

Or is it a basic tenant of Judiasm to slander and lie in such an obvious manner?

Sunni Man. The word is "Tenet".

I am not anti-semitic at all.

And actually worry that people will finally get fed up with the Jews and cause them harm.

History has shown this to be the case over and over;

as Jews have been killed and driven out of countless countries throughout history.

My solution to the Jewish problem.

Would be to round them up world wide and find and island to quarantine them on.

There are several islands in the world that could easily contain the 13 million Jews that currently reside in various nations and Israel.

This way the Jews could build the ultimate Hebrew society they have always dreamed of.

Several gun boats would patrol the waters around the island to prevent any Jews from trying to escape.

This way the Jews could be protected from harm; and the world could finally have peace and security.

Thus a Win = Win for both Jews and Gentiles

And the Jews slander the poor Arabs?

 

[Sunni Man]

And as yet you nor any other person of the Muslim faith has given me ANY reason to believe that Israel is hated for ANY reason other than they are Jews.

No, they are in No way hated because they are Jews.

That is a lie spread by zionist Israeli's and RW Americans.


Read your history books.

The Jews would seek out Muslims lands to settle in because they wanted their protection.

From the Christians who were always murdering and driving the Jews from their lands.

 

[Sunni Man]

Or is it a basic tenant of Judiasm to slander and lie in such an obvious manner?

Sunni Man. The word is "Tenet".

I see you can't refute the obvious Truth that I posted.

Basically only finding a one letter grammatical error.

 

[Ropey]

Or is it a basic tenant of Judiasm to slander and lie in such an obvious manner?

Sunni Man. The word is "Tenet".

I see you can't refute the obvious Truth that I posted.

Basically only finding a one letter grammatical error.

There's no need to debate your view that Jews are not human. You call for their removal worldwide.

And Jews hate Arabs? Where is the Jew call for the end of Arabians?

You say "All Jews"

And we hate?

 

[Sunni Man]

There's no need to debate your view that Jews are not human.

Ropey you are a blatant liar.

I have never one said or insinuated that Jews are not human.

 

[Ropey]

There's no need to debate your view that Jews are not human.

Ropey you are a blatant liar.

I have never one said or insinuated that Jews are not human.

Removing Jews (worldwide) from humanity is the same thing as saying they don't belong with humanity Sunni Man.

You don't see this? Seriously? Games aside, you do not see this extension you make?

You are not at all enlightened. You are not a child. You are married and are teaching this to ...

 

[Foxfyre]

And as yet you nor any other person of the Muslim faith has given me ANY reason to believe that Israel is hated for ANY reason other than they are Jews.

No, they are in No way hated because they are Jews.

That is a lie spread by zionist Israeli's and RW Americans.


Read your history books.

The Jews would seek out Muslims lands to settle in because they wanted their protection.

From the Christians who were always murdering and driving the Jews from their lands.

Son, I write history on this stuff. At the time the Jews settled in Canaan/Palestine, they were thousands of years ahead of the first Christians. And Islam arrived 700 years after Christianity. So what Muslims have the Jews ever petitioned to protect them?

 

[Sunni Man]

Son, I write history on this stuff. At the time the Jews settled in Canaan/Palestine, we were thousands of years ahead of the first Christians. And Islam arrived 700 years after Christianity. So what Muslims have the Jews ever petitioned to protect them?

If I am your son; that you are a very old lady indeed.


For 400 years Jews fled several European countries to find safety in Muslim controlled Al Andalus (Spain).

Jews like the great scholar Maimonides resided there and trained Jewish students.

This "Golden Age" ended when the Christians defeated the Muslims.

And expelled the Jews under threat of death as part of the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[High_Gravity]

Son, I write history on this stuff. At the time the Jews settled in Canaan/Palestine, we were thousands of years ahead of the first Christians. And Islam arrived 700 years after Christianity. So what Muslims have the Jews ever petitioned to protect them?

If I am your son; that you are a very old lady indeed.


For 400 years Jews fled several European countries to find safety in Muslim controlled Al Andalus (Spain).

Jews like the great scholar Maimonides resided there and trained Jewish students.

This "Golden Age" ended when the Christians defeated the Muslims.

And expelled the Jews under threat of death as part of the Spanish Inquisition.

Plus there were Jewish communities in pretty much every Muslim country until the creation of Israel when they got forced out.

 

[Sunni Man]

Plus there were Jewish communities in pretty much every Muslim country until the creation of Israel when they got forced out.

Correct.

The creation of Israel in 1948 and the driving out of the Palestinians ushered in the the modern conflict between the Muslims and the Jews.

Before that, historically the Jews found that they were much safer in Muslim lands.

Because Christians were always trying to kill them.

 

[Sunni Man]

And this proves what Rpoey?

Islam was only about 20 years old at the time and very weak when they expelled the Jews out of Arabia.

The stronger Jews had waged war against the Muslims and lost.

Ancient history by anyone's standards.


What I posted about Al Andalus (Spain) is considered modern history.

But, I guess you hate the idea that Jews and Muslims could live and work together in peace.

And are always looking for the negative.

 

[Ropey]

There had been, for some long but uncertain period, a significant number of Jews in Arabia. historians claim that very large numbers of Jews – as high as 80,000 – arrived after the destruction of the First Temple, to join others already long established in places such as the oasis of Khaybar as well as the trading colonies in Medina and Mecca (where they even had their own cemetery). Another theory posits that these Jews were refugees from Byzantine persecutions. Regardless, Arab historians mention some 20 Jewish tribes, including two tribes of Kohanim.[3]

The Constitution of Medina, written shortly after hijra, addressed some points regarding the civil and religious situation for the Jewish communities living within the city from an Islamic perspective. For example, the constitution stated that the Jews "will profess their religion, and the Muslims theirs", and they "shall be responsible for their expenditure, and the Muslims for theirs". Rarely did Jews live with such freedom. After the Battle of Badr, the Jewish tribe of Banu Qaynuqa allegedly breached treaties and agreements with Muhammad. Islam's Prophet regarded this as casus belli and besieged the Banu Qaynuqa. Upon surrender the tribe was expelled.[4] The following year saw the expulsion of the second tribe, the Banu Nadir, accused of planning to kill the prophet Muhammad. The third major Jewish tribe in Medina, Banu Qurayza was eliminated when the Muslims besieged their fortifications not long after the fall of the Banu Nadir, an event reported in Surah 33:25-27 of the Qur'an.[5]

In year 20 of the Muslim era, or the year 641 AD, Muhammad's successor the Caliph 'Umar decreed that Jews and Christians should be removed from all but the southern and eastern fringes of Arabia—a decree based on the (sometimes disputed) uttering of the Prophet: "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". The two populations in question were the Jews of the Khaybar oasis in the north and the Christians of Najran.[6] Other sources report the forced deportation of Jews and Christians occurring in 634 AD, with the last remnants of these two monotheistic religions being removed from the Arabian peninsula by the year 650.[7] From this point onwards the Holy Land of the Hijaz was forbidden to non-Muslims.[8] Only the Red Sea port of Jedda was permitted as a "religious quarantine area" and continued to have a small complement of Jewish merchants.

Since the 11th century, there have been instances of pogroms against Jews.[12] Examples include the 1066 Granada massacre, the razing of the entire Jewish quarter in the Andalucian city of Granada.[13] In North Africa, there were cases of violence against Jews in the Middle Ages,[14] and in other Arab lands including Egypt,[15] Syria.[16] and Yemen[17] Jewish population was confined to segregated quarters, or mellahs, in Morocco beginning from the 15th century. In cities, a mellah was surrounded by a wall with a fortified gateway. In contrast, rural mellahs were separate villages inhabited solely by the Jews.[18]

The Almohads, who had taken control of much of Islamic Iberia by 1172, were far more fundamentalist in outlook than the Almoravides, and they treated the dhimmis harshly. Jews and Christians were expelled from Morocco and Islamic Spain.[19] Faced with the choice of either death or conversion, some Jews, such as the family of Maimonides, fled south and east to the more tolerant Muslim lands, while others went northward to settle in the growing Christian kingdoms.[20][21]

In 1400, the Jews of Aleppo were herded into their synagogues and slaughtered to the last man by soldiers of Central Asian Islamic conqueror Tamerlane; the young women were raped.[22] In 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.[23][24]

In 1492, Askia Mohammad I came to power in the previously tolerant region of Timbuktu and decreed that Jews must convert to Islam or leave; Judaism became illegal in Mali, as it did in Catholic Spain that same year.[25]

History of the Jews under Muslim rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828.[28] In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. It was only by forcible conversion that a massacre was averted.[29] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[30][31] In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam.[32]

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews:

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."

There were times of peace for Jews in the Arabian Peninsula. There were times of peace with Germany and their Jews. Russia and their Jews, Italy and their Jews, etc.

There were also times where new leaders came in and who had different views and who worked to exterminate the Jews. Arabs were no different.

This is history...

 

[Ropey]

But, I guess you hate the idea that Jews and Muslims could live and work together in peace.

And are always looking for the negative.

And you are the one who wants to remove ALL THE WORLDS JEWRY and transport them to an island to remove them from the rest of mankind.

And I am negative?

LMAO

 

[Sunni Man]

I am always searching for an fair, equitable and non violent solution to the world's Jewish problem.

How can that be seen as negative?

 

[Ropey]

I am always searching for an fair, equitable and non violent solution to the world's Jewish problem.

How can that be seen as negative?

I am not anti-semitic at all.

And actually worry that people will finally get fed up with the Jews and cause them harm.

History has shown this to be the case over and over;

as Jews have been killed and driven out of countless countries throughout history.

My solution to the Jewish problem.

Would be to round them up world wide and find and island to quarantine them on.

There are several islands in the world that could easily contain the 13 million Jews that currently reside in various nations and Israel.

This way the Jews could build the ultimate Hebrew society they have always dreamed of.

Several gun boats would patrol the waters around the island to prevent any Jews from trying to escape.

This way the Jews could be protected from harm; and the world could finally have peace and security.

Thus a Win = Win for both Jews and Gentiles

Jewish Problem

A final solution to the Jewish Problem eh Sunni Man?

For years Hitler and his men had discussed what to do about "The Jewish Problem". While the Jews were no more a problem in the 20th century than they had ever been, they are the one people who have remained a nation within nations, and having never lost their national identity, many monarchs and rulers throughout the centuries have felt uneasy at their presence, often scapegoating them for the sins of a nation. At the turn of the 20th century, the same attitudes existed, only now in the light of the new world view of the National Socialists, the Jews in the Reich's eyes, were the stumbling block to a 'New European Order', and to the possibility of Herrenvolk or a racial type of a 'superior' people. The Judenrein of Germany and Europe, or the cleansing of all Jewish bloodlines,culture and influence, was the determinant solution to the 'Jewish Question' which became known as "Endlosung" or "The Final Solution to the Jewish Question". At the beginning of the war, only the methods remained undecided.

"The Jewish Problem and It's Final Solution"

Speech by Adolf Hitler, January 31, 1939.
Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131:

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

Yes, we know your solution to the Jewish Problem Sunni Man. It is not much different than the beginnings of Trotsky and Hitler.

They had power. You don't. You both seem to want the same things though. A removal of every Jew in the world and expulsion from humanity.

 

[Foxfyre]

Son, I write history on this stuff. At the time the Jews settled in Canaan/Palestine, we were thousands of years ahead of the first Christians. And Islam arrived 700 years after Christianity. So what Muslims have the Jews ever petitioned to protect them?

If I am your son; that you are a very old lady indeed.


For 400 years Jews fled several European countries to find safety in Muslim controlled Al Andalus (Spain).

Jews like the great scholar Maimonides resided there and trained Jewish students.

This "Golden Age" ended when the Christians defeated the Muslims.

And expelled the Jews under threat of death as part of the Spanish Inquisition.

Plus there were Jewish communities in pretty much every Muslim country until the creation of Israel when they got forced out.

But Sunni Man seems to have learned a very different history than I have been taught. \

While it is true that in the Middle Ages the Roman Church's treatment of Jews was deplorable, most persecuted Jews did not flee to the Muslim countries but rather more accommodating European and North African countries. That is why there were so many Jewis in Germany and Poland for Hitler to round up for massacre; and why there were so many in Russia until Lenin and Stalin launched their viscious pograms to drive them out.

Muhammed himself marshalled forces that drove the Jews from Medina and in the late 19th and 20th Centuries, they have fared little better in the Muslim lands in which they have settled. I think it was the 11th Century that more than 1500 Jewish families were massacred in the Granada Massacre in Spain--not by Christians but by Muslims. In the Middle Ages Jews were allowed to live in Muslim lands but were considered inferior and were required to pay the jizya to the Muslims and later poll taxes and sometimes identify themselves with certain garb or whatever. Intermittant massacres and confiscation of property and expulsions went on with some regularity.

In WWII Muslim were divided with some uninvolved, a few Muslim countries allied with the Allies, others with the Axis and participating fully the ultimate massacre that we know as the Holocaust.

Though Egypt and Jordan now have uneasy peace treaties with Israel, I don't recall ANY time in history that any Muslim nation has been allied with or even friendly to Jews in any conflict.

 

[Sunni Man]

Ropey, why do you insist on trying to link what I say to the nazis?

I have no connection to them or their ideology.

I am repulsed at many of their actions and do not condone them.

So why can't you hold a debate without dragging in Hitler and his group?

Or is that the only debating position you can muster up?

 

[Ropey]

This way the Jews could be protected from harm; and the world could finally have peace and security.

So, if you were to remove all the Jews from the rest of the world, all wars would stop and peace would rein?