My older daughter, a teacher, called me last night...

[BlackSand]

Teachers are not trained to be armed protectors. That's what the police are trained for. I trust teachers to educate children. Otherwise they are just ordinary people, and I would never put them in the role of an armed protector. I have taught for 30 years and know teachers well: most of them are not people I would trust with a gun. Just like I don't trust most of you gun nuts with one. Guns are something only professionals should be in control of.

There are ways to educate teachers to manage firearms and active shooter situations.
Most teachers in pilot programs are shocked when they learn what is necessary to engage an active shooter.
They have to completely flip their psyche from nurture and bring back to calm ... To eliminate the target.

It doesn't mean that they are not capable ... And they have been doing very well in the Faster program.
That is a key in any critical situation ... Faster response.

There is nothing you can teach a cop that you cannot teach a teacher.
Your objections are to the firearms and those who desire the ability to defend themselves and their students.

Teachers have been armed in places for quite some time.
You don't see incidents where they lose their mind and shoot the children or lose control of their firearms to a child.

Your fears amount to nothing more than fear ... And fear is no longer an adequate response ...

.

 

[Brain357]

Yes that is one of the boogymen you use while our children are actually being killed.

The countries I speak of all have legal gun ownership. They are not however flooded with guns for mass killing.

They do not have freedom of firearm ownership, you scare too easily.
People kill people firearms do not...

You just don't care at all that kids are being murdered in school. What the hell is wrong with you?

More frivolous gun laws will not save any kids, But the killing fields that are gun free zones will continue to kill kids, we have a bunch of dead kids as proof...

The absense of guns is the ONLY thing that will save them.

See... what did I tell you guys, nothing short of absolute firearm confiscation.
It always eventually comes out… LOL

Guns in school tend to shoot a lot of kids. UK doesn't have full confiscation, but they don't have a school shooting problem either.

 

[fanger]

More frivolous laws? Criminals love the idea of more frivolous gun laws...

Yes gun laws like in countries where they don't have mass shootings. I hardly call that frivolous.

Do they have drugs in those unnamed countries? Drugs are illegal here and we have lots of drugs. You want drugs and don't know where to get them? Ask a high schooler, they'll get them for you

Lets name some countries Denmark, UK, Germany, France, Japan.... We have whole countries where gun control is working. We also made machine gun heavily regulated and they have pretty much disappeared from crime.

We will never remove guns from America, it is to tied into the Constitution and culture.

We need to focus on training on teachers catching behaviors, we need parent involved with their children and not coddling them but helping them to become responsible for their lives and where they are at in life.

These countries have not removed all guns. We can have guns, but do we need guns for mass killing? Do we need AR15's with 30 round magazines? Have you noticed that mass killings have increased now that high capacity magazines are everywhere?

No one mentions SSRI's and other mind altering
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"medication"

 

[peach174]

Quit lying you pussy, it’s all about total firearm confiscation. It always has been, anybody can see right through progressives on this matter...

Yes that is one of the boogymen you use while our children are actually being killed.

The countries I speak of all have legal gun ownership. They are not however flooded with guns for mass killing.

They do not have freedom of firearm ownership, you scare too easily.
People kill people firearms do not...

You just don't care at all that kids are being murdered in school. What the hell is wrong with you?

More frivolous gun laws will not save any kids, But the killing fields that are gun free zones will continue to kill kids, we have a bunch of dead kids as proof...

The absense of guns is the ONLY thing that will save them.

Then doing it your way means getting rid of the 2nd amendment.
Not going to happen soon, so what's the alternative?
Kids being protected by them, like they are intended for, protection.

 

[Brain357]

Teachers are not trained to be armed protectors. That's what the police are trained for. I trust teachers to educate children. Otherwise they are just ordinary people, and I would never put them in the role of an armed protector. I have taught for 30 years and know teachers well: most of them are not people I would trust with a gun. Just like I don't trust most of you gun nuts with one. Guns are something only professionals should be in control of.

There are ways to educate teachers to manage firearms and active shooter situations.
Most teachers in pilot programs are shocked when they learn what is necessary to engage an active shooter.
They have to completely flip their psyche from nurture and bring back to calm ... To eliminate the target.

It doesn't mean that they are not capable ... And they have been doing very well in the Faster program.
That is a key in any critical situation ... Faster response.

There is nothing you can teach a cop that you cannot teach a teacher.
Your objections are to the firearms and those who desire the ability to defend themselves and their students.

Teachers have been armed in places for quite some time.
You don't see incidents where they lose their mind and shoot the children or lose control of their firearms to a child.

Your fears amount to nothing more than fear ... And fear is no longer an adequate response ...

.

Let just make the police be teachers then. Because it's usually the same type of person the applies for those jobs...

 

[kaz]

Do they have drugs in those unnamed countries? Drugs are illegal here and we have lots of drugs. You want drugs and don't know where to get them? Ask a high schooler, they'll get them for you

Lets name some countries Denmark, UK, Germany, France, Japan.... We have whole countries where gun control is working. We also made machine gun heavily regulated and they have pretty much disappeared from crime.

OK, good. At least a start. Now tell me why your single cause leads to that result in all those countries, they have fewer shootings because they have more gun laws.

Don't forget to include why we didn't have those shootings either other than the last 20-30 years and we had the same number of guns

Also keep in mind the types of guns have really changed. 30 years ago everyone didn't have high capacity magazines. Now we are littered with them. When I was a kid cops were still using revolvers. Flood a country with guns for mass killing and you get more mass killing. We had the sense to heavily regulate machine guns.

There were far fewer shootings. All your argument boils down to is putting the genie back in the bottle. The trend at all the places that you mentioned is the same as here. You're trying to swim upstream with no indication it will work.

And in fact, shooting after shooting is showing why that is evil, it IS working to disarm honest citizens. How do you look at 17 dead and not think oh your God, maybe some people need to be armed? Where is your soul, man?

Why did the shooter in Parkland stop shooting people when he did?

As I understand it, he got rid of his guns and ran out with fleeing students to try to get away. It would have worked except a cop coming to the shooting recognized him from the description of his clothing. Why do you ask?

BTW, leftists all claim to be gun owners. That's how they know guns emanate an aura of evil and only the government should be able to have them

 

[Brain357]

You're sick. You're really, really sick.

He is a gun dealer...

 

[Esmeralda]

Yes that is one of the boogymen you use while our children are actually being killed.

The countries I speak of all have legal gun ownership. They are not however flooded with guns for mass killing.

They do not have freedom of firearm ownership, you scare too easily.
People kill people firearms do not...

You just don't care at all that kids are being murdered in school. What the hell is wrong with you?

More frivolous gun laws will not save any kids, But the killing fields that are gun free zones will continue to kill kids, we have a bunch of dead kids as proof...

The absense of guns is the ONLY thing that will save them.

Said hitler... lol

Someone like you, so obsessed with guns, you must not have any kind of dick at all.

 

[kaz]

kaz ....why did the shooter stop shooting and killing people when he did?

Just answered that question. I'm not a genie, you can't rub my lamp and demand I appear. Just FYI, I'm leaving in like three minutes for the afternoon

 

[Esmeralda]

You're sick. You're really, really sick.

He is a gun dealer...

He's as sick as they come. Bet his hands are even smaller than T-rump's.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Lets name some countries Denmark, UK, Germany, France, Japan.... We have whole countries where gun control is working. We also made machine gun heavily regulated and they have pretty much disappeared from crime.

OK, good. At least a start. Now tell me why your single cause leads to that result in all those countries, they have fewer shootings because they have more gun laws.

Don't forget to include why we didn't have those shootings either other than the last 20-30 years and we had the same number of guns

Also keep in mind the types of guns have really changed. 30 years ago everyone didn't have high capacity magazines. Now we are littered with them. When I was a kid cops were still using revolvers. Flood a country with guns for mass killing and you get more mass killing. We had the sense to heavily regulate machine guns.

There were far fewer shootings. All your argument boils down to is putting the genie back in the bottle. The trend at all the places that you mentioned is the same as here. You're trying to swim upstream with no indication it will work.

And in fact, shooting after shooting is showing why that is evil, it IS working to disarm honest citizens. How do you look at 17 dead and not think oh your God, maybe some people need to be armed? Where is your soul, man?

Why did the shooter in Parkland stop shooting people when he did?

As I understand it, he got rid of his guns and ran out with fleeing students to try to get away. It would have worked except a cop coming to the shooting recognized him from the description of his clothing. Why do you ask?

BTW, leftists all claim to be gun owners. That's how they know guns emanate an aura of evil and only the government should be able to have them

You don't believe that I am a CC permit holder who owns a firearm? Is that what you are claiming?

 

[LoneLaugher]

kaz ....why did the shooter stop shooting and killing people when he did?

Just answered that question. I'm not a genie, you can't rub my lamp and demand I appear. Just FYI, I'm leaving in like three minutes for the afternoon

Yeah. You didn't answer. You didn't tell me why you think he stopped shooting.

It's NOT because he was being shot at.

What reason could there be?

 

[Rustic]

I still wonder what makes guns so attractive to so many people? I can understand kids in the days of the old western movies, riding their pretend horses and shooting the rustlers with their pretend guns, but some stopped the pretense, and seemed able to leave that age behind them. I wonder if the NRA helps keep that age alive for some?

For people in a rural areas it’s all about a way of life, It’s part of the fabric of our very existence.
Being an American Indian it is especially essential, I basically hunt for all of my meat for me and my family.
Me and my family don’t do any of the things that people in urban areas do whatsoever, so there is no relation at all there.
And the federal government has a history of fucking over people they disagree with… See what they did to the Indian nations.
It’s a rural thing you would not understand, Which is fine because I don’t give two shits if you do. Obviously you’re not supposed to..

By the way the NRA is not anywhere near pro-gun enough for your information

 

[Rustic]

OK, good. At least a start. Now tell me why your single cause leads to that result in all those countries, they have fewer shootings because they have more gun laws.

Don't forget to include why we didn't have those shootings either other than the last 20-30 years and we had the same number of guns

Also keep in mind the types of guns have really changed. 30 years ago everyone didn't have high capacity magazines. Now we are littered with them. When I was a kid cops were still using revolvers. Flood a country with guns for mass killing and you get more mass killing. We had the sense to heavily regulate machine guns.

There were far fewer shootings. All your argument boils down to is putting the genie back in the bottle. The trend at all the places that you mentioned is the same as here. You're trying to swim upstream with no indication it will work.

And in fact, shooting after shooting is showing why that is evil, it IS working to disarm honest citizens. How do you look at 17 dead and not think oh your God, maybe some people need to be armed? Where is your soul, man?

Why did the shooter in Parkland stop shooting people when he did?

As I understand it, he got rid of his guns and ran out with fleeing students to try to get away. It would have worked except a cop coming to the shooting recognized him from the description of his clothing. Why do you ask?

BTW, leftists all claim to be gun owners. That's how they know guns emanate an aura of evil and only the government should be able to have them

You don't believe that I am a CC permit holder who owns a firearm? Is that what you are claiming?

You’re a progressive that wants to take firearms from other people you disagree with… Plain and simple

 

[kaz]

Countries with strong gun control don't have this problem. Where is your soul?

Where's your brain?

What a stupid answer. The shooter was shooting freely because of YOUR LAWS. And you want more laws to make the shooter even more safe. And you ask where MY soul is? What a dumb ass

 

[fanger]

Is there CCTV of the accused firing?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Also keep in mind the types of guns have really changed. 30 years ago everyone didn't have high capacity magazines. Now we are littered with them. When I was a kid cops were still using revolvers. Flood a country with guns for mass killing and you get more mass killing. We had the sense to heavily regulate machine guns.

There were far fewer shootings. All your argument boils down to is putting the genie back in the bottle. The trend at all the places that you mentioned is the same as here. You're trying to swim upstream with no indication it will work.

And in fact, shooting after shooting is showing why that is evil, it IS working to disarm honest citizens. How do you look at 17 dead and not think oh your God, maybe some people need to be armed? Where is your soul, man?

Why did the shooter in Parkland stop shooting people when he did?

As I understand it, he got rid of his guns and ran out with fleeing students to try to get away. It would have worked except a cop coming to the shooting recognized him from the description of his clothing. Why do you ask?

BTW, leftists all claim to be gun owners. That's how they know guns emanate an aura of evil and only the government should be able to have them

You don't believe that I am a CC permit holder who owns a firearm? Is that what you are claiming?

You’re a progressive that wants to take firearms from other people you disagree with… Plain and simple

I am a gun owner. Plain and simple, bitch.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Is there CCTV of the accused firing?

Why would you ask that in this thread?

 

[kaz]

More frivolous laws? Criminals love the idea of more frivolous gun laws...

Yes gun laws like in countries where they don't have mass shootings. I hardly call that frivolous.

Do they have drugs in those unnamed countries? Drugs are illegal here and we have lots of drugs. You want drugs and don't know where to get them? Ask a high schooler, they'll get them for you

Lets name some countries Denmark, UK, Germany, France, Japan.... We have whole countries where gun control is working. We also made machine gun heavily regulated and they have pretty much disappeared from crime.

We will never remove guns from America, it is to tied into the Constitution and culture.

We need to focus on training on teachers catching behaviors, we need parent involved with their children and not coddling them but helping them to become responsible for their lives and where they are at in life.

These countries have not removed all guns. We can have guns, but do we need guns for mass killing? Do we need AR15's with 30 round magazines? Have you noticed that mass killings have increased now that high capacity magazines are everywhere?

Ah, so we make them illegal and then they disappear! Poof!

You haven't explained two things:

1) Why your plan has been tried to remove drugs by making them illegal and it hasn't worked at all

2) Why you say that and still demand an open southern border where guns can be freely brought in like drugs are now.

Well? "brain" (sic)?

 

[Rustic]

We will never remove guns from America, it is to tied into the Constitution and culture.

We need to focus on training on teachers catching behaviors, we need parent involved with their children and not coddling them but helping them to become responsible for their lives and where they are at in life.

These countries have not removed all guns. We can have guns, but do we need guns for mass killing? Do we need AR15's with 30 round magazines? Have you noticed that mass killings have increased now that high capacity magazines are everywhere?

Quit lying you pussy, it’s all about total firearm confiscation. It always has been, anybody can see right through progressives on this matter...

Yes that is one of the boogymen you use while our children are actually being killed.

The countries I speak of all have legal gun ownership. They are not however flooded with guns for mass killing.

They do not have freedom of firearm ownership, you scare too easily.
People kill people firearms do not...

Look at all the other damage done. Our law enforcement are shot at a rate not seen in countries with strong gun control. We lose over one a week typically. Because of this they also shoot a lot of people. This causes distrust of the police and leads to higher crime rates, including our higher homicide rates. There is a whole lot of death associated with too many guns, we lose hundreds just in accidental shootings.

Almost 33 thousand people have died from medical errors So far this year. Where is the out reach for this criminal behavior? There are much bigger fish to fry than what you speak of, take your pick…
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America