Nanny State: NYC considers alcohol bans

[BDBoop]

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

 

[Oddball]

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

Way to go out of your way to miss the point again.....You're getting really good at it.

 

[KevinWestern]

Nanny/Police Staters created 40,000 new Laws in 2011 alone. Big Brother just gets bigger & bigger by the year. I'm not quite sure why so many Americans have become Authority-Worshipping sheep. Maybe this explains it a bit?...

SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube

Why do you hate freedom?

Yeah, the 5:00 mark of the video really does sum it all up. Most Americans only know Authority-Worship. And now here we are. What a sad mess.

We must remember that it's not just the Democrats who pass (or want to pass) nanny laws. If I recall, a certain (extraordinarily popular & supported) Republican Presidential candidate talked about how he would be very tough on his crackdown of "Hardcore Pornography". You know, because it's such a horrible sin and all....

And what about the recent bill H.R. 347 that was just passed by BOTH Republicans and Democrats, which basically is another bill that continues to nudge our 1st Amendment Rights into non-existence. How come our main "Small gov't" party - the Republicans - are helping usher these sorts of things through? Aren't they supposed to be the guys who want to limit the power of government?

If the Republicans actually wanted a smaller government, they'd be supporting guys like Paul instead of Romney. I hear a lot of you bitching about liberals left and right because of their big government policies, but have no problem supporting the Republican Party who co-authored bills such as the recent NDAA 2012 act. Again, this was another bill that was virulently opposed by Ron Paul because of it's big government implications, while other Republicans seemed not to care one bit.....



US Congress Passes Authoritarian Anti-protest Law Bill H.R. 347 | The Total Collapse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

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[High_Gravity]

Happy hour in the city could end if Department of Health policy party-poopers go ahead with a proposal to outlaw beer and booze specials at bars and restaurants, sources told The Post.

“It’s absolutely been discussed,” confirmed a department source. “It goes to show you the spirit with which they operate. Everyone is a child.”

High-level conversations have gone beyond merely “throwing pencils on the ceiling and seeing what sticks,” another Health source revealed.

Sources said the happy-hour ban is being pushed by the agency’s marathon-running boss, Commissioner Thomas Farley, and is serious enough for one source to say the alcohol lobby had better find itself a good lawyer.

Agency spokesman Sam Miller denied existing “plans to pursue any policy around discount-alcohol sale.”

But sources said the anti-booze sentiment at the agency has reached a fever pitch, with officials recently asking state officials about the “legality of liquor in ice cream,” referring to potent products infused with bourbon, rum and tequila.

A prohibition on discounted drinks is solidly in line with Farley’s goals, which he outlined in his “Take Care New York 2012” report.

n January, The Post revealed another sobering DOH scheme — a plan to reduce the “density’’ of alcohol outlets.

If a ban is enacted, it would put the Big Apple on par with 19 states that prohibit happy hour.

Read more: City mulls happy hour ban - NYPOST.com

And people are worried about a Mormon in power?

We are turning into Iran more and more everyday.

 

[Artevelde]

Happy hour in the city could end if Department of Health policy party-poopers go ahead with a proposal to outlaw beer and booze specials at bars and restaurants, sources told The Post.

“It’s absolutely been discussed,” confirmed a department source. “It goes to show you the spirit with which they operate. Everyone is a child.”

High-level conversations have gone beyond merely “throwing pencils on the ceiling and seeing what sticks,” another Health source revealed.

Sources said the happy-hour ban is being pushed by the agency’s marathon-running boss, Commissioner Thomas Farley, and is serious enough for one source to say the alcohol lobby had better find itself a good lawyer.

Agency spokesman Sam Miller denied existing “plans to pursue any policy around discount-alcohol sale.”

But sources said the anti-booze sentiment at the agency has reached a fever pitch, with officials recently asking state officials about the “legality of liquor in ice cream,” referring to potent products infused with bourbon, rum and tequila.

A prohibition on discounted drinks is solidly in line with Farley’s goals, which he outlined in his “Take Care New York 2012” report.

n January, The Post revealed another sobering DOH scheme — a plan to reduce the “density’’ of alcohol outlets.

If a ban is enacted, it would put the Big Apple on par with 19 states that prohibit happy hour.

Read more: City mulls happy hour ban - NYPOST.com

And people are worried about a Mormon in power?

There seems to be no cure for the common stupidity.

 

[Artevelde]

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

Considering the fairly different effects, that is nonsense.

 

[BDBoop]

Socialists/Progressives are a prettty confused bunch. I see most of them pushing for legalizing Marijuana 24/7, while at the same time pushing for this kind of Nanny/Police State nonsense. They need to make up their minds and get real.

The first rationale that comes out of their mouths viz. pot decrim is tax revenue.

They don't really give a flying fuck over the "keep your laws off my body" aspect of it at all.

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

Guess I should have quoted you so you could follow the train of thought. Derp.

 

[jillian]

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

Way to go out of your way to miss the point again.....You're getting really good at it.

i didn't think your being a mod included being thread monitor...

 

[High_Gravity]

Looks like I might have to start buying my liquor off of hoodlums in the streets like they did during prohibition.

 

[jillian]

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

Considering the fairly different effects, that is nonsense.

well, to be fair, pot's never been my thing, but i've never heard of anyone getting into a bar fight while high on pot or driving the wrong way on a highway while high on pot.

i just don't see a huge difference in effect between me having a drink and someone else getting a little high.

 

[Artevelde]

I just think pot is far and away better than liquor. If liquor is legal, there is no reason pot shouldn't be as well.

Considering the fairly different effects, that is nonsense.

well, to be fair, pot's never been my thing, but i've never heard of anyone getting into a bar fight while high on pot or driving the wrong way on a highway while high on pot.

i just don't see a huge difference in effect between me having a drink and someone else getting a little high.

The addictive effect is much higher and people high on pot do cause accidents. People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties.

 

[BDBoop]

The addictive effect is much higher? I'll need to see a source, Sparky.

People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties. Really? I'm sure it happens sometimes. Not often enough to be posted as a statement of fact, though. And I sure as shit don't want to be on the road with them while the presumption is they're just peachy keen, jellybean.

 

[jillian]

Considering the fairly different effects, that is nonsense.

well, to be fair, pot's never been my thing, but i've never heard of anyone getting into a bar fight while high on pot or driving the wrong way on a highway while high on pot.

i just don't see a huge difference in effect between me having a drink and someone else getting a little high.

The addictive effect is much higher and people high on pot do cause accidents. People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties.

yah...we watched Reefer Madness when i was in college, too.

i think a good chunk of the lecture hall was stoned.

 

[paulitician]

Why do you hate freedom?

Yeah, the 5:00 mark of the video really does sum it all up. Most Americans only know Authority-Worship. And now here we are. What a sad mess.

We must remember that it's not just the Democrats who pass (or want to pass) nanny laws. If I recall, a certain (extraordinarily popular & supported) Republican Presidential candidate talked about how he would be very tough on his crackdown of "Hardcore Pornography". You know, because it's such a horrible sin and all....

And what about the recent bill H.R. 347 that was just passed by BOTH Republicans and Democrats, which basically is another bill that continues to nudge our 1st Amendment Rights into non-existence. How come our main "Small gov't" party - the Republicans - are helping usher these sorts of things through? Aren't they supposed to be the guys who want to limit the power of government?

If the Republicans actually wanted a smaller government, they'd be supporting guys like Paul instead of Romney. I hear a lot of you bitching about liberals left and right because of their big government policies, but have no problem supporting the Republican Party who co-authored bills such as the recent NDAA 2012 act. Again, this was another bill that was virulently opposed by Ron Paul because of it's big government implications, while other Republicans seemed not to care one bit.....



US Congress Passes Authoritarian Anti-protest Law Bill H.R. 347 | The Total Collapse

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Yes, it's very sad. Both Political Parties are controlled by Big Government Globalists. It has been that way for a long time. Not many choices in our Elections. I really do hope that changes someday. I really do.

 

[Artevelde]

The addictive effect is much higher? I'll need to see a source, Sparky.

People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties. Really? I'm sure it happens sometimes. Not often enough to be posted as a statement of fact, though. And I sure as shit don't want to be on the road with them while the presumption is they're just peachy keen, jellybean.

What's with the "sparky"?

Not everyone who drinks gets drunk.

Everybody who uses pot gets high.

Do you see the difference or is it too diffucult for you?

 

[paulitician]

More Americans better start demanding Big Brother get off their backs...Before it's too late.

 

[KevinWestern]

Considering the fairly different effects, that is nonsense.

well, to be fair, pot's never been my thing, but i've never heard of anyone getting into a bar fight while high on pot or driving the wrong way on a highway while high on pot.

i just don't see a huge difference in effect between me having a drink and someone else getting a little high.

The addictive effect is much higher and people high on pot do cause accidents. People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties.

The thing is though, when you compare alcohol-related deaths in people under 21 to marijuana-related deaths in people under 21 (I choose under 21 because for this group there's a constant of both substances being illegal for the user), there’s really no comparison.

Alcohol is way, way more deadly.

 

[Artevelde]

well, to be fair, pot's never been my thing, but i've never heard of anyone getting into a bar fight while high on pot or driving the wrong way on a highway while high on pot.

i just don't see a huge difference in effect between me having a drink and someone else getting a little high.

The addictive effect is much higher and people high on pot do cause accidents. People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties.

The thing is though, when you compare alcohol-related deaths in people under 21 to marijuana-related deaths in people under 21 (I choose under 21 because for this group there's a constant of both substances being illegal for the user), there’s really no comparison.

Alcohol is way, way more deadly.

No it isn't, the abuse of alcohol is.
If we followed your reasoning the logical thing would be to ban people under 21 from driving altogether.

 

[jillian]

The addictive effect is much higher and people high on pot do cause accidents. People can consume liquor and be in full control of their faculties.

The thing is though, when you compare alcohol-related deaths in people under 21 to marijuana-related deaths in people under 21 (I choose under 21 because for this group there's a constant of both substances being illegal for the user), there’s really no comparison.

Alcohol is way, way more deadly.

No it isn't, the abuse of alcohol is.
If we followed your reasoning the logical thing would be to ban people under 21 from driving altogether.

actually alcohol has a level at which it is fatal. pot doesn't.

 

[Artevelde]

The thing is though, when you compare alcohol-related deaths in people under 21 to marijuana-related deaths in people under 21 (I choose under 21 because for this group there's a constant of both substances being illegal for the user), there’s really no comparison.

Alcohol is way, way more deadly.

No it isn't, the abuse of alcohol is.
If we followed your reasoning the logical thing would be to ban people under 21 from driving altogether.

actually alcohol has a level at which it is fatal. pot doesn't.

But alcohol can be consumed without getting drunk and pot can't be consumed without getting high.