NATO wants to crush Kaliningrad

Ukraine didn't break free from Russia in 1991, it broke free from the dissolved USSR, as did 14 other republics.

Ukrainians ousted corrupt Yanukovich, not the Yanks.

Skripal is an idiot and so are you if you believe MI5 poisoned him.
Sounds like I just turned on Ukrainian "news". And that is exactly a reason why I stopped listening to them long time ago: they are very efficient in making any brain crooked. Just like yours.

P.S. Have you ever tried to think on your own? Something tells me the answer is : NO.

Everything I wrote is true.

So it's just a coincidence that 2 Russian spies were in Salisbury at the same time as Skripal was poisoned? Their claims they'd gone to Salisbury to see the "World famous" cathedral spire were laughable.

I do think for myself. It's well known that extreme right wingers like Buchanan admire Putin.
 
Yes, Ukraine was dissolved when they threw out their constitution since they couldn’t legally remove the President they didn’t like.

You don’t automatically get to keep the same borders and people, especially when there is a split. The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation. You can cry about it not being “legitimate” because the vote didn’t go the way you wanted, but tough shit. Also, your new Ukrainian army was too weak to take it over. Thus you don’t own it.

Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?

If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia
Yes, Ukraine was dissolved when they threw out their constitution since they couldn’t legally remove the President they didn’t like.

You don’t automatically get to keep the same borders and people, especially when there is a split. The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation. You can cry about it not being “legitimate” because the vote didn’t go the way you wanted, but tough shit. Also, your new Ukrainian army was too weak to take it over. Thus you don’t own it.

Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?

If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.
 
Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?

If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia
Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?

If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.
2014 elections were illegal. According to Ukrainian constitution a new president can be elected before the previous finishes his term if the president is dead, insane or resigns. None from above has happened except for new Ukrainian rulers tried really hard to kill Yanukovich (but failed).
 
Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?

If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia
Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?

If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
 
If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia
If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.
2014 elections were illegal. According to Ukrainian constitution a new president can be elected before the previous finishes his term if the president is dead, insane or resigns. None from above has happened except for new Ukrainian rulers tried really hard to kill Yanukovich (but failed).

Yanukovich was impeached.

What evidence do you have that the Ukrainian government tried to kill Yanukovich?

You should stop relying on Russian "news" channels for your "news". :)
 
If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia
If they did then why isn’t Crimea a part of the new Ukraine?

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.
 
Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia
Crimea isn't in Eastern Ukraine. Donbas is Eastern Ukraine.

Yes, Donbass has elections too:

2014 Donbass general elections - Wikipedia

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk? :)
 
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They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk. :)
This French documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
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They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk. :)
This French documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
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That is the biggest pile of sh*t I ever seen. Odesa wasn't planned and it certainly wasn't orchestrated by the government.
What were Russians from Crimea doing in Odesa that day? They'd come to attack Ukrainians from Kharkiv and Odesa who had organised a peace march there. Everything which followed was as a result of that.

You are so gullible and I don't believe you live in Ukraine either.
 
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They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk. :)
This French documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
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Educate yourself so you'll at least learn what's going on in your own country.

That is the biggest pile of sh*t I ever seen. Odesa wasn't planned and it certainly wasn't orchestrated by the government.
What were Russians from Crimea doing in Odesa that day? They'd come to attack Ukrainians from Kharkiv and Odesa who had organised a peace march there. Everything which followed was as a result of that.

You are so gullible and I don't believe you live in Ukraine either.
Alas, the facts are against you and your little brainwashed mind, dear poor victim of Soros propaganda.
 
The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk. :)
This French documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
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Coup in Ukraine Illustrates America’s Addiction to Meddling and Regime Change
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Educate yourself so you'll at least learn what's going on in your own country.

That is the biggest pile of sh*t I ever seen. Odesa wasn't planned and it certainly wasn't orchestrated by the government.
What were Russians from Crimea doing in Odesa that day? They'd come to attack Ukrainians from Kharkiv and Odesa who had organised a peace march there. Everything which followed was as a result of that.

You are so gullible and I don't believe you live in Ukraine either.
Alas, the facts are against you and your little brainwashed mind, dear poor victim of Soros propaganda.

It's you who's the victim of Kremlin propaganda.
"Soros propaganda" LOL!
 

They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk? :)

Wrong, they didn’t have the votes to impeach. They did not use the constitutional process with articles of impeachment.

Impeachment in Ukraine - Wikipedia

By the way, I could care less about either side. I simply look at this event with objectively and without any attachment or emotion. They overthrew the leader they didn’t like, it was a revolution. That’s fine, revolutions happen, and I can accept the newly formed Ukrainian government for what it is. However as I said before, forming a new government requires the consent of all parties. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea did not consent, so they are not a part of the new Ukraine.

I am a nationalist and believe all people and cultures have a right to have their own sovereign nation. 99% of the worlds geopolitical problems come from borders drawn up that don’t represent the people within them adequately. It’s quite clear that those areas in question in “Ukraine” are ethnic Russians and want no part of Ukraine. What is wrong with letting them choose to be independent or a part of Russia if they wish?
 
They didn't vote to join the Russian Federation.

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk? :)

Wrong, they didn’t have the votes to impeach. They did not use the constitutional process with articles of impeachment.

Impeachment in Ukraine - Wikipedia

By the way, I could care less about either side. I simply look at this event with objectively and without any attachment or emotion. They overthrew the leader they didn’t like, it was a revolution. That’s fine, revolutions happen, and I can accept the newly formed Ukrainian government for what it is. However as I said before, forming a new government requires the consent of all parties. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea did not consent, so they are not a part of the new Ukraine.

I am a nationalist and believe all people and cultures have a right to have their own sovereign nation. 99% of the worlds geopolitical problems come from borders drawn up that don’t represent the people within them adequately. It’s quite clear that those areas in question in “Ukraine” are ethnic Russians and want no part of Ukraine. What is wrong with letting them choose to be independent or a part of Russia if they wish?

Even Yanukovich's own Party of Regions voted against him. There was no way he could have continued as president.

It's obvious you have bias to one side. It wasn't possible for voting to take place in Eastern Ukraine or Crimea, because the occupiers wouldn't allow it.

The problem this is an ethnic majority from another country which wants to break.away. A country which has more territory than any other. Do you support the independence of Kosovo? There are many ethnicities and nationalities who would like independence, how far could it go? It would mean Quebec, Basques, Catalonia, Kurdistan, Tibet and parts of Russia becoming independent amongst many others.
 
They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk? :)

Wrong, they didn’t have the votes to impeach. They did not use the constitutional process with articles of impeachment.

Impeachment in Ukraine - Wikipedia

By the way, I could care less about either side. I simply look at this event with objectively and without any attachment or emotion. They overthrew the leader they didn’t like, it was a revolution. That’s fine, revolutions happen, and I can accept the newly formed Ukrainian government for what it is. However as I said before, forming a new government requires the consent of all parties. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea did not consent, so they are not a part of the new Ukraine.

I am a nationalist and believe all people and cultures have a right to have their own sovereign nation. 99% of the worlds geopolitical problems come from borders drawn up that don’t represent the people within them adequately. It’s quite clear that those areas in question in “Ukraine” are ethnic Russians and want no part of Ukraine. What is wrong with letting them choose to be independent or a part of Russia if they wish?

Even Yanukovich's own Party of Regions voted against him. There was no way he could have continued as president.

It's obvious you have bias to one side. It wasn't possible for voting to take place in Eastern Ukraine or Crimea, because the occupiers wouldn't allow it.

The problem this is an ethnic majority from another country which wants to break.away. A country which has more territory than any other. Do you support the independence of Kosovo? There are many ethnicities and nationalities who would like independence, how far could it go? It would mean Quebec, Basques, Catalonia, Kurdistan, Tibet and parts of Russia becoming independent amongst many others.

If a people are strong enough and have the numbers to form an army enough to hold their ground, then yes they should have their own nation.

For example, many people hate Jews and hate Israel, and call it an illegal “occupation” of Palestine. Yet they have an army able to hold it, and already have defended it against foreign attackers. Even if you hate Jews, what is wrong with allowing them to have their own nation? It would encourage Jews to move their and out of other nations. Same for Muslims. I hate Muslims, but still believe they are entitled to their own shit hole countries, and we should deport Muslims so they can return to their own shit holes instead of making Western countries into shit holes.

The new Ukraine isn’t strong enough to hold to the lands in what used to be Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. So stop crying about. Otherwise pick up a rifle and join the fight to take it back from the Russians. Until then you sound like a little bitch crying about losing a war.
 
Russification changed that, but there are still a lot of people with Ukrainian last names in Russia.
Russification changed that, but there are still a lot of people with Ukrainian last names in Russia.

I've noticed some people from Russia have Ukrainian surnames.

You shall notice Ukraine is not welcome by any western citizen.

Yes it is, thousands of Westerners visit Ukraine every year. Only brainwashed Kremlin disciples hate Ukraine, one of the least offensive countries in the World.

I visit cheap Russian brothels ( a whore $10 ) and drink cheap Russian alcohol in cheap hotels.

Now we know what you get up to when you go to Russia. :) People who visit Ukraine are far more cultured than that.
He also posts like a Russian learning English.


No a trash can like Ukraine decides about the western policy toward Russia.
Not only Crimea alone but also 90 % of Ukraine belong to Russia!

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No part of Ukraine belongs to Russia.
Crimea is Ukraine!

Ukraine was dissolved when the revolutionaries threw out their constitution in order to choose a new leader and government.
You don’t just get to throw out the rule book and then try to use the same rule book to claim what your borders are. When forming a new country, you only get to claim the land you hold with your army and who ever willingly participates in that new government.

Crimea clearly did not and they chose to side with Russia. Funny how you fascists don’t give a shit about democracy. It didn’t work for you when trying to remove the rightfully elected president, and you ignore the will of the people in Crimea.

Ukraine has been dissoved? Russia signed the Budapest memorandum in 1994 agreeing to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up it's nuclear weapons. Russia broke the treaty, it is the aggressor, stop passing the blame.

The Crimea referendum was a fake referendum. What facists? The Ukrainian government aren't fascists, nor have they ever been. The fascists are in Russia, why do you think your president is known as Putler?

Yes, Ukraine was dissolved when they threw out their constitution since they couldn’t legally remove the President they didn’t like.

You don’t automatically get to keep the same borders and people, especially when there is a split. The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation. You can cry about it not being “legitimate” because the vote didn’t go the way you wanted, but tough shit. Also, your new Ukrainian army was too weak to take it over. Thus you don’t own it.

Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?
Staged vote, fraud and it couldn't be fair anyway. Who's going to risk getting executed if they say they want to remain in Ukraine?

They didn’t exactly vote to join the new Ukrainian government now did they? They elected Donetsk officials who were separatists.

The elections were not any more illegal than the Ukraine choosing a new President when they failed to impeach the legitimate one.

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk. :)
This French documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
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Educate yourself so you'll at least learn what's going on in your own country.

That is the biggest pile of sh*t I ever seen. Odesa wasn't planned and it certainly wasn't orchestrated by the government.
What were Russians from Crimea doing in Odesa that day? They'd come to attack Ukrainians from Kharkiv and Odesa who had organised a peace march there. Everything which followed was as a result of that.

You are so gullible and I don't believe you live in Ukraine either.
Odessa was staged by the Russian intelligence services in cooperation with members of the Odessa police. They set up the snipers on the streets and also orchestrated what happened in that building that was on fire.
 
Odessa was staged by the Russian intelligence services in cooperation with members of the Odessa police. They set up the snipers on the streets and also orchestrated what happened in that building that was on fire.

And Ukrainian parliament speaker Parubiy was instructing those "Russian snipers" just a day before the massacre had happen. That's just another piece of Ukrainian nonsense.

Human Rights Watch about Ukraine (2018 report):

“For the last year, Kyiv has been treating its human rights obligation as though they were optional,” said Tanya Cooper, Ukraine researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The authorities are carrying out some deeply undemocratic practices and proposing new laws that that undermine Ukrainians’ fundamental freedoms.”

In recent months, Ukraine’s government took several steps to restrict freedom of expression, media freedom, and freedom of association,

The leadership of the State Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) denied its responsibility for secret detention and enforced disappearances, despite numerous, well-documented allegations by former detainees. The military prosecutor’s investigation into these practices yielded no meaningful results.

Justice for crimes committed during the 2014 Maidan protests, which led to the ouster of the Ukrainian government, and for mass disturbances in Odesa remained elusive. Four years after Maidan, authorities appear unwilling to pursue meaningful prosecutions of those responsible for more than 100 deaths and numerous other crimes.

Ukraine: Failing Its Human Rights Commitments

Are you morons paid for spreading Ukrainian lies?
 
Odessa was staged by the Russian intelligence services in cooperation with members of the Odessa police. They set up the snipers on the streets and also orchestrated what happened in that building that was on fire.

And Ukrainian parliament speaker Parubiy was instructing those "Russian snipers" just a day before the massacre had happen. That's just another piece of Ukrainian nonsense.

Human Rights Watch about Ukraine (2018 report):

“For the last year, Kyiv has been treating its human rights obligation as though they were optional,” said Tanya Cooper, Ukraine researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The authorities are carrying out some deeply undemocratic practices and proposing new laws that that undermine Ukrainians’ fundamental freedoms.”

In recent months, Ukraine’s government took several steps to restrict freedom of expression, media freedom, and freedom of association,

The leadership of the State Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) denied its responsibility for secret detention and enforced disappearances, despite numerous, well-documented allegations by former detainees. The military prosecutor’s investigation into these practices yielded no meaningful results.

Justice for crimes committed during the 2014 Maidan protests, which led to the ouster of the Ukrainian government, and for mass disturbances in Odesa remained elusive. Four years after Maidan, authorities appear unwilling to pursue meaningful prosecutions of those responsible for more than 100 deaths and numerous other crimes.

Ukraine: Failing Its Human Rights Commitments

Are you morons paid for spreading Ukrainian lies?
I didn't say they were Russian. I said they were from the Odessa Militsiya (I guess the police was called that then) and other pro-Russian agitators, from Berkut or whatnot. Possibly a few Russians from outside as well, but mostly Ukrainian citizens.

Like yourself.
 
The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk? :)

Wrong, they didn’t have the votes to impeach. They did not use the constitutional process with articles of impeachment.

Impeachment in Ukraine - Wikipedia

By the way, I could care less about either side. I simply look at this event with objectively and without any attachment or emotion. They overthrew the leader they didn’t like, it was a revolution. That’s fine, revolutions happen, and I can accept the newly formed Ukrainian government for what it is. However as I said before, forming a new government requires the consent of all parties. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea did not consent, so they are not a part of the new Ukraine.

I am a nationalist and believe all people and cultures have a right to have their own sovereign nation. 99% of the worlds geopolitical problems come from borders drawn up that don’t represent the people within them adequately. It’s quite clear that those areas in question in “Ukraine” are ethnic Russians and want no part of Ukraine. What is wrong with letting them choose to be independent or a part of Russia if they wish?

Even Yanukovich's own Party of Regions voted against him. There was no way he could have continued as president.

It's obvious you have bias to one side. It wasn't possible for voting to take place in Eastern Ukraine or Crimea, because the occupiers wouldn't allow it.

The problem this is an ethnic majority from another country which wants to break.away. A country which has more territory than any other. Do you support the independence of Kosovo? There are many ethnicities and nationalities who would like independence, how far could it go? It would mean Quebec, Basques, Catalonia, Kurdistan, Tibet and parts of Russia becoming independent amongst many others.

If a people are strong enough and have the numbers to form an army enough to hold their ground, then yes they should have their own nation.

For example, many people hate Jews and hate Israel, and call it an illegal “occupation” of Palestine. Yet they have an army able to hold it, and already have defended it against foreign attackers. Even if you hate Jews, what is wrong with allowing them to have their own nation? It would encourage Jews to move their and out of other nations. Same for Muslims. I hate Muslims, but still believe they are entitled to their own shit hole countries, and we should deport Muslims so they can return to their own shit holes instead of making Western countries into shit holes.

The new Ukraine isn’t strong enough to hold to the lands in what used to be Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. So stop crying about. Otherwise pick up a rifle and join the fight to take it back from the Russians. Until then you sound like a little bitch crying about losing a war.

No they shouldn't. Foreigners can't just decide to declare independence from the country they're living in.

That doesn't make it right. Israel can get away with whatever it want, because it's backed by the US. I'm not saying Jews shouldn't be allowed to have their own nation, but that doesn't give them the right to persecute other nations.

Don't take sides? LOL! Would you like it if someone invaded Russia and took part of it's territory? Of course you wouldn't, you hypocrite.
 
I've noticed some people from Russia have Ukrainian surnames.

You shall notice Ukraine is not welcome by any western citizen.

Yes it is, thousands of Westerners visit Ukraine every year. Only brainwashed Kremlin disciples hate Ukraine, one of the least offensive countries in the World.

I visit cheap Russian brothels ( a whore $10 ) and drink cheap Russian alcohol in cheap hotels.

Now we know what you get up to when you go to Russia. :) People who visit Ukraine are far more cultured than that.
He also posts like a Russian learning English.


No part of Ukraine belongs to Russia.
Crimea is Ukraine!

Ukraine was dissolved when the revolutionaries threw out their constitution in order to choose a new leader and government.
You don’t just get to throw out the rule book and then try to use the same rule book to claim what your borders are. When forming a new country, you only get to claim the land you hold with your army and who ever willingly participates in that new government.

Crimea clearly did not and they chose to side with Russia. Funny how you fascists don’t give a shit about democracy. It didn’t work for you when trying to remove the rightfully elected president, and you ignore the will of the people in Crimea.

Ukraine has been dissoved? Russia signed the Budapest memorandum in 1994 agreeing to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up it's nuclear weapons. Russia broke the treaty, it is the aggressor, stop passing the blame.

The Crimea referendum was a fake referendum. What facists? The Ukrainian government aren't fascists, nor have they ever been. The fascists are in Russia, why do you think your president is known as Putler?

Yes, Ukraine was dissolved when they threw out their constitution since they couldn’t legally remove the President they didn’t like.

You don’t automatically get to keep the same borders and people, especially when there is a split. The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation. You can cry about it not being “legitimate” because the vote didn’t go the way you wanted, but tough shit. Also, your new Ukrainian army was too weak to take it over. Thus you don’t own it.

Yes they could and they did.

"The ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine voted to be a part of the Russian Federation."
When did that vote happen?
Staged vote, fraud and it couldn't be fair anyway. Who's going to risk getting executed if they say they want to remain in Ukraine?

The "DPR" and "LPR" are illegal, so elections there are illegal

Yanukovich was impeached.
Yanukovich was overthrown not impeached. And it was annti-constitutional.

Yes he was and no it wasn't.

Ukraine President Yanukovich impeached

Stratford on the floor again. Ukrainians always kick Kremlin propagandist's ass. Who's next Baron or The Hawk. :)
This French documentary lifts the veil on the deception of the US/Europe/NATO elites and their ever faithful media bullhorns. It informs us of a planned coup, described by the head of Stratfor as the most blatant ever, of the butchering of innocent people in the Odessa Trades Hall at the behest of politicians and oligarchs, and the continuing presence of heavily armed neo-Nazi thugs controlling the streets and occupying politically powerful positions in government.
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Coup in Ukraine Illustrates America’s Addiction to Meddling and Regime Change
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Educate yourself so you'll at least learn what's going on in your own country.

That is the biggest pile of sh*t I ever seen. Odesa wasn't planned and it certainly wasn't orchestrated by the government.
What were Russians from Crimea doing in Odesa that day? They'd come to attack Ukrainians from Kharkiv and Odesa who had organised a peace march there. Everything which followed was as a result of that.

You are so gullible and I don't believe you live in Ukraine either.
Odessa was staged by the Russian intelligence services in cooperation with members of the Odessa police. They set up the snipers on the streets and also orchestrated what happened in that building that was on fire.

I've noticed his English isn't perfect.

Indeed, people forced to vote at gunpoint.

There was certainly something pre planned from the pro Russian side.
 
Odessa was staged by the Russian intelligence services in cooperation with members of the Odessa police. They set up the snipers on the streets and also orchestrated what happened in that building that was on fire.

And Ukrainian parliament speaker Parubiy was instructing those "Russian snipers" just a day before the massacre had happen. That's just another piece of Ukrainian nonsense.

Human Rights Watch about Ukraine (2018 report):

“For the last year, Kyiv has been treating its human rights obligation as though they were optional,” said Tanya Cooper, Ukraine researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The authorities are carrying out some deeply undemocratic practices and proposing new laws that that undermine Ukrainians’ fundamental freedoms.”

In recent months, Ukraine’s government took several steps to restrict freedom of expression, media freedom, and freedom of association,

The leadership of the State Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) denied its responsibility for secret detention and enforced disappearances, despite numerous, well-documented allegations by former detainees. The military prosecutor’s investigation into these practices yielded no meaningful results.

Justice for crimes committed during the 2014 Maidan protests, which led to the ouster of the Ukrainian government, and for mass disturbances in Odesa remained elusive. Four years after Maidan, authorities appear unwilling to pursue meaningful prosecutions of those responsible for more than 100 deaths and numerous other crimes.

Ukraine: Failing Its Human Rights Commitments

Are you morons paid for spreading Ukrainian lies?

We're not paid, unlike you Putin propagandists.
 
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