Negro League historian helps reclaim baseball history

Negros did not play in the MLB till 1947

I can see a black pre integration wing in the Baseball Hall of Fame

But not in the record books


The Negro Leagues (NeL) were known back then to be pitching poor, the best study says pitching was sometimes AA+, sometimes AAA.

Jackie Robinson, who the Dodgers chose to integrate baseball with, didn't play organized baseball, went to the NeL and put up a 205 OPS+ in his one season there; easily the best he ever had as a pro. Proving the point of how poor NeL pitching was.
 
As you see here, the Negro League team beat the Cardinals 6-2. The night before the Cardinals won 5-4 in extra innings after the Giants blew a 4 -0 lead. The Cardinals were managed by Branch Rickey, and one of the players on that team was Hall of Famer Rogers Hornsby.
Incorrect. Hornsby did not play in either the 1920 or 1921 exhibition. Branch Rickey did not manage in the exhibition. The Cardinals' 3rd baseman performed as player-manager. There were also other St Louis Cardinals' stars not playing the exhibition, including their highest paid pitcher.

You also didn’t finish the story. The St Louis Cards (white guys) beat the St Louis Giants (black guys) 4 games to 1 in 1921. The white guys beat the black guys 6 of 9 games in two years.

The Cardinals (white guys) manhandled the Giants’ (black guys) ace pitcher, Bill Drake, scoring 17 runs in 20 innings against Drake in two games in 1921. They even beat the black Giants with a Cardinals’ pitcher who had a career 17-27 MLB record and an ERA of nearly 4. The Cardinals mostly blew out the black Giants’ in games 3, 4, and 5. The black Argus newspaper in St. Louis barely covered game 5.

The black guys had 9 errors in games 3 and 4. The black guys were so despondent that they didn’t even show up for the finale of the six game series.
 
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Considering that players like Babe Ruth knew that the Negro leagues had the best players, the reality is that the Negro Leagues WERE the actual major leagues.

As far as Babe Ruth.

Ruth was known to play along with these sometimes clownish exhibitions, often hamming it up. That’s why Ruth purposely struck out against woman pitcher Jackie Mitchell. That was also an exhibition and Ruth was entertaining the crowd.

This isn’t the say there were no great black players. They existed, but comparing a league based on 10% of the population vs. a league based on 80% of the population is silly.


October 10, 1921: Cardinals barnstormers [white guys] blow out St. Louis Giants [black guys] in exhibition series finale​



 
Incorrect. Hornsby played in neither the 1920 or 1921 exhibition. Branch Rickey did not manage in the exhibition. The Cardinals' 3rd baseman performed as player-manager. There were also other St Louis Cardinals' stars not playing the exhibition, including their highest paid pitcher.

You also didn’t finish the story. The St Louis Cards (white guys) beat the St Louis Giants (black guys) 4 games to 1 in 1921. The white guys beat the black guys 6 of 9 games in two years.

The Cardinals (white guys) manhandled the Giants’ (black guys) ace pitcher, Bill Drake, scoring 17 runs in 20 innings against Drake in two games in 1921. They even beat the black Giants with a Cardinals’ pitcher who had a career 17-27 MLB record and an ERA of nearly 4. The Cardinals mostly blew out the black Giants’ in games 3, 4, and 5. The black Argus newspaper in St. Louis barely covered game 5.

The black guys had 9 errors in games 3 and 4. The black guys were so despondent that they didn’t even show up for the finale of the six game series.
I posted links, so I did provide the finish.

They split in 1920. Whites won 4 out of 5 in 1921. The black team blew a 4 run lead in game one and Bill Drake was mowing down white players until late in that game. They lost that game 5-4 game in 11 inning with Drake as starter which means they scored 13 runs the next time. But regardless of what you want to infer, when blacks were allowed in the majors, they started breaking records. Maury Wills broke Ty Cobbs single season stolen base record. Lou Brock broke Billy Hamiltons career stolen base and then Rickey Henderson broke Brocks later on. Henry Aaron busted Babe Ruths home run record. So did Barry Bonds,. Now Josh Gibson has the higest batting average over Ted Wiliams for a season. Wille Mays died being the only man in MLB history to put up the combined numbers he produced in every category. Satchel Paige was striking out major league hitters in his late 40's. Bob Gibson dominated to such an extent that they changed the pitchers mound. So it most certainly has been proven that blacks were more than capable then and today of playing in the major leagues.
 
I posted links, so I did provide the finish.

They split in 1920. Whites won 4 out of 5 in 1921. The black team blew a 4 run lead in game one and Bill Drake was mowing down white players until late in that game. They lost that game 5-4 game in 11 inning with Drake as starter which means they scored 13 runs the next time. But regardless of what you want to infer, when blacks were allowed in the majors, they started breaking records. Maury Wills broke Ty Cobbs single season stolen base record. Lou Brock broke Billy Hamiltons career stolen base and then Rickey Henderson broke Brocks later on. Henry Aaron busted Babe Ruths home run record. So did Barry Bonds,. Now Josh Gibson has the higest batting average over Ted Wiliams for a season. Wille Mays died being the only man in MLB history to put up the combined numbers he produced in every category. Satchel Paige was striking out major league hitters in his late 40's. Bob Gibson dominated to such an extent that they changed the pitchers mound. So it most certainly has been proven that blacks were more than capable then and today of playing in the major leagues.
All of those players belong in the Hall of Fame because they played in the Major Leagues

Black records from the Negro Leagues do not belong
 
As far as Babe Ruth.

Ruth was known to play along with these sometimes clownish exhibitions, often hamming it up. That’s why Ruth purposely struck out against woman pitcher Jackie Mitchell. That was also an exhibition and Ruth was entertaining the crowd.

This isn’t the say there were no great black players. They existed, but comparing a league based on 10% of the population vs. a league based on 80% of the population is silly.


October 10, 1921: Cardinals barnstormers [white guys] blow out St. Louis Giants [black guys] in exhibition series finale​




10 percent of the population played all black college football and the white schools didn't want to play them. No white team wanted to play Grambing in the 1950's. The fact is that the top black players were equal to the top white payers. Every team was not the Yankees or Cardinals, there were some very poor losing teams in the major leagues.
 
I posted links, so I did provide the finish.

They split in 1920. Whites won 4 out of 5 in 1921. The black team blew a 4 run lead in game one and Bill Drake was mowing down white players until late in that game. They lost that game 5-4 game in 11 inning with Drake as starter which means they scored 13 runs the next time. But regardless of what you want to infer, when blacks were allowed in the majors, they started breaking records. Maury Wills broke Ty Cobbs single season stolen base record. Lou Brock broke Billy Hamiltons career stolen base and then Rickey Henderson broke Brocks later on. Henry Aaron busted Babe Ruths home run record. So did Barry Bonds,. Now Josh Gibson has the higest batting average over Ted Wiliams for a season. Wille Mays died being the only man in MLB history to put up the combined numbers he produced in every category. Satchel Paige was striking out major league hitters in his late 40's. Bob Gibson dominated to such an extent that they changed the pitchers mound. So it most certainly has been proven that blacks were more than capable then and today of playing in the major leagues.
LOL. You didn't mention the second series until I did.

All the black players you mentioned (except Gibson) played in the MLB. Non-MLB players do not belong in MLB record books.
 
What happened to black American baseball players today? There are far more black Dominicans than there are Americans.
There are all kinds of youth programs for American blacks, many of them government sponsored. And yet, Latin players from relatively poor countries bury blacks in MLB representation.
 
Giants play-by-play announcer Jon Miller has been studying baseball his entire life including players from the Negro League now being recognized in MLB record books.

It's about time this was done to correct the record, putting history back into order.

Some would say this correction is "changing our history" when it's actually doing the opposite.

Kenny Choi reports...


I hit 3 triples in a game. I should be in the MLB record books.
 
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Soft ass white people. Omitting black people in the first place was a sign of your fragility. This is setting the record straight. :itsok:
A viral video showing a black student at the University of Virginia asking white students to leave the campus diversity centre has sparked a debate over race.
"Frankly, there's just too many white people in here," the student says in the clip posted on Wednesday.

 
A viral video showing a black student at the University of Virginia asking white students to leave the campus diversity centre has sparked a debate over race.
"Frankly, there's just too many white people in here," the student says in the clip posted on Wednesday.


Displaying someone else's fragility really isn't a cover for your own Soy.
 

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