New Audio Evidence of Trump & Giuliani Corruption and Official Misconduct

Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since it's accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Trump does everything for Trump.

Please, show US how Biden and Obama do everything for US? It’s going to be difficult given that both are career politicians and both are multimillionaires.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.

 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Policy is nothing more than opinion.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Policy is nothing more than opinion.

So? It was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clean up it's corrupt Prosecutor General's office. You want to frame that as opinion, it matters not. That was still our policy. Ukraine's president, who was personal friends with Shokin, resisted. So then Biden finally pressed the issue by threatening to withhold aid.

And what you con freaks refuse to accept is firing Shokin didn't help Burisma, it hurt them. Shokin wasn't prosecuting Zlochevsky -- he was protecting him. The only progress made in the investigation into Burisma came after Shokin was pushed out. Furthermore, idiotic claims from the right that Biden pushed to get a prosecutor fired to protect his son's job is probably stupid -- Shokin's replacement resumed the investigation into Zlochevsky and he was found guilty of tax related crimes and had to be fined and it didn't cost Hunter Biden his job.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.

LOL

You're such a fucking moron, you can't recognize our policy was to crack down on corruption in Ukraine and the Prosecutor General's Office was as corrupt as they come. Some even being caught with bribe diamonds.

Here's more...


Like Ukraine’s police force, the Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off. That means it must investigate and successfully prosecute corruption and asset recovery cases – including locking up dirty personnel in the PGO itself;
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.

LOL

You're such a fucking moron, you can't recognize our policy was to crack down on corruption in Ukraine and the Prosecutor General's Office was as corrupt as they come. Some even being caught with bribe diamonds.

Here's more...

Like Ukraine’s police force, the Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off. That means it must investigate and successfully prosecute corruption and asset recovery cases – including locking up dirty personnel in the PGO itself;

That's your claim. You have no supporting documentation. Making inferences from a speech Biden gave doesn't matter in a court of law. There is no official documentation saying US foreign policy was to get the prosecutor fired.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.

LOL

You're such a fucking moron, you can't recognize our policy was to crack down on corruption in Ukraine and the Prosecutor General's Office was as corrupt as they come. Some even being caught with bribe diamonds.

Here's more...

Like Ukraine’s police force, the Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off. That means it must investigate and successfully prosecute corruption and asset recovery cases – including locking up dirty personnel in the PGO itself;

That's your claim. You have no supporting documentation. Making inferences from a speech Biden gave doesn't matter in a court of law. There is no official documentation saying US foreign policy was to get the prosecutor fired.

LOLOL

I just posted a supporting document. I don't expect you to understand; you're a fucking moron.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.

LOL

You're such a fucking moron, you can't recognize our policy was to crack down on corruption in Ukraine and the Prosecutor General's Office was as corrupt as they come. Some even being caught with bribe diamonds.

Here's more...

Like Ukraine’s police force, the Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off. That means it must investigate and successfully prosecute corruption and asset recovery cases – including locking up dirty personnel in the PGO itself;

That's your claim. You have no supporting documentation. Making inferences from a speech Biden gave doesn't matter in a court of law. There is no official documentation saying US foreign policy was to get the prosecutor fired.

LOLOL

I just posted a supporting document. I don't expect you to understand; you're a fucking moron.

You're insulting morons everywhere.
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.

LOL

You're such a fucking moron, you can't recognize our policy was to crack down on corruption in Ukraine and the Prosecutor General's Office was as corrupt as they come. Some even being caught with bribe diamonds.

Here's more...

Like Ukraine’s police force, the Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off. That means it must investigate and successfully prosecute corruption and asset recovery cases – including locking up dirty personnel in the PGO itself;

That's your claim. You have no supporting documentation. Making inferences from a speech Biden gave doesn't matter in a court of law. There is no official documentation saying US foreign policy was to get the prosecutor fired.

LOLOL

I just posted a supporting document. I don't expect you to understand; you're a fucking moron.

You're insulting morons everywhere.

You're the guy who pretends you don't resort to personal attacks, aren't you?
 
Biden used extortion threatening on behalf of the US not to guarantee a loan. Thugs do that.
Why did he threaten to withhold the loan guarantee?

The answer is quite important because no one is obligated to help another country without conditions. In this situation, the withholding of the guarantee was contingent on Ukraine taking steps to reduce corruption, which starts with getting rid of their corrupt lead prosecutor.

Bullshit. Anyone can make the claim to withhold financing as a step towards reducing corruption. It was not Biden’s call legally yet he gets to make the call because it benefits him politically. That is corruption and it makes Democrats look more full of shit for going after Trump for at a minimum, doing something similar.
You're correct, it wasn’t Biden's call to make. It was Obama's. It was Biden who enforced it because Obama tasked Biden with handling Ukraine.

it was not Obama’s call to make either over the practices of a prosecutor.
It is the president and his administration's call to place conditions upon receiving US aid.

I know conservatives love to say that the US gives out millions of dollars to foreign countries and entities like a person giving out Halloween candy, but that's not the way it works. The US has a review process about giving out aid, and we expect metrics to be provided to show that recipient countries are meeting those targets as they get the aid in regular smaller payments and not in one big lump sum which would essentially eliminate our leverage. That's one of the reasons that the State Dept. has people who routinely stay in contact with our ambassadors to make sure the countries are in compliance with the terms and conditions that they previously agreed to prior to getting approval for the aid.
Here, check this out... the same idiot who says Biden threatening to hold back aid to Ukraine was illegal ...... once said Trump did the same. That moron admits Trump broke the law but he derides Democrats for impeaching Trump over it....

The best thing they have is to go after Trump for using aid as leverage with the Ukraine. This was after they banged the drum slowly on the falsehood that Trump colluded with the Russians to beat Hillary.
Son of a Bitch! ... Trump did the same thing Biden did. See​


[emphasis added to highlight hypocrisy]


I admit that both Biden and Trump did the same with Ukraine. The hypocrisy is that the Left only gets upset when Trump does it yet defends and justifies it to the hilt when Biden does it.

Biden and Trump did NOT do the same thing, and the motives for each were entirely different. Biden's motive was to further official US foreign policy goals which did not benefit him directly other than to fulfill his appointed task as he understood it.

In contrast, Trump was wholly motivated by his personal interest of increasing the likelihood of a successful reelection campaign without regard to what was in the best interests of Ukraine.

Total fucking lie.

LOLOL

Slobbers the USMB's fucking moron.

Oh? What do you hallucinate the lie is?

All of it.

In other words, you can't say. I figured since Mustang was accurate.

U.S. policy at the time was to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who wouldn't prosecute oligarchs and other high profile people. Biden effectively got him removed in accordance with with Obama Administration. There was no active investigation into Burisma at that time and Biden had nothing to gain personally. Biden did that for the U.S.

That's different from Trump who solicited a foreign national to look for dirt on a political rival of his. That would have been a personal gain for Trump whose campaign would have benefitted by having Biden under investigation. Trump did that for Trump.

Was that U.S policy? Where is that written? Show us a document that says so.

Trump didn't do what you claim. Getting the prosecutor fire was a personal gain for Biden.



So?

You asked for the U.S. policy on corruption in Ukraine and I showed it to you. That's so.

No, I asked you to show me a document that says getting the Ukraine prosecuctor fired is offical US policy. You failed to show us anything.

I showed you it was U.S. policy for Ukraine to clamp down on corruption. Shokin was corrupt. He fit into that policy.

That's not what I asked for, moron. Where does it say firing the prosecutor is US policy?

Fucking moron, where it says Ukraine had to clamp down on corruption.

Nope. It doesn't say the US wanted the prosecutor fired. You just assumed it.

LOL

You're such a fucking moron, you can't recognize our policy was to crack down on corruption in Ukraine and the Prosecutor General's Office was as corrupt as they come. Some even being caught with bribe diamonds.

Here's more...

Like Ukraine’s police force, the Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off. That means it must investigate and successfully prosecute corruption and asset recovery cases – including locking up dirty personnel in the PGO itself;

That's your claim. You have no supporting documentation. Making inferences from a speech Biden gave doesn't matter in a court of law. There is no official documentation saying US foreign policy was to get the prosecutor fired.

LOLOL

I just posted a supporting document. I don't expect you to understand; you're a fucking moron.

You need to have it explained that your document doesn't even mention the Ukraine prosecutor, so how does it support your claim?
 
You need to have it explained that your document doesn't even mention the Ukraine prosecutor, so how does it support your claim?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Not even close, you are by far, the biggest fucking moron here. Maybe everywhere.

Fucking moron, it said the "Prosecutor General's Office" was corrupt and not investigating and prosecuting corruption. That was Shokin's office. He ran it and he was not investigating or prosecuting big name crooks. He personally helped the owner of Burisma avoid criminal charges by Great Britain, resulting in all charges being dropped and Great Britain having to release $23 million in assets they seized from Zlochevsky.

You're mind-numbingly retarded, fucking moron.

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You need to have it explained that your document doesn't even mention the Ukraine prosecutor, so how does it support your claim?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Not even close, you are by far, the biggest fucking moron here. Maybe everywhere.

Fucking moron, it said the "Prosecutor General's Office" was corrupt and not investigating and prosecuting corruption. That was Shokin's office. He ran it and he was not investigating or prosecuting big name crooks. He personally helped the owner of Burisma avoid criminal charges by Great Britain, resulting in all charges being dropped and Great Britain having to release $23 million in assets they seized from Zlochevsky.

You're mind-numbingly retarded, fucking moron.

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That still isn't saying that getting the prosecutor fired is official U.S. policy. Biden said that Putin is a killer. Does that mean arresting him is official U.S. policy?

No.
 

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