New CBO report pretty good for Obamacare

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Hi all.

The CBO's annual budget outlook came out and it's got some pretty good news in it.

Premiums are cheaper than they expected when determining the cost of the law This became obvious last year when the actual premiums were first released but, to their credit, the CBO copped to it in their first projection post-premiums being announced. As they say: "CBO and JCT lowered their estimate of average premiums for insurance coverage through exchanges in 2014 by about 15 percent on the basis of a preliminary analysis of plans offered through exchanges." Similarly, projections of federal subsidies per subsidized enrollee dropped by about 11% as costs turned out to be lower than expected.

The net cost of the law this year fallen by $8 billion or more than 16%.

The "bailout" will net the government $8 billion. Apparently conservatives found out recently the law has risk corridors through the end of 2016 and turned it into a major cause. Except, according to the CBO, what once was going to break even is now going to net the government a few billion dollars: "CBO now projects that, over the 2015-2017 period, risk corridor payments from the federal government to health insurers will total $8 billion and that the corresponding collections from insurers will amount to $16 billion, yielding net savings for the federal government of $8 billion. By contrast, in its baseline projections in May 2013, the agency estimated that payments and collections for risk corridors would roughly offset one another."

Medicare spending growth just keeps slowing down. Projected Medicare spending over the 2013-23 period is now $116 billion lower than the CBO projected last spring. As they put it, "the slowdown in Medicare cost growth during the past several years has been sufficiently broad and persistent to lead CBO to project that [Medicare cost] growth will be slower than usual for some years to come."

And if you want to compare to a window covered by the last pre-ACA projection of Medicare spending, back in January 2010, you can compare projections for the 2013-2020 period (an 8 year period, which is smaller than the usual 10-year CBO budget window) then and today: Medicare is now projected to be a whopping $1.093 trillion cheaper over that truncated window than pre-ACA estimates suggested. With the savings, the ACA was supposed to do a little better than breaking even--turns out it's doing a lot better than just breaking even.

The part-timer myth is just that. CBO has seen "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." Turns out anecdotes don't translate into data.

Ultimately they see the ranks of the uninsured shrinking by 13 million in a single year, costs coming in lower than expected, and, while they don't comment on quality, through other indicators we've seen hospital quality conspicuously increasing in recent years. Who knew?
 
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Hi all.

The CBO's annual budget outlook came out and it's got some pretty good news in it.

Premiums are cheaper than they expected when determining the cost of the law This became obvious last year when the actual premiums were first released but, to their credit, the CBO copped to it in their first projection post-premiums being announced. As they say: "CBO and JCT lowered their estimate of average premiums for insurance coverage through exchanges in 2014 by about 15 percent on the basis of a preliminary analysis of plans offered through exchanges." Similarly, projections of federal subsidies per subsidized enrollee dropped by about 11% as costs turned out to be lower than expected.

Umm, what?

How does the fact that the economy sucks prove that Obamacare is a good thing? What was their initial projection for premiums in 2008? Are the new numbers higher, or lower, than those? Isn't this the part of the program that the CBO says will increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion?

The net cost of the law this year fallen by $8 billion or more than 16%.

Isn't that because they delayed most of the things that are projected to cost money?

The "bailout" will net the government $8 billion.
Apparently conservatives found out recently the law has risk corridors through the end of 2016 and turned it into a major cause. Except, according to the CBO, what once was going to break even is now going to net the government a few billion dollars: "CBO now projects that, over the 2015-2017 period, risk corridor payments from the federal government to health insurers will total $8 billion and that the corresponding collections from insurers will amount to $16 billion, yielding net savings for the federal government of $8 billion. By contrast, in its baseline projections in May 2013, the agency estimated that payments and collections for risk corridors would roughly offset one another."

Actually, they say this part is a wild guess based solely on Medicare Part D. Funny thing, all of the things that served to make that program cost less than expected are completely missing in action for Obamacare.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/05/cbo-says-obamacares-bailouts-might-make

Medicare spending growth just keeps slowing down.
Projected Medicare spending over the 2013-23 period is now $116 billion lower than the CBO projected last spring. As they put it, "the slowdown in Medicare cost growth during the past several years has been sufficiently broad and persistent to lead CBO to project that [Medicare cost] growth will be slower than usual for some years to come."

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare, even if we assume the economy is going to continue to suck.

And if you want to compare to a window covered by the last pre-ACA projection of Medicare spending, back in January 2010, you can compare projections for the 2013-2020 period (an 8 year period, which is smaller than the usual 10-year CBO budget window) then and today: Medicare is now projected to be a whopping $1.093 trillion cheaper over that truncated window than pre-ACA estimates suggested. With the savings, the ACA was supposed to do a little better than breaking even--turns out it's doing a lot better than just breaking even.

Are we still double counting thos savings?

Thought so.

The part-timer myth is just that.
CBO has seen "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." Turns out anecdotes don't translate into data.

Let's see, Obamacare has been effect for 1 month, and the CBO cannot be sure that the effects of Obamacare radiate back in time.

Ultimately they see the ranks of the uninsured shrinking by 13 million in a single year, costs coming in lower than expected, and, while they don't comment on quality, through other indicators we've seen hospital quality conspicuously increasing in recent years. Who knew?

They see lots of things that don't stand up to an analysis of the data that exists now as opposed to what they had available in December, when this report was actually written.

Then again, facts never mattered to you.
 
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[MENTION=19448]CrusaderFrank[/MENTION] will be happy that you're back.
 
Hi all.

The CBO's annual budget outlook came out and it's got some pretty good news in it.

Premiums are cheaper than they expected when determining the cost of the law This became obvious last year when the actual premiums were first released but, to their credit, the CBO copped to it in their first projection post-premiums being announced. As they say: "CBO and JCT lowered their estimate of average premiums for insurance coverage through exchanges in 2014 by about 15 percent on the basis of a preliminary analysis of plans offered through exchanges." Similarly, projections of federal subsidies per subsidized enrollee dropped by about 11% as costs turned out to be lower than expected.

The net cost of the law this year fallen by $8 billion or more than 16%.

The "bailout" will net the government $8 billion. Apparently conservatives found out recently the law has risk corridors through the end of 2016 and turned it into a major cause. Except, according to the CBO, what once was going to break even is now going to net the government a few billion dollars: "CBO now projects that, over the 2015-2017 period, risk corridor payments from the federal government to health insurers will total $8 billion and that the corresponding collections from insurers will amount to $16 billion, yielding net savings for the federal government of $8 billion. By contrast, in its baseline projections in May 2013, the agency estimated that payments and collections for risk corridors would roughly offset one another."

Medicare spending growth just keeps slowing down. Projected Medicare spending over the 2013-23 period is now $116 billion lower than the CBO projected last spring. As they put it, "the slowdown in Medicare cost growth during the past several years has been sufficiently broad and persistent to lead CBO to project that [Medicare cost] growth will be slower than usual for some years to come."

And if you want to compare to a window covered by the last pre-ACA projection of Medicare spending, back in January 2010, you can compare projections for the 2013-2020 period (an 8 year period, which is smaller than the usual 10-year CBO budget window) then and today: Medicare is now projected to be a whopping $1.093 trillion cheaper over that truncated window than pre-ACA estimates suggested. With the savings, the ACA was supposed to do a little better than breaking even--turns out it's doing a lot better than just breaking even.

The part-timer myth is just that. CBO has seen "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." Turns out anecdotes don't translate into data.

Ultimately they see the ranks of the uninsured shrinking by 13 million in a single year, costs coming in lower than expected, and, while they don't comment on quality, through other indicators we've seen hospital quality conspicuously increasing in recent years. Who knew?
You certainly know how to parse a sentence to get it to say something else entirely. Took your handlers enough time to come out with the spin this time. Must be getting harder and harder.

Lets take your last highlighted sentence. The word 'has' denotes past, does it not? Now, what does the report say about the future prospects of this law? I seem to recall something about more and more people will cut back hours to take advantage of the subsidies. At a time when the economy needs more people to be working, the prospect of significant reductions in productivity will do damage no one can yet determine.

BTW...the CBO estimates that nearly 2.3 million jobs will see reductions in hours worked or wages earned.
 
[MENTION=19448]CrusaderFrank[/MENTION] will be happy that you're back.

I bet! They may pretend to like a rigthwing circlejerk but you know deep down they don't.

You certainly know how to parse a sentence to get it to say something else entirely. Took your handlers enough time to come out with the spin this time. Must be getting harder and harder.

Lets take your last highlighted sentence. The word 'has' denotes past, does it not?

Indeed, they did do the research before writing that sentence. Unorthodox, I know. Good catch.
 
Medicare spending growth just keeps slowing down. Projected Medicare spending over the 2013-23 period is now $116 billion lower than the CBO projected last spring. As they put it, "the slowdown in Medicare cost growth during the past several years has been sufficiently broad and persistent to lead CBO to project that [Medicare cost] growth will be slower than usual for some years to come."

Spending for Medicare is constrained by a rate-setting
system—called the sustainable growth rate—to control
the fees that physicians receive for their services. If the
system is allowed to operate as currently structured, physicians’
fees will be reduced by about 24 percent in April
2014 and will increase by small amounts in subsequent
years, CBO projects.


Sorry pop.....they cut payments to Drs......there goes your spin.


Premiums are cheaper than they expected when determining the cost of the law This became obvious last year when the actual premiums were first released but, to their credit, the CBO copped to it in their first projection post-premiums being announced. As they say: "CBO and JCT lowered their estimate of average premiums for insurance coverage through exchanges in 2014 by about 15 percent on the basis of a preliminary analysis of plans offered through exchanges." Similarly, projections of federal subsidies per subsidized enrollee dropped by about 11% as costs turned out to be lower than expected.


49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%

49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41% - Forbes

41% is "less" than expected...busted spinning again pop.

CBO now projects that, over the 2015-2017 period, risk corridor payments from the federal government to health insurers will total $8 billion and that the corresponding collections from insurers will amount to $16 billion, yielding net savings for the federal government of $8 billion. By contrast, in its baseline projections in May 2013, the agency estimated that payments and collections for risk corridors would roughly offset one another."

Speculation based on rosy predictions. They cannot project an accurate number because there are no loss ratios yet pop....now even IF they pay out less in REIMBURSEMENTS to insurance companies than they have "projected" there is no "savings" they STILL payed out TAX DOLLARS to BAIL out insurers. More bullshit spin.

The part-timer myth is just that. CBO has seen "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." Turns out anecdotes don't translate into data

CBO estimates that the ACA
will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net,
by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period
from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will
choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and
other incentives they will face and the financial benefits
some will receive.


This is from your link, sorry, the part timer issue is not myth.....who will be hurt"

Because the largest declines in labor
supply will probably occur among lower-wage workers,
the reduction in aggregate compensation (wages, salaries,
and fringe benefits) and the impact on the overall economy
will be proportionally smaller than the reduction in
hours worked.


The very same people you scream to get a "living wage".

Now.....why is this loss of employment less than expected?

First, fewer people will receive
subsidies through health insurance exchanges in that
period, so fewer people will face the implicit tax that
results when higher earnings reduce those subsidies.


Second, CBO expects the unemployment rate to remain
higher than normal over the next few years,


[BThird, the ACA’s
subsidies for health insurance will both stimulate demand
for health care services and allow low-income households
to redirect some of the funds that they would have spent
on that care toward the purchase of other goods and services—
thereby increasing overall demand.][/B]

LOL, your cherry picking as usual makes you look stupid...of course you counted on NOBODY actually READING your source.
 
Hi all.

The part-timer myth is just that. CBO has seen "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." Turns out anecdotes don't translate into data.

I'll just start with this one... ^^^^

The White House on Tuesday launched a full-court press in response to a report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) that found ObamaCare would reduce full-time employment by more than 2 million workers in the coming years.
White House pushes back on CBO report | TheHill

~~~
The new healthcare law will cost the nation the equivalent of 2.5 million workers in the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in a report released Tuesday.
O-Care will cost 2.5M workers by 2024 | TheHill
 
Hi all.

The CBO's annual budget outlook came out and it's got some pretty good news in it.

Premiums are cheaper than they expected when determining the cost of the law This became obvious last year when the actual premiums were first released but, to their credit, the CBO copped to it in their first projection post-premiums being announced. As they say: "CBO and JCT lowered their estimate of average premiums for insurance coverage through exchanges in 2014 by about 15 percent on the basis of a preliminary analysis of plans offered through exchanges." Similarly, projections of federal subsidies per subsidized enrollee dropped by about 11% as costs turned out to be lower than expected.

The net cost of the law this year fallen by $8 billion or more than 16%.

The "bailout" will net the government $8 billion. Apparently conservatives found out recently the law has risk corridors through the end of 2016 and turned it into a major cause. Except, according to the CBO, what once was going to break even is now going to net the government a few billion dollars: "CBO now projects that, over the 2015-2017 period, risk corridor payments from the federal government to health insurers will total $8 billion and that the corresponding collections from insurers will amount to $16 billion, yielding net savings for the federal government of $8 billion. By contrast, in its baseline projections in May 2013, the agency estimated that payments and collections for risk corridors would roughly offset one another."

Medicare spending growth just keeps slowing down. Projected Medicare spending over the 2013-23 period is now $116 billion lower than the CBO projected last spring. As they put it, "the slowdown in Medicare cost growth during the past several years has been sufficiently broad and persistent to lead CBO to project that [Medicare cost] growth will be slower than usual for some years to come."

And if you want to compare to a window covered by the last pre-ACA projection of Medicare spending, back in January 2010, you can compare projections for the 2013-2020 period (an 8 year period, which is smaller than the usual 10-year CBO budget window) then and today: Medicare is now projected to be a whopping $1.093 trillion cheaper over that truncated window than pre-ACA estimates suggested. With the savings, the ACA was supposed to do a little better than breaking even--turns out it's doing a lot better than just breaking even.

The part-timer myth is just that. CBO has seen "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." Turns out anecdotes don't translate into data.

Ultimately they see the ranks of the uninsured shrinking by 13 million in a single year, costs coming in lower than expected, and, while they don't comment on quality, through other indicators we've seen hospital quality conspicuously increasing in recent years. Who knew?

So what your saying is that the premiums that ARE RISING just aren't rising as much as they thought. Only a paid hack would see that as a plus.
My premiums have risen and my deductable has gone up 66%, and I should thank the ACA?
The CBO just came out with an estimate in the rise over the next 9 years regarding your part time employment number for whatever the reason.
Obama lied and people who had insurance lost theirs.
Greenbeard your an obama tool, nothing more.
 
Sorry pop.....they cut payments to Drs......there goes your spin.

Cuts to physician payments don't actually happen, yet the slowdown has already materialized.

In recent years, health care spending has grown much more slowly both nationally and for federal programs than historical rates would have indicated. For example, in 2012, federal spending for Medicare and Medicaid was about 5 percent below the amount that CBO had projected in March 2010.

In response to that slowdown, over the past several years CBO has made a series of downward adjustments to its projections of spending for Medicaid and Medicare. For example, from the March 2010 baseline to the current baseline, technical revisions—mostly reflecting the slower growth in the programs’ spending in recent years—have lowered CBO’s estimates of federal spending for the two programs in 2020 by about $200 billion—by $126 billion for Medicare and by $78 billion for Medicaid, or by roughly 15 percent for each program.

That has continued--actual Medicare spending in 2013 was again almost $30 billion below the March 2010 projections.


Antares said:
41% is "less" than expected...busted spinning again pop.

Exchange premiums aren't just 15% lower than expected (and thus the price tag of the law is lower than advertised), they're up to 20% cheaper than the premiums of comparable employer-based plans according to a recent PricewaterhouseCoopers analysis:

jzw503.jpg


Antares said:
Speculation based on rosy predictions.

If the risk corridors predictions turn out to be as "rosy" as their previous projections, then the savings to the federal government will be in the $10-14 billion range, not $8 billion.

Antares said:
This is from your link, sorry, the part timer issue is not myth.....who will be hurt"

Having not showed up in any data on the actual hours people are working, it is in fact thus far a myth.

The new healthcare law will cost the nation the equivalent of 2.5 million workers in the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in a report released Tuesday.

The CBO is predicting that people will reduce the supply of labor offered. Unlike a demand-side effect, that doesn't mean depressed wages or fewer jobs, it means upward pressure on wages because the pool of labor is (voluntarily) smaller while employer demand is pretty much the same. Are those people who decide they don't need to work as much worse off? In general, no.

So what your saying is that the premiums that ARE RISING just aren't rising as much as they thought.

Ultimately, I'm saying that all health spending, health care prices, and now apparently premiums, are rising slower than expected. Overall health spending and health prices are rising are just about the lowest rates ever recorded at present. We're at a historic juncture in the history of health care in the U.S.
 
Sorry pop.....they cut payments to Drs......there goes your spin.

Cuts to physician payments don't actually happen, yet the slowdown has already materialized.

In recent years, health care spending has grown much more slowly both nationally and for federal programs than historical rates would have indicated. For example, in 2012, federal spending for Medicare and Medicaid was about 5 percent below the amount that CBO had projected in March 2010.

In response to that slowdown, over the past several years CBO has made a series of downward adjustments to its projections of spending for Medicaid and Medicare. For example, from the March 2010 baseline to the current baseline, technical revisions—mostly reflecting the slower growth in the programs’ spending in recent years—have lowered CBO’s estimates of federal spending for the two programs in 2020 by about $200 billion—by $126 billion for Medicare and by $78 billion for Medicaid, or by roughly 15 percent for each program.

That has continued--actual Medicare spending in 2013 was again almost $30 billion below the March 2010 projections.




Exchange premiums aren't just 15% lower than expected (and thus the price tag of the law is lower than advertised), they're up to 20% cheaper than the premiums of comparable employer-based plans according to a recent PricewaterhouseCoopers analysis:

jzw503.jpg




If the risk corridors predictions turn out to be as "rosy" as their previous projections, then the savings to the federal government will be in the $10-14 billion range, not $8 billion.



Having not showed up in any data on the actual hours people are working, it is in fact thus far a myth.

The new healthcare law will cost the nation the equivalent of 2.5 million workers in the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in a report released Tuesday.

The CBO is predicting that people will reduce the supply of labor offered. Unlike a demand-side effect, that doesn't mean depressed wages or fewer jobs, it means upward pressure on wages because the pool of labor is (voluntarily) smaller while employer demand is pretty much the same. Are those people who decide they don't need to work as much worse off? In general, no.

So what your saying is that the premiums that ARE RISING just aren't rising as much as they thought.

Ultimately, I'm saying that all health spending, health care prices, and now apparently premiums, are rising slower than expected. Overall health spending and health prices are rising are just about the lowest rates ever recorded at present. We're at a historic juncture in the history of health care in the U.S.
Deductible up 66%, WTF?
This obummercare was packaged as a net for those without and the poor. Things sure did change about the time you ran off to memorize you next talking points. I think the chamber told you to get your ass back here to push back what has transpired in the real world, greenbeard. So far from what I've read the chamber isn't getting their money out of you. :eusa_whistle:
 

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