New Documents Show Obama Involved In The Flynn Scandal

[Hellokitty]

I still think the motive for going after Flynn was to give the Russia collision legitimacy. They knew the dossier was to over the top with pee pee tapes and other accusations that could easily be disproved. They wouldn't be able to take out TRUMP by going after Papadopolus, or Page and Manaford was only with the campaign for a month. If they didn't get Flynn they would have moved on probably to Sessions or someone else in the administration.
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[BWK]

I still think the motive for going after Flynn was to give the Russia collision legitimacy. They knew the dossier was to over the top with pee pee tapes and other accusations that could easily be disproved. They wouldn't be able to take out TRUMP by going after Papadopolus, or Page and Manaford was only with the campaign for a month. If they didn't get Flynn they would have moved on probably to Sessions or someone else in the administration.
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And yet, those people all committed crimes. Would you prefer we looked the other way, and just dismissed any wrong doing? Is the Republican party now to be taken as the party of criminal activity, and that it's okay to do whatever? The Right was desperate to lock up Hillary for things that were a hundred times less criminal. So which is it? Hypocrites, or do you all stand for what's right?

 

[Levant]

Not to mention that the release of illegally hacked material thru Wikileaks, which cost Putin next to nothing, had the most impact on the mind's of voters.

Just one question... Did Trump hack the Democrats? The Democrats shipped their servers off to a foreign nation to prevent any investigation into the hacking so we'll never know exactly who it was... Oh, and where did they ship them? Chekoslavakia.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the Russians tried to influence the election. My objection to what you say is that even when you're right you lie. You couldn't post a truthful post if your life depended on it. Even when posting that the Russians interfered you have to lie about how much. Even though it was the Obama administration and Clapper, et al, who failed to take any action, you continue to blame Trump for the Russian interference. All the Russian interference was on the other side and includes Obama, Hillary, Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein - sad thing is that two of those traitorous never-Trumpers were actually, at the time registered to vote as Republicans.

 

[Levant]

1. It is always dangerous to point out that the idol, the worshiped one, the one they called god, Jesus and the messiah, had 'feet of clay.'
And, a head to match.

But....even worse, that he is an evil, malevolent, iniquitous individual deserving of contumely and jail time.
And....he is.



2. Now that the facts about the Flynn perjury trap are no longer deniable, let's get to the head of the problem.

"Uh Oh: New Texts Suggest Obama WH, CIA, FBI, And Harry Reid Colluded At Outset Of Russia Probe
There are new texts allegedly showing that the Obama White House, the CIA, the FBI, and top Democrats colluded at the outset of the Russia probe.

...coordination between former President Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, and CIA Director John Brennan —which they say would “contradict” the Obama administration’s public stance about its hand in the process."
Uh Oh: New Texts Suggest Obama WH, CIA, FBI, And Harry Reid Colluded At Outset Of Russia Probe

and

"Clapper: Obama Ordered The Intelligence Assessment That Resulted In Mueller Investigation"
Clapper: Obama Ordered The Intelligence Assessment That Resulted In Mueller Investigation



3. When Hussein had his meeting with Trump, he warned him of two things.

One was North Korea.
The other was of Flynn

"Obama Warned Trump Against Hiring Flynn
In 2014, Mr. Obama, a Democrat, fired the then-lieutenant general from that senior Pentagon post. "

Obama Warned Trump Against Hiring Flynn

Former President Barack Obama warned then President-elect Donald Trump against hiring Mike Flynn as his national security adviser because of Mr. Flynn’s checkered service as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

www.wsj.com

4. Why the enmity?
One simple reason.....Flynn opposed Hussein Obama's signature foreign policy aim: to nuclear arm his co-religionists in the 7th century barbarian kingdom. Flynn saw through the absurd plan to arm the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism, and advance a deal that never had any inspections of the murderous blood-drenched savages.

"Obama Allies Torpedoed Flynn to Protect Iran Deal
...moving behind the scenes to kneecap someone they've long viewed as a threat to the future of their signature accord.
... include former Obama administration adviser Ben Rhodes—the architect of a separate White House effort to create what he described as a pro-Iran echo chamber—included a small task force of Obama loyalists who deluged media outlets with stories aimed at eroding Flynn's credibility, multiple sources revealed."

Report: Obama Allies Torpedoed Flynn to Protect Iran Deal

Subterfuge.

townhall.com

5. "Why would he be of anywhere near that importance to be put in the same conversation as the nuclear-armed dictator of North Korea?

The answer, I believe, is a four letter word: Iran.

The Iran Deal (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or JCPOA) was, with the Affordable Care Act, one of the twin pillars of Obama’s presidency on which he wanted to base his legacy."

Why was Mike Flynn targeted by Obama and FBI?

Roger Simon: The more we learn about the evils done to Michael Flynn, and they increase day by day, the more the FBI comes to resemble the...

prairiepundit.blogspot.com

Arming the homicidal and pathological Iranian regime is a threat to America, and to Western Civilization.
And Flynn was simply collateral damage.

This post show the drangement as you go down...

Starts out using the WSJ and ended up with the prairiepundit...


The main thing is, Trumpster accuse Obama of doing something with no real evidence for what Trump does out in the open...

Lets look at it Flynn pleaded Guilty, the Judge (even after FBI said no sentence) said that Flynn's crimes were so bad he needed to serve time.

Now all those sides had access to documnets which have been heavilly redacted.
Can you tell me what was redacted and thus makes you an expert on this case?

Barr has shown that he doesn't consider the the AG or DOJ apolitical offices...

So you are trying to accuse Obama of doing which Trump is doing in the open.

Charges against Fynn were dropped because they were bullshit. His lawyers forced him in to a piss poor plea agreement.

The lawyers representing him then (were they really representing Flynn or did they have other interests?), withheld exculpatory evidence that they held as well, and refused to turn it over to his new lawyers. They argued in court that it was just too much trouble to turn over the remaining couple percent of documents since they'd already turned over something like 96%. Of course they just conveniently held onto the most important. They need to lose their law licenses as well.

 

[Levant]

Not to mention that the release of illegally hacked material thru Wikileaks, which cost Putin next to nothing, had the most impact on the mind's of voters.

Just one question... Did Trump hack the Democrats? The Democrats shipped their servers off to a foreign nation to prevent any investigation into the hacking so we'll never know exactly who it was... Oh, and where did they ship them? Chekoslavakia.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the Russians tried to influence the election. My objection to what you say is that even when you're right you lie. You couldn't post a truthful post if your life depended on it. Even when posting that the Russians interfered you have to lie about how much. Even though it was the Obama administration and Clapper, et al, who failed to take any action, you continue to blame Trump for the Russian interference. All the Russian interference was on the other side and includes Obama, Hillary, Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein - sad thing is that two of those traitorous never-Trumpers were actually, at the time registered to vote as Republicans.

Whoops; I meant Ukraine.

 

[Levant]

My understanding is that Steele, who is an ex-spy, used his old contacts in Moscow to get the information. They were intelligence contacts willing to talk to a foreign agent (Steele). You think they cleared that with Putin? lol

That is why Steele put up the clear disclaimer when the dossier went to the FBI that IT HAD NOT BEEN CORROBORATED.

Sure the Democrats would find those rumors useful, you would think, but they never released it, did they? Was any of the dossier used during the campaign? NO.

Being a right-wing misogynist, I tend to try to be polite to women - you know, I smile when I talk to them; you can hear more tenderness in my voice, I open doors for them, etc. I also try to not call them names. And I almost broke that in this response but I'll stand my ground that women deserve more gentle treatment than men. So, I'll just say that you're mistaken.

I hope you'll read the links I post and that you'll learn to understand just how evil Hillary and Obama were and that the dossier was a made up lie, used to try to destroy Trump, and used, according to nearly every senior person of the FBI, as the basis for furthering the investigations. More than one senior FBI official stated under oath that without the dossier there would have been no FISA warrants.

Comey used the article in his meeting with Trump and stated that he thought (threatened?) that the press would start asking questions about it. In September, Yahoo published the story about the dossier. Just in case you're unsure, that's before the election.

Now you'll argue that Hillary and the Democrats had nothing to do with it; it was all Yahoo that leaked it, ignoring that it was Steele who gave it to the press... But who managed the Democratic budget and funds during the campaign in 2016? According to the Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, Donna Brazil, Hillary's campaign had taken over the finances of the DNC. During or before June 2016, the Democratic National Committee paid Fusion GPS over a million dollars - I've seen stories of up to 6 or maybe 12 million - to investigate Trump.

 

[Levant]

First collusion, collusion, collusion failed

Liar.

As a shorthand, we may use the term “collusion” to refer to these kinds of activities, which would be implicated in a counterintelligence analysis—though, as Asha Rangappa and I have written, the more analytically precise issues to consider are whether Trump Campaign associates “coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support” to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.

In other words, in typical leftist lying fashion, you got your ass kicked on the collusion argument here and now you're changing it to coordinated, cooperated, encouraged, or gave support.

Show where Trump coordinated or cooperated,encouraged, or gave support.

What he said was that he would take Hillary's emails even if they came from the Russians. Of course he didn't encourage them to interfere in the election; he encouraged them to provide missing, destroyed, tampered-with, evidence from Hillary's time as Secretary of State, not of her campaign.

The hypocrisy of the left is that they keep investigating Trump, starting during his campaign, and continuing to now based on political arguments - and that would be OK if there was real evidence or even if they would just stop when their suspicions proved to be wrong. On the other side, No one can investigate Hillary or call for her investigation. No one can investigate Biden or call for his investigation. They were/are political Democratic political candidates and must never be investigated.

Where there is reasonable suspicion, regardless of who it is, investigate. When reasonable suspicion turns into probable clause, get warrants and search or spy. But when either one of those turns up nothing criminal or even exculpatory information, stop the DAMNED investigation!

Oh, and don't lie on FISA warrant applications and don't unmask American citizens and don't farm government spying out to foreign nations to get around US law.

 

[Levant]

My understanding is that Steele, who is an ex-spy, used his old contacts in Moscow to get the information. They were intelligence contacts willing to talk to a foreign agent (Steele). You think they cleared that with Putin? lol

That is why Steele put up the clear disclaimer when the dossier went to the FBI that IT HAD NOT BEEN CORROBORATED.

Sure the Democrats would find those rumors useful, you would think, but they never released it, did they? Was any of the dossier used during the campaign? NO.

Thank you so much for succinctly helping me to explain why the bullshit about Steele being slung around is so fundamentally misguided.

That's funny. She was as wrong as you are - and I proved it.

 

[Levant]

You're confusing two separate issues.

How so?

There was no such interference, so there was nothing to uncover, you dolt.

Of course there was interference. A foreign government incognito influencing our voters on social media and hacking into the DNC and then releasing it to the world is unacceptable.

With all due respect, Old Lady...Russia interfering in our elections isn't something new. They've attempted to do so for decades now. What's amusing however is that the very same Obama who assured us that we nothing to worry about when it came to Russian interference BEFORE the election when the experts were predicting a Clinton landslide...suddenly becomes deeply concerned about it when Trump upsets Clinton! Let's be honest here for once! Russian "interference" is simply the excuse that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party used to explain why the American people wouldn't vote for their candidate!

I don't agree with you on that.

The fact that they've attempted interference before doesn't mean they should have, and once they hacked the DNC and sold it to Wikileaks, they were caught red handed. That was illegal. And an organized, official effort of "posers?" That's okay with you? It's not with me.

The Mueller investigation was not the Democrats' attempt to "blame" the Russians for Trump's win. It was to figure out the extent of what happened and if any American citizens were involved. The report did that.

That's another lie. Now we have the proof that Rosenstein already knew the Steele dossier was discredited and that Carter Page had not met with Russians when he directed Mueller to investigate it. The premise of the Mueller investigation was all lies and now we have the proof to back it up. The premise was lies but the purpose was one thing: find something that can be used to impeach Trump.. And after all that time, money, and hard-care Never-Trump, Loving-Hillary, labor, they couldn't find a single thing with which to charge Trump. Long live Saint Donald.

 

[Levant]

So Obama chased out Flynn because he opposed the Iran deal. That makes Obama a criminal. Yet it was perfectly alright for Trump to fire how many people, like Sessions, Tillerson, et al. for not going along with Trump's agenda.

Maybe that is what Presidents do? Seems to be.

And as far as the Russia probe, are you seriously criticizing Obama and the Intelligence Agencies and the FBI from looking into the widespread Russian interference in the election they had uncovered? Would you have ignored it? Both the articles you supplied were from 2018 AFTER the infamous Trump Tower meeting with that Russian lawyer. Do you see no possible tie to the Trump campaign when the emails SAID the Russian government was assisting the Trump campaign?

"So Obama chased out Flynn because he opposed the Iran deal. That makes Obama a criminal. Yet it was perfectly alright for Trump to fire how many people, like Sessions, Tillerson, et al. for not going along with Trump's agenda."

You're confusing two separate issues.

But....confusion seems to be your mode and madness.

I never said Obama couldn't fire any who didn't fit in his vision, did I.



"And as far as the Russia probe, are you seriously criticizing Obama and the Intelligence Agencies and the FBI from looking into the widespread Russian interference in the election they had uncovered? "

There was no such interference, so there was nothing to uncover, you dolt.



Now....for any others who suffer from the same short-term memory loss that clearly interferes with any learning on your part:
Trump and Clinton spent $81M on US election Facebook ads, Russian agency $46K
Facebook had previously announced that $100,000 was spent on Facebook ads from June 2015 to May 2017 by Russian-linked disinformation sources, while an additional $50,000 was spent by Russians that signals indicate weren’t or were only weakly connected to an organized disinformation campaign.

Trump and Clinton spent $81M on US election Facebook ads, Russian agency $46K | TechCrunch

Russian information troll farm the Internert Research Agency spent just 0.05 percent as much on Facebook ads as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump's campaigns combined in the run-up to the 2016 U.S. presidential election. While there might have been other Russian disinformation groups, the IRA...

techcrunch.com

There were 100 thousand Facebook adds by Russian sources……out of billions of ads….

What's the percentage?



"We know, for example, that some institution linked to the Russian government — likely the infamous Internet Research Agency — bought ads on Facebook between 2015 and 2017, with the assumed intent of stoking anger and partisanship. We know that the ads concerned wedge issues like immigration, the Second Amendment, and police brutality; we even know what some of the Russian pages and accounts were. And we know that around 3,000 ads were purchased at a cost of around $100,000.

… the $100,000 spent by the Russian government is laughably small, no matter how precisely targeted. In contrast, the official Trump campaign spent $90 million on digital ads — and, unlike the Russians, had assistance from Facebook employees to target and deploy them effectively. “There’s no way $100,000 in ad budget impacted the election. It’s ridiculous,” García Martínez said."

Did Russia’s Facebook Ads Actually Swing the Election?

If you’re most worried about ads, you’re missing the bigger picture.

nymag.com

Buying ads is one thing. Having posters posing on FaceBook and no doubt here as well arguing in ways to either divide us OR champion Trump cost how much? That's not added into the equation, yet they had an entire building full of people dedicated to it. That had a lot more impact. How many people pay attention to ads? Some maybe, but the constant claims made by Russian posers to poison social media? THAT is what had real influence.

So it happened. The next logical step is figuring out if the candidate being favored --or anyone else-- was "in on it." That is what the Mueller report did. It made perfect sense to look at his campaign. He was not found guilty of anything. A few of his campaign people were caught in shady deals, but not in relation to the Russian influence. So it has been over and done with for quite some time.

I still don't see why you are bringing it up again.

This is the only actual evidence of the Kremlin's plans and desires:


Russia is a dictatorship.
Nothing emanates from Moscow without Putin's imprimatur....
The 'information' in the infamous 'dossier' came from Russia.

Now.....if Putin wanted Trump to win.......would there have ever.......ever.....been a dossier?????


QED......the candidate of Vladimir Putin was Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

My understanding is that Steele, who is an ex-spy, used his old contacts in Moscow to get the information. They were intelligence contacts willing to talk to a foreign agent (Steele). You think they cleared that with Putin? lol

That is why Steele put up the clear disclaimer when the dossier went to the FBI that IT HAD NOT BEEN CORROBORATED.

Sure the Democrats would find those rumors useful, you would think, but they never released it, did they? Was any of the dossier used during the campaign? NO.

I don't mind educating you......if only it would stick.
That seems to be one of your problems.


Steele is a life-long Communist.

He was used by the Kremlin to bring the dossier to the Clintonites, for use against Trump.

1. [Supposed author of the dossier,] Steele was a “confirmed socialist” in college at Oxford when he was hired by MI6, another point of suspicion for someone who would be dispatched to Moscow as a spy and later serve as head of the Russian desk at MI6, all extremely sensitive positions." The Final Truth about the “Trump Dossier”



2.. Christopher Steele, Hillary's employee, got the 'dossier' via
Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch linked to Vladimir Putin, according to a new report.
CHRISTOPHER STEELE REPORTEDLY WORKED FOR SANCTIONED RUSSIAN OLIGARCH
Christopher Steele Reportedly Worked For Sanctioned Russian Oligarch


3. Russia is a dictatorship.
Nothing emanates from Moscow without Putin's imprimatur....
The 'information' in the infamous 'dossier' came from Russia.

Now.....if Putin wanted Trump to win.......would there have ever.......ever.....been a dossier?????

QED......the candidate of Vladimir Putin was Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.



4. If any collusion occurred, it was through Democrats, the only folks for whom we have actual evidence of collusion.



5. Here's the quote that should not be overlooked:
Christopher Steele told [the DoJ] he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”


. Here is the question that has never been asked:
Steele is not even an American citizen…..what is behind this hatred of Trump, and his passion to end his chances of becoming President?

To understand Steele’s hatred of Trump, and, alternatively, his love of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, one need understand who this man is, and his worldview......and it is all about Russia- the country, their aim for world domination, who they bribed (Clinton) and why Trump is an obstacle to this.



Get it?????

I hadn't seen the socialist stuff on Steele before; thanks. But I had read his statement that he was desperate for Trump not to be President. Steele definitely interfered in the US election and had more impact than Putin even tried to have. I want to see a warrant for Steele's arrest.

 

[Levant]

You're confusing two separate issues.

How so?

There was no such interference, so there was nothing to uncover, you dolt.

Of course there was interference. A foreign government incognito influencing our voters on social media and hacking into the DNC and then releasing it to the world is unacceptable.

With all due respect, Old Lady...Russia interfering in our elections isn't something new. They've attempted to do so for decades now. What's amusing however is that the very same Obama who assured us that we nothing to worry about when it came to Russian interference BEFORE the election when the experts were predicting a Clinton landslide...suddenly becomes deeply concerned about it when Trump upsets Clinton! Let's be honest here for once! Russian "interference" is simply the excuse that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party used to explain why the American people wouldn't vote for their candidate!

I don't agree with you on that.

The fact that they've attempted interference before doesn't mean they should have, and once they hacked the DNC and sold it to Wikileaks, they were caught red handed. That was illegal. And an organized, official effort of "posers?" That's okay with you? It's not with me.

The Mueller investigation was not the Democrats' attempt to "blame" the Russians for Trump's win. It was to figure out the extent of what happened and if any American citizens were involved. The report did that.

They hacked the DNC because Podesta's brother had business dealings in Russia and Hillary, Huma, and Wasserman-Schultz had not followed security measures.

Russia
did not
hack
the
DNC server.

That's a lie.

Declassified transcripts: CrowdStrike couldn't say for sure Russians stole DNC emails

CrowdStrike's Shawn Henry was interviewed by House Intelligence Committee members in December 2017

justthenews.com

Now for the technical proof that the Left lied.

“…decisive findings, made public in the paper dated July 9, concerned the volume of the supposedly hacked material and what is called the transfer rate—the time a remote hack would require. The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed. Compounding this contradiction, Guccifer claimed to have run his hack from Romania, which, for numerous reasons technically called delivery overheads, would slow down the speed of a hack even further from maximum achievable speeds.

…a survey published August 3, 2016, by www.speedtest.net/reports is highly reliable and use it as their thumbnail index. It indicated that the highest average ISP speeds of first-half 2016 were achieved by Xfinity and Cox Communications. These speeds averaged 15.6 megabytes per second and 14.7 megabytes per second, respectively. Peak speeds at higher rates were recorded intermittently but still did not reach the required 22.7 megabytes per second.

“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, ….what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.” A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack



No hack possible!!!!!

I hate to be the spoiler but that's incorrect. Gigabit fiber to the home has been around for years. But most home Internet users would not understand that there are business connections to the Internet, through major ISPs that are 50 to 60 gigabit. Then there are backbone providers and those who have access to those and that can be in the hundreds of gigabit per minute.

I copy files from 3 to 7 gigabit size on my home network, 1GB Ethernet, literally in under 10 seconds - and Ethernet is not that efficient. Those download speeds are trivial, and were in 2016 as well.

Edit to add link to story about Google Gigabit Fiber to the Home in 2012 - not even counting what business services might be available.

 

[Levant]

Stzrok will be watching Trump's inauguration speech from prison next year.

That delusional, right wing wet dream

Since when is justice a 'right wing' idea ?

Well, it is certainly not a left-wing idea.

 

[Levant]

You're confusing two separate issues.

How so?

There was no such interference, so there was nothing to uncover, you dolt.

Of course there was interference. A foreign government incognito influencing our voters on social media and hacking into the DNC and then releasing it to the world is unacceptable.

With all due respect, Old Lady...Russia interfering in our elections isn't something new. They've attempted to do so for decades now. What's amusing however is that the very same Obama who assured us that we nothing to worry about when it came to Russian interference BEFORE the election when the experts were predicting a Clinton landslide...suddenly becomes deeply concerned about it when Trump upsets Clinton! Let's be honest here for once! Russian "interference" is simply the excuse that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party used to explain why the American people wouldn't vote for their candidate!

I don't agree with you on that.

The fact that they've attempted interference before doesn't mean they should have, and once they hacked the DNC and sold it to Wikileaks, they were caught red handed. That was illegal. And an organized, official effort of "posers?" That's okay with you? It's not with me.

The Mueller investigation was not the Democrats' attempt to "blame" the Russians for Trump's win. It was to figure out the extent of what happened and if any American citizens were involved. The report did that.

How have you determined that it was Russia that hacked the DNC and sold it to Wikileaks, Old Lady? What do you base that on? The DNC refused to allow it's computers to be examined to make that determination which I find highly suspicious since one of the other explanations for how Wikileaks got the DNC emails is that they were leaked by a DNC insider unhappy with how Bernie Sanders had been treated by the Clinton minions in the DNC! I find it very plausible that people inside of the DNC were the ones who "hacked" the DNC computers. It's what the founder of Wikileaks himself has claimed all along.

I'm just going to refer you to the Intelligence Agencies that know stuff and investigated that hack. Who are you to question it? Were you one of the investigators? No, you are a partisan who wants to blame it on the opposing party instead. The founder of Wikileaks has the ethics of a sewer rat. It could have been a 400 pound guy sitting on his bed in his mom's basement too. You cannnot just fill in the blanks with whatever convenient guess fits your agenda and then call it "truth."

With almost 100% certainty , The DNC and Hillary were both hacked by probably many, perhaps every, government in the western world as well as most others. That neither proves nor disproves how Assange got the emails but we know that in every other case Assange has never been found to be lying about sources and he said it was not any government agency. Who cares. The DNC got hacked. They're idiots and Wasserman brought in people to hack them. Hillary was hacked. No one would give a damn had she been hacked and all that was on the server was recipes and pictures of her granddaughter and Weiner's weiner. It becomes relevant that she was hacked because she was storing the nation's secrets on her servers and when she was hacked she exposed those secrets to our enemies.

 

[Levant]

It's fun watching you make a total fool of yourself, Chuck Todd.

I'm prepared to admit my mistake as soon as you prove I made one. But we both know you can't.

"It wasn’t 17. ... I agree, I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and/or countries, and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure."

It’s valid for Trump to criticize news organizations for not being specific enough in their reports (more on that in a bit). But this does not invalidate the report by the CIA, FBI, NSA and Director of National Intelligence, nor their "high confidence" in their judgment that Russia engaged in an influence campaign directed at the election."

PolitiFact - 17 intelligence organizations or 4? Either way, Russia conclusion still valid

President Donald Trump, speaking in Poland July 6, downplayed the strength of the intelligence community’s conclus

www.politifact.com

Once again from you we get, "So I lied and you caught me? Here's another story; prove that one's a lie... Oh.. Ok then prove this one... Fine.. you caught me again but prove this one's a lie."

 

[Levant]

1. It is always dangerous to point out that the idol, the worshiped one, the one they called god, Jesus and the messiah, had 'feet of clay.'
And, a head to match.

But....even worse, that he is an evil, malevolent, iniquitous individual deserving of contumely and jail time.
And....he is.



2. Now that the facts about the Flynn perjury trap are no longer deniable, let's get to the head of the problem.

"Uh Oh: New Texts Suggest Obama WH, CIA, FBI, And Harry Reid Colluded At Outset Of Russia Probe
There are new texts allegedly showing that the Obama White House, the CIA, the FBI, and top Democrats colluded at the outset of the Russia probe.

...coordination between former President Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, and CIA Director John Brennan —which they say would “contradict” the Obama administration’s public stance about its hand in the process."
Uh Oh: New Texts Suggest Obama WH, CIA, FBI, And Harry Reid Colluded At Outset Of Russia Probe

and

"Clapper: Obama Ordered The Intelligence Assessment That Resulted In Mueller Investigation"
Clapper: Obama Ordered The Intelligence Assessment That Resulted In Mueller Investigation



3. When Hussein had his meeting with Trump, he warned him of two things.

One was North Korea.
The other was of Flynn

"Obama Warned Trump Against Hiring Flynn
In 2014, Mr. Obama, a Democrat, fired the then-lieutenant general from that senior Pentagon post. "

Obama Warned Trump Against Hiring Flynn

Former President Barack Obama warned then President-elect Donald Trump against hiring Mike Flynn as his national security adviser because of Mr. Flynn’s checkered service as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

www.wsj.com

4. Why the enmity?
One simple reason.....Flynn opposed Hussein Obama's signature foreign policy aim: to nuclear arm his co-religionists in the 7th century barbarian kingdom. Flynn saw through the absurd plan to arm the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism, and advance a deal that never had any inspections of the murderous blood-drenched savages.

"Obama Allies Torpedoed Flynn to Protect Iran Deal
...moving behind the scenes to kneecap someone they've long viewed as a threat to the future of their signature accord.
... include former Obama administration adviser Ben Rhodes—the architect of a separate White House effort to create what he described as a pro-Iran echo chamber—included a small task force of Obama loyalists who deluged media outlets with stories aimed at eroding Flynn's credibility, multiple sources revealed."

Report: Obama Allies Torpedoed Flynn to Protect Iran Deal

Subterfuge.

townhall.com

5. "Why would he be of anywhere near that importance to be put in the same conversation as the nuclear-armed dictator of North Korea?

The answer, I believe, is a four letter word: Iran.

The Iran Deal (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or JCPOA) was, with the Affordable Care Act, one of the twin pillars of Obama’s presidency on which he wanted to base his legacy."

Why was Mike Flynn targeted by Obama and FBI?

Roger Simon: The more we learn about the evils done to Michael Flynn, and they increase day by day, the more the FBI comes to resemble the...

prairiepundit.blogspot.com

Arming the homicidal and pathological Iranian regime is a threat to America, and to Western Civilization.
And Flynn was simply collateral damage.

There is zero evidence of any perjury trap. That is a lie.

There is also zero evidence Obama was arming anyone with nuclear weapons. That's another lie.

Flynn lost credibility on his own by lying about his contacts with Russia, while discussing foreign policy behind the back of a sitting president. So no, that is a lie as well. No one took Flynn's credibility from Flynn, but himself.

"New texts suggest Obama colluded with agencies at the outset of the Russia probe?" What texts? Show us what they say, or that too is nothing but a lie.

"There is also zero evidence Obama was arming anyone with nuclear weapons. That's another lie. "


Let's check.....just to prove what a moron you are:

contrary to all of his promises not to do so, and in contravention of the non-proliferation agreement that is our policy, Hussein Obama guaranteed nuclear weapons to Iran....and you can't see a problem with that.



Gads, you're an imbecile


1. NPR wrote that they were restricted for 10 years:

"Perhaps the biggest unknown is what happens to that breakout time once some of the terms of this deal start to expire 10 and 15 years from now.

In an interview with NPR after the framework of this agreement was reached, President Obama conceded that "at that point the breakout times would have shrunk almost down to zero."

But this deal, Obama argued at the time, buys the United States at least a decade."
6 Things You Should Know About The Iran Nuclear Deal


And that was written three years ago.


2. There was never....NEVER....any reason to allow the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism to have nuclear weapons.

I was trying to avoid going down a nuclear threat and Iran deal threadjack but as long as there's a bit of one, I'll jump in, too. In addition to the things you're posting (you're doing fantastic!) don't forget that part of Obama's deal was that the United States will defend Iran's nuclear labs with our own military if needed.

 

[Levant]

There is zero evidence of any perjury trap.

The whole concept of a perjury trap is a deceitful canard designed to excuse Trump's refusal to answer Mueller's questions in person.

Trump wouldn't fall into Mueller's perjury trap so that proves that Flynn wasn't the victim of a perjury trap. Got it.

Even the 10 second Google shows the term in common use as early as 1981 but it probably goes far, far, back from there; it's just not necessary for me to look further because you've already been proven to be a liar, once again.

 

[Thunk]

but they never released it, did they? Was any of the dossier used during the campaign? NO.

It was reported by buzzfeed and CNN. It was used (and sworn to a judge that it was legit) to obrain 4 FISA warrents to illegally spy on the Trump campaign...AND the transition team...and it was the foundation for the entire "russia collusion" coup attempt!

Atleast you are FINALLY admitting that the dossier is bullshit! That's a STEP in the right direction.

Negative! Zero evidence of that, and you cannot provide any evidence of that.

Is this a joke?

Every word I wrote is WELL documented and has been for 1-3 years.

Now should we argue that the grass isn't really green?

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, he had no right whatsoever. Flynn had no official government role at the time, while telling Russia what they needed to do in regards to the sanctions. Then he lied that the conversation ever took place. We had sanctions against Russia, and Flynn was cutting deals with an adversary that invaded Ukraine, and he did all this behind the back of a sitting president. Put him in jail for going against our country.

Wrong ChiCom. The incoming administration ALWAYS starts laying groundwork - Obama sure did.. Corrupt Obama (the fucking traitor) had Steven Hadley over in Iran negotiating our surrender weeks after the election.

Hadley: Iran is biggest Middle East threat

Outgoing White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley warned that Iran will be the biggest Middle East challenge for the Obama administration.

thehill.com

You're just a fraud, a troll spew shit for Beijing.

Obama rigged the election - when that failed, he hatched a plot to stage a coup. He had thug Sally Yeats target Flynn, as we now know. It was treason.

 

[Levant]

Interesting article, referred to in the 10 second Google search, The Perjury Trap, Pace University, by Bennett L. Gershman - 1981.

 

[Uncensored2008]

criminal investigation of who ordered this needs to be launched by the DOJ....

What crime is being investigated?

CONSPIRACY!!!

Conspiracy to do what?

To frame a sitting president in a crime...ummmm sounds illegal to me....

Totally delusional. No one tried to frame anyone.

We have the documents that prove the FBI tried to frame Flynn...aren't you paying attention?...what news agency are you watching?...

Flynn wasn’t framed. I’m paying attention. Are you?

Yes he was....The prosecution deliberately failed to adhere to disclosure rules and laws, including all the exculpitory evidence they had on hand......That is the very definition of a frame-up.

Nope. “Framing” someone means making it look like the defendant did something he didn’t actually do. There was no framing here. Flynn lied. We all know he did.

The prosecution has not failed to follow the disclosure rules. No exculpatory evidence has been revealed.

Fucking commie moron.

Strzok, Comey and Weissman lied REPEATEDLY to Ltg. Flynn. They BRAG about lying to entrap Flynn (per orders from Obama). Flynn "lied" about a materially insignificant issue (time/date) that even traitor Comey acknowledged was a lapse of memory.

YOU FUCKING TRAITORS rigged the 2016 election, and when that failed, you moved on to this attempted coup.

The whole lot of you must be executed. (Except Mueller - he was not mentally competent during any of this.)

None of this of course is true, nor can it be proven. As a matter of fact, by way of evidence and documentation, everything you just said, is exactly the opposite.

ALL of it IS proven you ChiCom pile of shit - have you been asleep for the last week? It's all unraveled.