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Did you see the part that says the USA DOESN'T have a State religion?aha!
STATE religion!
according to conservatives STATES CAN have RELIGION!
so a state can proclaim it is "christian" and proceed to rule via their bible!
Likewise, can someone please post the news releases of state-sanctioned oppression against Christians in the wake of the prayer change in the NZ parliament?It's time for the fascistic authoritarian left to stop pretending the uttering the "J" word in public, as part of a government function or pro forma ceremony, is "forcing" people to become slaves to Christianity against their will.Is the U.S.A. cohesive? When did that happen? We have all kinds of religions here, plus those who do not choose to follow a faith.I think that you want to force your particular faith on others..
There are no religion police. No one is being forced to watch Jerry Fallwell broadcasts or say prayers before meals or bedtime while jack booted agents monitor your thoughts.
One single partisan politician in New Zealand took it upon himself to make an issue of this pro forma prayer before parliament in New Zealand. Can someone send me news releases from New Zealand documenting the horrors of enforced Christianity that fell heavy on the shoulders of the 52% of Kiwi citizens not self identifying as Christians.
And if New Zealand is pushing Jesus on it's citizenry how did these 52% of the population get away with not being Christians at all? Who is to blame for that?
This is as stupid as ACLU absolutists who sue to have tiny crosses on remote mountain side memorials torn down and removed to make sure we aren't all tainted by the implicit Christianity it represents.
Wrong.Cool story bro.Yup......it's started.
New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren
Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.
The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.
The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.
Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.
Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.
"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.
"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."
Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.
"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."
Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.
Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.
"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.
Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.
One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
What does this have to do with the mosque shootings?
The article is dated October 2018.
Do you find cults like the graham and the jeffress and focus on the family and family research council "cohesive"? They are just idiots.------------------------------------------ we were COHESIVE , we were Cohesive as Americans mostly speaking English and being Christian or Judeo Christian . And i'm speaking the 50s through the 80s , maybe early 90s . The more diverse the USA becomes the less cohesive it will be . its simply common sense Lysis .Is the U.S.A. cohesive? When did that happen? We have all kinds of religions here, plus those who do not choose to follow a faith.I think that you want to force your particular faith on others..reading through the posts , its this kinda zhit that happens when a country allow Diversity into its borders . It should be a warning to others , especially Americans who are purposely destroying the USA cohesiveness .
Go to the source Guardian article and have another look.Wrong.Cool story bro.Yup......it's started.
New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren
Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.
The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.
The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.
Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.
Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.
"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.
"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."
Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.
"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."
Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.
Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.
"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.
Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.
One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
What does this have to do with the mosque shootings?
The article is dated October 2018.
The article is dated 3-30-19
Derp is the only proper response to such a facetious absurd post.Likewise, can someone please post the news releases of state-sanctioned oppression against Christians in the wake of the prayer change in the NZ parliament?
- ------------------- i knew Billy Graham and he seemed fine but i saw him , probably in the late 50s through the 60s up through the 80s about . Sure , he was a Baptist Preacher i think , said what he believed and had big rallies throughout the USA and world wide i think and was on TV . Never really watched him though . Jeffress , i think he is a local Preacher , think he is Baptist and i Judge him to be local and out of Texas . I see him on TV every once and awhile , he is fine as far as i am concerned . I was never FORCED to do anything because of Graham or Jeffress and have never been punished for doing anything that Graham or Jeffress call SIN Lysis .Do you find cults like the graham and the jeffress and focus on the family and family research council "cohesive"? They are just idiots.------------------------------------------ we were COHESIVE , we were Cohesive as Americans mostly speaking English and being Christian or Judeo Christian . And i'm speaking the 50s through the 80s , maybe early 90s . The more diverse the USA becomes the less cohesive it will be . its simply common sense Lysis .Is the U.S.A. cohesive? When did that happen? We have all kinds of religions here, plus those who do not choose to follow a faith.I think that you want to force your particular faith on others..reading through the posts , its this kinda zhit that happens when a country allow Diversity into its borders . It should be a warning to others , especially Americans who are purposely destroying the USA cohesiveness .
You could have just answered "No, I can't".Derp is the only proper response to such a facetious absurd post.Likewise, can someone please post the news releases of state-sanctioned oppression against Christians in the wake of the prayer change in the NZ parliament?
Shorter isn't always better.You could have just answered "No, I can't".
It would have been shorter.
Stupidity and political correctness... one in the sameMany of the Commandments are admonishments to the Israelites and not considered "laws" at all as far as the Constitution is concerned.Most of the 10 commandments are actually UNconstitutional.
Instructing the Jews to not work on the Sabbath, to not make carved images for worship, not to take the Lord's name in vain, etc. are not matters for Supreme Court review or decisions anymore than taking your hat off indoors or covering your mouth when you cough.
Where do you come up with your bizarre ideas?
me: "most of the 10 commandments are unconstitutional"
you "Where do you come up with your bizarre ideas?"
the 10 commandments
- You shall have no other Gods but me. (unconstitutional)
- You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.(unconstitutional)
- You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.(UNconstitutional)
- You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.(unconstitutional)
- Respect your father and mother.(unconstitutional)
- You must not commit murder.
- You must not commit adultery.(tell THAT to trump)
- You must not steal.
- You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
- You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.(unconstitutional)
It would have been more meaningful though.Shorter isn't always better.You could have just answered "No, I can't".
It would have been shorter.
20 Commandments of Mohammad the founder of IslamIt's fortunate that the USA and the "Western world" are secular then, isn't it?---------------------------------------------------------- and thats Ancient history not practiced by any Christian in the USA or the Western world . Course , muslims do the VIOLENCE all the time in present times as they follow the RULES of 'mo' AnyN .Looks like you know absolutely nothing about Christianity,
like most Christians who profess but don't study.
Conservative self-proclaimed CHRISTIAN Roy Moore (ex-judge, ran for US State Senator in Alabama and BARELY lost to a democrat) thinks you are an idiot.
HE says that the BIBLE specifically proclaims homosexuality a SIN and he believes it should be a CRIME in the US!
Why don't you go argue with him.
tell HIM to stop using the OT
tell HIM he doesn't know much about the bible....
and after that tell TRUMP who ENDORSED Moore for senate.
It does mention it and condemn it, but it doesn't call for violent action.
The New Testament says that homosexuality is a “shameful lust” (Romans 1:26), a “shameful act,” an abandonment of “natural relations” (Romans 1:27), a “wrongdoing” (1 Corinthians 6:9), and “sexual immorality and perversion” (Jude 1:7). Homosexuality carries a “due penalty” (Romans 1:27), “is contrary to the sound doctrine” (1 Timothy 1:10), and is listed among the sins that bar people from the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9). Despite the attempts of some to downplay these verses, the Bible could not be clearer that homosexuality is a sin against God.
doesn't call for VIOLENT action?
"shall be put to death"
"by stoning"
"suffer not a witch to live"
That "oppression of Christians" thing has kept us all safer.
Shorter isn't always better.
- ------------------- i knew Billy Graham and he seemed fine but i saw him , probably in the late 50s through the 60s up through the 80s about . Sure , he was a Baptist Preacher i think , said what he believed and had big rallies throughout the USA and world wide i think and was on TV . Never really watched him though . Jeffress , i think he is a local Preacher , think he is Baptist and i Judge him to be local and out of Texas . I see him on TV every once and awhile , he is fine as far as i am concerned . I was never FORCED to do anything because of Graham or Jeffress and have never been punished for doing anything that Graham or Jeffress call SIN Lysis .Do you find cults like the graham and the jeffress and focus on the family and family research council "cohesive"? They are just idiots.------------------------------------------ we were COHESIVE , we were Cohesive as Americans mostly speaking English and being Christian or Judeo Christian . And i'm speaking the 50s through the 80s , maybe early 90s . The more diverse the USA becomes the less cohesive it will be . its simply common sense Lysis .Is the U.S.A. cohesive? When did that happen? We have all kinds of religions here, plus those who do not choose to follow a faith.I think that you want to force your particular faith on others..reading through the posts , its this kinda zhit that happens when a country allow Diversity into its borders . It should be a warning to others , especially Americans who are purposely destroying the USA cohesiveness .
Yup......it's started.
New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren
Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.
The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.
The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.
Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.
Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.
"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.
"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."
Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.
"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."
Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.
Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.
"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.
Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.
One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
----------------------------------------------------- FREE Country and all that plus Free Speech as Billy Graham can represent himself anyway that HE Likes in this Free Country if he can afford it . See Billy's Worldwide Rallies . --- List of Billy Graham's crusades - Wikipedia --- looks like Billy Graham was BLESSED as Billy could afford his numerous CRUSADES Lysis .- ------------------- i knew Billy Graham and he seemed fine but i saw him , probably in the late 50s through the 60s up through the 80s about . Sure , he was a Baptist Preacher i think , said what he believed and had big rallies throughout the USA and world wide i think and was on TV . Never really watched him though . Jeffress , i think he is a local Preacher , think he is Baptist and i Judge him to be local and out of Texas . I see him on TV every once and awhile , he is fine as far as i am concerned . I was never FORCED to do anything because of Graham or Jeffress and have never been punished for doing anything that Graham or Jeffress call SIN Lysis .Do you find cults like the graham and the jeffress and focus on the family and family research council "cohesive"? They are just idiots.------------------------------------------ we were COHESIVE , we were Cohesive as Americans mostly speaking English and being Christian or Judeo Christian . And i'm speaking the 50s through the 80s , maybe early 90s . The more diverse the USA becomes the less cohesive it will be . its simply common sense Lysis .Is the U.S.A. cohesive? When did that happen? We have all kinds of religions here, plus those who do not choose to follow a faith.I think that you want to force your particular faith on others..reading through the posts , its this kinda zhit that happens when a country allow Diversity into its borders . It should be a warning to others , especially Americans who are purposely destroying the USA cohesiveness .
My objection to these folks is that they run around representing themselves as the voice of Christianity in general. They only represent small groups. Yeah, they've got their followers, but that is all. Why should anyone else give a damn?
