Newsflash: This Just In

[SYTFE]

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Required watching for the gun nuts.

 

[westwall]

Yes, I do. Violent crime increased 44%. Then, when the police were able to put a bunch of them in prison for their crimes the violence decreased. Now it is rising again (as the criminals are released), and more to the point gun violence is now at a level higher than before the gun ban.

EHHHH!!!!! WRONG ANSWER CUPCAKE!

Introduce yourself to some facts. Violent crimes have not increased 44%.

It's not the case, however, as suggested by the misleading and long out-of-date online piece quoted in the Example block above (which was written way back in 2001) that the overall crime rate in Australia has shot up since the NFA was introduced. The rates of various types of violent crimes (sexual assault, kidnapping, homicides of all types) have scarcely changed at all, and while the robbery rate rose substantially in the 1998-2001 timeframe, it dropped below its pre-NFA level by 2004 and has continually declined since then:

And...

For Australia, the NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved. While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.

The NFA also seems to have reduced firearm homicide outside of mass shootings, as well as firearm suicide. In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4). In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33)

Additional evidence strongly suggests that the buyback causally reduced firearm deaths. First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates.

FALSE: The Real Figures from Down Under

Yes, your facts are indeed false.

"Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement, banning all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns and imposing a more restrictive licensing system on other firearms.... Between Oct. 1, 1996, and Sept. 30, 1997, the government purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 of the banned guns at a cost of $500 million.

To what end? While there has been much controversy over the result of the law and buyback, Peter Reuter and Jenny Mouzos, in a 2003 study published by the Brookings Institution, found homicides "continued a modest decline" since 1997. They concluded that the impact of the National Firearms Agreement was "relatively small," with the daily rate of firearms homicides declining 3.2%....

In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults."

How Has Heightened Gun Control Worked in Australia and Britain?

 

[skookerasbil]

June gun sales crush previous record
By Stephen Gutowski

Published July 04, 2016
Washington Free Beacon

June gun sales crush previous record | Fox News


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[skookerasbil]

I love the gun grabber threads!!!

More fun than a barrel of monkeys!!

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes, I do. Violent crime increased 44%. Then, when the police were able to put a bunch of them in prison for their crimes the violence decreased. Now it is rising again (as the criminals are released), and more to the point gun violence is now at a level higher than before the gun ban.

EHHHH!!!!! WRONG ANSWER CUPCAKE!

Introduce yourself to some facts. Violent crimes have not increased 44%.

It's not the case, however, as suggested by the misleading and long out-of-date online piece quoted in the Example block above (which was written way back in 2001) that the overall crime rate in Australia has shot up since the NFA was introduced. The rates of various types of violent crimes (sexual assault, kidnapping, homicides of all types) have scarcely changed at all, and while the robbery rate rose substantially in the 1998-2001 timeframe, it dropped below its pre-NFA level by 2004 and has continually declined since then:

And...

For Australia, the NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved. While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.

The NFA also seems to have reduced firearm homicide outside of mass shootings, as well as firearm suicide. In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4). In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33)

Additional evidence strongly suggests that the buyback causally reduced firearm deaths. First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates.

FALSE: The Real Figures from Down Under

First, "Firearms suicides" are a useless statistic, it's measuring how many law abiding citizens stopped using guns to kill themselves. The suicide rate did not drop, only the rate of suicides with guns.

Beyond that, you're specifying "Gun-related" deaths, and as I mentioned, those have remained the same or increased. What I showed you was general crime rate, among other things. As far as your first graph, you apparently didn't notice the rates sharply rising, then lowering years later, stabilizing, and then rising back up where your graph conveniently stops. The drop is consistent with the state of the Australian Economy, even though you'd probably like to pass it off as a super delayed effect of the 'gun ban'.

As you can see, the Unemployment rate is consistent with the increase and decrease of the VERY specific statistics that you posted.

Also, again, I linked more graphs with other important statistics, which you probably ignored. They include the statistics you posted, along with the other crime-related statistics. I know you didn't even bother to click the link, so please click it and educate yourself. Australian Gun Ban Facts & Statistics

 

[Brynmr]

Choke on it.

 

[SYTFE]

I love the gun grabber threads!!!

More fun than a barrel of monkeys!!

This isn't a "gun grabber" thread. It's a common sense thread. Let's review:

Less guns = less gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence.

 

[WillowTree]

The shooter in Dallas was not shot by cops, he was killed by his own bomb.

Stop saying that. He was blown up by the cops with a cop bomb strapped to a robot. It was a serious c-4 bomb too.

 

[SYTFE]

FALSE: The Real Figures from Down Under

Seriously?! Snopes are screaming Liberals. LOL

Uh, no they're not. They're Canadian independents. Of course anyone one notch to the left of you is a "screaming liberal" in your mind.

 

[SYTFE]

Violent Crime
Gun Crime
Australia: Ranked 41st.

Violent Crime
Gun Crime
USA: Ranked 1st. 6 times more than Australia.

Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

Gee, would you look at that? America is ranked FIRST in violent gun crime. FIRST. Do you know why?

Less guns = less gun violence

More guns = more gun violence.

Anyone catching on yet?

 

[aris2chat]

The shooter in Dallas was not shot by cops, he was killed by his own bomb.

Stop saying that. He was blown up by the cops with a cop bomb strapped to a robot. It was a serious c-4 bomb too.

it was his bomb the robot was trying to neutralize..........till it went boom killing him.

 

[aris2chat]

Yes, I do. Violent crime increased 44%. Then, when the police were able to put a bunch of them in prison for their crimes the violence decreased. Now it is rising again (as the criminals are released), and more to the point gun violence is now at a level higher than before the gun ban.

EHHHH!!!!! WRONG ANSWER CUPCAKE!

Introduce yourself to some facts. Violent crimes have not increased 44%.

It's not the case, however, as suggested by the misleading and long out-of-date online piece quoted in the Example block above (which was written way back in 2001) that the overall crime rate in Australia has shot up since the NFA was introduced. The rates of various types of violent crimes (sexual assault, kidnapping, homicides of all types) have scarcely changed at all, and while the robbery rate rose substantially in the 1998-2001 timeframe, it dropped below its pre-NFA level by 2004 and has continually declined since then:

And...

For Australia, the NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved. While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.

The NFA also seems to have reduced firearm homicide outside of mass shootings, as well as firearm suicide. In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4). In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33)

Additional evidence strongly suggests that the buyback causally reduced firearm deaths. First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates.

FALSE: The Real Figures from Down Under

Homicide Rates Jump in Many Major U.S. Cities, New Data Shows ...
www.nytimes.com/2016/.../us/murder-rates-cities-fbi....
The New York Times
May 13, 2016 - The heroin epidemic, a resurgence in gang violence and economic factors in some cities ... Document: U.S. Homicide Rates Rise in Early 2016.

 

[WillowTree]

The shooter in Dallas was not shot by cops, he was killed by his own bomb.

Stop saying that. He was blown up by the cops with a cop bomb strapped to a robot. It was a serious c-4 bomb too.

it was his bomb the robot was trying to neutralize..........till it went boom killing him.

No it was not. The Police Chief gave a press conference. He told everyone exactly how the guy died. The police blew him up with a c-4 bomb they sent in on a robot. The police chief specifically said that any reports that the shooter died at his own hands was false!

 

[WillowTree]

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Simple solution to stop violent crime in America, deport blacks. The quality of life will improve and America will become great again.

 

[boedicca]

Newsflash: Less SYFTE = Less mindnumbing stupidity

 

[SYTFE]

Simple solution to stop violent crime in America, deport blacks. The quality of life will improve and America will become great again.

^ RACIST SCUM ALERT!

 

[SYTFE]

Newsflash: Less SYFTE = Less mindnumbing stupidity

Silly boedicca. I still remember the temper tantrum you threw at DA. Good times. Ah, the good old days. You were such an easy punching bag over there. No wonder you had to run away to a predominately conservative forum....must've been exhausting for you! You poor, poor dear.

POP QUIZ:

Do you know why there were zero gun deaths prior to the invention of the gun?

Answer: Because less guns = less gun violence

more guns = more gun violence.

Pretty easy, isn't it "boe?"

 

[Vigilante]

More guns = MORE DEAD PERPETRATORS!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Less guns = less gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence.

Pretty simple folks. Squeegee your third fucking eye.