Newt on Trump

[JoeB131]

Sweet evil Jesus, this is going to be fun to unpack.

Oh really?

I've never seen him wear an SS uniform......and he's not a Godless socialist. Actually, Hillary is more a Nazi than Trump.

Um, guy, the Nazis believed in your Magic Sky Fairy. Hitler invoked God and Jesus at every opportunity, and the Churches of Germany enthusiastically supported him. AFTERWARDS, like children who got sick after eating too much candy, they all tried to walk it back.

Nope, your belief is that anyone who stands up for the laws in this country is a real live Nazi. It's just ridiculous to think that we shouldn't enforce the laws of this country equally.....and that is what you people believe in.

We don't enforce the laws equally now. That's why Rush Limbaugh gets rehab and some poor black girl who sold her body to buy crack gets prison. Get real.

That is the essence of corruption. Crony Capitalism. The use of threats and intimidation to pass fucked up laws like the Stimulus and Obamacare.

you mean ideas you Republicans were perfectly fine with until the Black Guy proposed them?

Discrimination against whites and Christians.

Only in America where a group represents 70% of the population and 99% of the wealth can you get people whine about being "discriminated" against. In fact, white Christian males are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in the halls of power in this country.

The belief that a thug that is killed by a cop is the victim, not the cop who is killed by a thug.

Um, yeah, when that 'thug' was unarmed, not an immediate threat to anyone and wasn't actually doing anything all that serious, he's really a victim. Especially when he's a 12 year old playing with a toy.

I'm not sure if anyone who says a cop who is killed in the line of duty isn't a victim. Except that guy who committed suicide and tries to blame a black guy for doing it.

 

[mudwhistle]

Sweet evil Jesus, this is going to be fun to unpack.

Oh really?

I've never seen him wear an SS uniform......and he's not a Godless socialist. Actually, Hillary is more a Nazi than Trump.

Um, guy, the Nazis believed in your Magic Sky Fairy. Hitler invoked God and Jesus at every opportunity, and the Churches of Germany enthusiastically supported him. AFTERWARDS, like children who got sick after eating too much candy, they all tried to walk it back.

Nope, your belief is that anyone who stands up for the laws in this country is a real live Nazi. It's just ridiculous to think that we shouldn't enforce the laws of this country equally.....and that is what you people believe in.

We don't enforce the laws equally now. That's why Rush Limbaugh gets rehab and some poor black girl who sold her body to buy crack gets prison. Get real.

That is the essence of corruption. Crony Capitalism. The use of threats and intimidation to pass fucked up laws like the Stimulus and Obamacare.

you mean ideas you Republicans were perfectly fine with until the Black Guy proposed them?

Discrimination against whites and Christians.

Only in America where a group represents 70% of the population and 99% of the wealth can you get people whine about being "discriminated" against. In fact, white Christian males are DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in the halls of power in this country.

The belief that a thug that is killed by a cop is the victim, not the cop who is killed by a thug.

Um, yeah, when that 'thug' was unarmed, not an immediate threat to anyone and wasn't actually doing anything all that serious, he's really a victim. Especially when he's a 12 year old playing with a toy.

I'm not sure if anyone who says a cop who is killed in the line of duty isn't a victim. Except that guy who committed suicide and tries to blame a black guy for doing it.

So that's how it went. Every cop that's murdered in America is just committing suicide and blaming it on the black guy. 5 bullets in the head at point blank range execution style is suicide to you?

And are you really do gullible? You think every German is a Nazi?

You never imagined the some of them were either scared or tricked into supporting Hitler?

And you seem to think if 70% of Americans are white Christians that if they make up over 70% of the leadership, that's disproportionate? What's disproportionate is the fact that over 90% of the NBA is black. Why don't we make sure that everyone is equally represented, including Hispanic transsexual midgets.

 

[Correll]

1. The laws are the democratically expressed will of the people. Nothing in your post refutes that. Anytime we try to have a discussion on the issue, your side shuts it down with cries of RACISM.

Uh, no, guy. Every time we try to have a discussion on the issue, you rednecks scream about how much you hate brown people. In fact, 65% of Americans favor a path to citizenship for undocumented workers.

So do a lot of sensible Republicans, like John McCain and George W. Bush.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

2. Democrats get the votes of the Hispanic Americans of the next generation. As you well know. Businesses benefit from Unlimited Third World labor whether they have documents or not. I want them deported so that neither of them get what they want.

Yes, later generations WILL remember that you are the ones who called his Grandpa Pedro a "rapist" and a "Murderer", even though he was a hard-wroking guy who just wanted to make a better life for his family just like your grandparents did when they came here from Europe.

3.Just because once upon a time a bad man lied about outsiders causing problems, does not mean that outsiders never cause problems.

So you are arguing I should wait to see if Trump is a NICE Nazi?

4. You are an asshole.

Probably. But you are a redneck. That's worse.

5. If you want to keep your mind closed, I cannot stop you.

History has cast it's verdict on Newt, who is just whoring himself out hoping that someone might pay attention to him again.

6. Again, I see that you are purposefully avoiding possibly contrary information. If you want to keep your mind closed I cannot stop you. In that case though, why are you in this thread where the topic IS such information? Just to be a troll?

I'm really not interested in "contrary information". There isn't a scenario I can imagine where the Trumpenfuhrer getting the nomination is a good thing. The GOP needs to save itself from Trump.

1. Every time we try to have a discussion on the issue, we "rednecks" try to honestly talk about the negative impact of illegal immigration.

YOur polls do not trump the Law. And those numbers are taken in the context of no honest debate on the issue for generations.

2. So as I said, not endorsing your spin, Dems support illegal immigration because they want votes. IF they get amnesty, they get them even sooner. There is nothing in that about being against Racism, as you earlier claimed. Their motive is pure self interest.

3. My meaning was clear. The fact that once upon a time a bad man lied about outsiders causing problems does not mean that outsiders never cause problems.

I'm not sure how to dumb that down any more for you. Maybe someone in your family can explain it to you?

4. Your bigotry against rural hardworking whites is noted.

5. If you want to keep your mind closed, I cannot stop you.

6. I asked you why you are in this thread, about a report from Newt about the man behind the Trump, if you are not interested in contrary information. Nothing in your post had was an answer to that.

 

[Correll]

Surely you've heard, not that "Trump implied that most illegal immigrants were bad people" but that "all mexicans were rapists?

That is the lie that most people were told and believe, especially Hispanics.

If you are parsing between the two, you have already lost.

When Trump said "and some, I assume, are good people," he implied that most weren't. It doesn't matter if he didn't say all Mexicans were racists. What he said was extremely offensive.

The message was clear. That's why his supporters cheered and most other people were aghast.

You said earlier that the Republican establishment thought that Trump supporters were hicks and bigots. Well, show me where the Republican establishment said this.

You won't find it.

Instead, you believe this because it filters through your media, who distort a message to advance a narrative.

So what's the difference?

I'm not parsing between the two.

I'm pointing out that ANY attempt to serious address Illegal Immigration will be lied about by the lib media.

Believing that illegal immigrants bring crime and should be deported is a completely reasonable position.

And instead Trump is declared to be racist.

You say the "message" was clear. I'm not sure what you mean. I thought that the message was that he considered Illegal immigration to a serious problem and that he would deport them.

What did you think the message was?

RE: The leadership thinking that Trump supporters are hicks and bigots.

Here is Mitt Romney, a man I voted for.

"Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud," Romney said. "His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."
Romney said that "dishonesty is Donald Trump's hallmark," pointing to his "bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third-grade theatrics."


The "message" on Trump's supporters is clear.

 

[candycorn]

Fig Newton belongs with Ted Cruz they both change faster than a chameleon changes its colors..

Soooo, any comment on the topic?

That Newt Gingrich is impressed impresses nobody.
That you contend that the Trump that we see is all an act is about as idiotic a stance as I have seen anyone take. Usually, you pretend to be a better person than you are in public (i.e. when people are watching) not worse.

You seem really impressed that he has his name on some buildings. Are you as equally impressed that Paris Hilton has her name on more than he does?

 

[Correll]

Fig Newton belongs with Ted Cruz they both change faster than a chameleon changes its colors..

Soooo, any comment on the topic?

That Newt Gingrich is impressed impresses nobody.
That you contend that the Trump that we see is all an act is about as idiotic a stance as I have seen anyone take. Usually, you pretend to be a better person than you are in public (i.e. when people are watching) not worse.

You seem really impressed that he has his name on some buildings. Are you as equally impressed that Paris Hilton has her name on more than he does?

I don't know where you got that bit about "name on buildings", I think you might have me confused with another poster.

If you can't look at a political enemy and see him as he really is, not how you want him to be, that is a failing on your part.

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate. It is certain that he could, if he wished, talk at a vocabulary level that would be beyond the vast majority of voters.

Instead he purposefully talks at a level that is comfortable and understandable to the vast majority of voters.

As almost all successful politicians try to do.

In this regard, the difference between Trump and most other candidates is merely one of degree.

 

[candycorn]

Fig Newton belongs with Ted Cruz they both change faster than a chameleon changes its colors..

Soooo, any comment on the topic?

That Newt Gingrich is impressed impresses nobody.
That you contend that the Trump that we see is all an act is about as idiotic a stance as I have seen anyone take. Usually, you pretend to be a better person than you are in public (i.e. when people are watching) not worse.

You seem really impressed that he has his name on some buildings. Are you as equally impressed that Paris Hilton has her name on more than he does?

I don't know where you got that bit about "name on buildings", I think you might have me confused with another poster.

There is nothing else remotely remarkable about the small fraction of a man you have made your messiah outside of his inherited wealth.

If you can't look at a political enemy and see him as he really is, not how you want him to be, that is a failing on your part.

Oh brother…. Seriously do you believe a quarter of the shit you shovel?

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate. It is certain that he could, if he wished, talk at a vocabulary level that would be beyond the vast majority of voters.

He is? I thought he went to the Wharton school? Anyway, GWB was an ivy league graduate too…..that sound you hear is your asinine argument getting blown out of the water.

Instead he purposefully talks at a level that is comforttable and understandable to the vast majority of voters.

He dumbs things down for people like you; correct.

As almost all successful politicians try to do.

Except he’s not a successful politician.

In this regard, the difference between Trump and most other candidates is merely one of degree.

Yeah they largely know what they want to accomplish; Trump has zero idea.

 

[Correll]

Fig Newton belongs with Ted Cruz they both change faster than a chameleon changes its colors..

Soooo, any comment on the topic?

That Newt Gingrich is impressed impresses nobody.
That you contend that the Trump that we see is all an act is about as idiotic a stance as I have seen anyone take. Usually, you pretend to be a better person than you are in public (i.e. when people are watching) not worse.

You seem really impressed that he has his name on some buildings. Are you as equally impressed that Paris Hilton has her name on more than he does?

I don't know where you got that bit about "name on buildings", I think you might have me confused with another poster.

There is nothing else remotely remarkable about the small fraction of a man you have made your messiah outside of his inherited wealth.

If you can't look at a political enemy and see him as he really is, not how you want him to be, that is a failing on your part.

Oh brother…. Seriously do you believe a quarter of the shit you shovel?

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate. It is certain that he could, if he wished, talk at a vocabulary level that would be beyond the vast majority of voters.

He is? I thought he went to the Wharton school? Anyway, GWB was an ivy league graduate too…..that sound you hear is your asinine argument getting blown out of the water.

Instead he purposefully talks at a level that is comforttable and understandable to the vast majority of voters.

He dumbs things down for people like you; correct.

As almost all successful politicians try to do.

Except he’s not a successful politician.

In this regard, the difference between Trump and most other candidates is merely one of degree.

Yeah they largely know what they want to accomplish; Trump has zero idea.

1. "Messiah"? Your words have nothing to do with me.

2. Non answer. My point stands. If you cannot be honest about someone because you disagree with them, it is a personal failing on your part.

3.a.

List of Ivy League business schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This list of Ivy League business schools outlines the six universities of the Ivy League that host a business school. The creation of business schools at Ivy League universities occurred over a period of nearly a century, beginning with the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, founded in 1881 byJoseph Wharton, which was the first collegiate (undergraduate) business school in the world"

3b Circular reasoning. YOu assume that Bush was stupid because you disagree with him on Ideology, and use that to support your assumption that another person you disagree with on Ideology is stupid.

4. Your answer is nothing but spin. My point stands. Nearly all politicians are careful to speak in a vocabulary that does NOT intimidate their potential voters.

5. Partisan filler.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Ivy League schools have every right as private institutions to set their admission requirements.

Correll assumes others are stupid because they disagree with his ideology.

 

[Correll]

The Ivy League schools have every right as private institutions to set their admission requirements.

Correll assumes others are stupid because they disagree with his ideology.

1. No one is arguing that they don't.

2. No, I don't. For example I don't think you are stupid because you disagree with my ideology.

I don't even think you are asshole because you disagree with my ideology.

My opinion on what type of person you are is based on your extreme rudeness and dishonesty.

 

[BluesLegend]

From Slate, no less.

Very good article, very much worth reading.


A Spirited Debate With Newt Gingrich on the Merits of Donald Trump

"
Isaac Chotiner: You were at a meeting on Monday with other Washington figures and Trump. What did you make of him?

Newt Gingrich: Well, Callista and I were both very impressed. In that kind of a setting he talks in a relatively low tone. He is very much somebody who has been good at business. And he listens well. He outlined the campaign as he saw it. I think he did a good job listening. He occasionally asked clarifying questions. He was very open to critical advice. I am not going to get into details, but I will say my overall impression was that in that setting he was totally under control as a guy who has done a ton of business and knows exactly how to operate in that kind of room."


Very much different than the caricature that the Main Stream Media and the Political Class would have you believe.

^^^ KABOOM!! I will add Newt like Trump and Cruz was not well liked by the Washington establishment because he called them out on their BS.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Ivy League schools have every right as private institutions to set their admission requirements.

Correll assumes others are stupid because they disagree with his ideology.

1. No one is arguing that they don't.

2. No, I don't. For example I don't think you are stupid because you disagree with my ideology.

I don't even think you are asshole because you disagree with my ideology.

My opinion on what type of person you are is based on your extreme rudeness and dishonesty.

You have acted with rudeness and dishonesty early on in our discussion. I have generally tried to polite and sometime I have failed. But because I disagree with you does not make me either rude or dishonest.

The point is that you are a far right reactionary, with a skewed unrealistic view of the world. I won't debate this with you, because you will lie and cry and go oh my.

Your real unhappiness is that is this: the majority of the GOP and the great majority of the rest of the electorate is that Trump is a failed candidate.

He will not be President of the United States.

 

[Correll]

The Ivy League schools have every right as private institutions to set their admission requirements.

Correll assumes others are stupid because they disagree with his ideology.

1. No one is arguing that they don't.

2. No, I don't. For example I don't think you are stupid because you disagree with my ideology.

I don't even think you are asshole because you disagree with my ideology.

My opinion on what type of person you are is based on your extreme rudeness and dishonesty.

You have acted with rudeness and dishonesty early on in our discussion. I have generally tried to polite and sometime I have failed. But because I disagree with you does not make me either rude or dishonest.

The point is that you are a far right reactionary, with a skewed unrealistic view of the world. I won't debate this with you, because you will lie and cry and go oh my.

Your real unhappiness is that is this: the majority of the GOP and the great majority of the rest of the electorate is that Trump is a failed candidate.

He will not be President of the United States.

You attempt to be polite until it serves your purpose to be rude.

Then you trot out some vile accusation and use it as an excuse to NOT defend your position.

And then you refuse to support your vile accusation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Correll, you are trolling now.

I don't care what you think. You have shown long ago that you can't think clearly.

Let's talk about the OP.

 

[candycorn]

Fig Newton belongs with Ted Cruz they both change faster than a chameleon changes its colors..

Soooo, any comment on the topic?

That Newt Gingrich is impressed impresses nobody.
That you contend that the Trump that we see is all an act is about as idiotic a stance as I have seen anyone take. Usually, you pretend to be a better person than you are in public (i.e. when people are watching) not worse.

You seem really impressed that he has his name on some buildings. Are you as equally impressed that Paris Hilton has her name on more than he does?

I don't know where you got that bit about "name on buildings", I think you might have me confused with another poster.

There is nothing else remotely remarkable about the small fraction of a man you have made your messiah outside of his inherited wealth.

If you can't look at a political enemy and see him as he really is, not how you want him to be, that is a failing on your part.

Oh brother…. Seriously do you believe a quarter of the shit you shovel?

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate. It is certain that he could, if he wished, talk at a vocabulary level that would be beyond the vast majority of voters.

He is? I thought he went to the Wharton school? Anyway, GWB was an ivy league graduate too…..that sound you hear is your asinine argument getting blown out of the water.

Instead he purposefully talks at a level that is comforttable and understandable to the vast majority of voters.

He dumbs things down for people like you; correct.

As almost all successful politicians try to do.

Except he’s not a successful politician.

In this regard, the difference between Trump and most other candidates is merely one of degree.

Yeah they largely know what they want to accomplish; Trump has zero idea.

1. "Messiah"? Your words have nothing to do with me.

2. Non answer. My point stands. If you cannot be honest about someone because you disagree with them, it is a personal failing on your part.

3.a.

List of Ivy League business schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This list of Ivy League business schools outlines the six universities of the Ivy League that host a business school. The creation of business schools at Ivy League universities occurred over a period of nearly a century, beginning with the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, founded in 1881 byJoseph Wharton, which was the first collegiate (undergraduate) business school in the world"

3b Circular reasoning. YOu assume that Bush was stupid because you disagree with him on Ideology, and use that to support your assumption that another person you disagree with on Ideology is stupid.

4. Your answer is nothing but spin. My point stands. Nearly all politicians are careful to speak in a vocabulary that does NOT intimidate their potential voters.

5. Partisan filler.

1. He is your messiah.
2. The only point you have is on your skull; you should buy a dunce cap to cover it.
3. DIdn’t know that about Wharton
3B. Bush proves that your degree has nothing to do with comm skills.
4. “I’d like to punch him” Quote from your messiah. Seriously, do you smell what you’re shoveling?

 

[JoeB131]

So that's how it went. Every cop that's murdered in America is just committing suicide and blaming it on the black guy. 5 bullets in the head at point blank range execution style is suicide to you?

And are you really do gullible? You think every German is a Nazi?

Go back and read what I actually said, and then have someone help you with the big words.

 

[JoeB131]

1. Every time we try to have a discussion on the issue, we "rednecks" try to honestly talk about the negative impact of illegal immigration.

YOur polls do not trump the Law. And those numbers are taken in the context of no honest debate on the issue for generations.

Every time we have a discussion on the issue, you guys out yourselves as a bunch of racist bigots. Which is why I don't mind having the conversation.

2. So as I said, not endorsing your spin, Dems support illegal immigration because they want votes. IF they get amnesty, they get them even sooner. There is nothing in that about being against Racism, as you earlier claimed. Their motive is pure self interest.

Um, yeah, except forgetting WHY people of color vote Democratic to start with. Because you guys have been wrong on every issue of race since 1964.

As for self-interest, you stupid fucking rednecks who vote Republican and then wonder why the 1% keep sending your jobs away or replacing you with a machine are the ones who aren't clear on that issue.

3. My meaning was clear. The fact that once upon a time a bad man lied about outsiders causing problems does not mean that outsiders never cause problems.

I'm not sure how to dumb that down any more for you. Maybe someone in your family can explain it to you?

So again, we are going to wait to see if Trump practices "Compassionate Nazism", from the same people who brought you "Compassionate Conservationism".

Usually, when someone finds a scapegoat, like Hitler did with the Jews or Trump does with the Mexicans, it's because they are trying to distract stupid people from their real problems.

4. Your bigotry against rural hardworking whites is noted.

You're stupid and your proud of it. There's nothing bigoted about pointing that out.

6. I asked you why you are in this thread, about a report from Newt about the man behind the Trump, if you are not interested in contrary information. Nothing in your post had was an answer to that.

I gave you an answer. Newt's hypocrisy, his stupidity, his incompetence, pretty much render anything he says meaningless.

 

[Liminal]

Correll, you are trolling now.

I don't care what you think. You have shown long ago that you can't think clearly.

Let's talk about the OP.

I wonder what Trump is going to do about the corrupting influence of big corporate money in politics? My guess would be that he plans to do nothing.

 

[Liminal]

 

[Correll]

Correll, you are trolling now.

I don't care what you think. You have shown long ago that you can't think clearly.

Let's talk about the OP.

I CARE that you think you can insult me continuously, and then pretend to be the wronged party when I call on you to support your vile lies.

Nothing you say on the topic is of credibility and you have shown that you have no concern about the truthfulness of the vile crap you spew.