Newt on Trump

His original comment was about Muslims, Correll Fool, he did not parse it.

That included illegals, legals, and citizens.

He walked it back, and was wise to.

He would have been wiser to not have said it.

Newt said he raised a point that we need to have a discussion on, with regard to that.

I agree with Newt on that.

I agree that the original comment, if it included not letting citizens back it was too harsh.

No additional muslims certainly makes sense in the context, as Newt pointed out, of bombs going off in Beligum airports. though.
 
Can't do it on religion.

Simply put certain nations off limits until the travelers are vetted.

That's what Carter did and it worked.
 
Correll, you are trolling now.

I don't care what you think. You have shown long ago that you can't think clearly.

Let's talk about the OP.
I wonder what Trump is going to do about the corrupting influence of big corporate money in politics? My guess would be that he plans to do nothing.

His stated platform is plenty to keep him busy for the next 8 years. It seems likely that an issue he has not put front and center will get much attention.

Course, there are several hundred people in Congress who are free to address that problem.
If only he had some history of consistency to his ill considered opinions, that might be different. Then you might actually have something to go on.
 
Can't do it on religion.

Simply put certain nations off limits until the travelers are vetted.

That's what Carter did and it worked.

Carter did it because Iran was going fundy and crazy and dangerous.

Crazy Fundy dangerous Muslims are no longer limited to Muslims majority nations, thanks to Third World Immigration to Europe.
 
Correll, you are trolling now.

I don't care what you think. You have shown long ago that you can't think clearly.

Let's talk about the OP.
I wonder what Trump is going to do about the corrupting influence of big corporate money in politics? My guess would be that he plans to do nothing.

His stated platform is plenty to keep him busy for the next 8 years. It seems likely that an issue he has not put front and center will get much attention.

Course, there are several hundred people in Congress who are free to address that problem.
If only he had some history of consistency to his ill considered opinions, that might be different. Then you might actually have something to go on.

Sooo, you are implying that he will shit can Immigration and Trade to focus on Campaign Finance Reform?

I find that very unlikely.
 
Trump, if elected to an office that he never will hold, might work on Trade. He will forget about Immigration and just as quickly about Campaign Finance Reform.
 
That Newt Gingrich is impressed impresses nobody.
That you contend that the Trump that we see is all an act is about as idiotic a stance as I have seen anyone take. Usually, you pretend to be a better person than you are in public (i.e. when people are watching) not worse.

You seem really impressed that he has his name on some buildings. Are you as equally impressed that Paris Hilton has her name on more than he does?

I don't know where you got that bit about "name on buildings", I think you might have me confused with another poster.
There is nothing else remotely remarkable about the small fraction of a man you have made your messiah outside of his inherited wealth.

If you can't look at a political enemy and see him as he really is, not how you want him to be, that is a failing on your part.
Oh brother…. Seriously do you believe a quarter of the shit you shovel?

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate. It is certain that he could, if he wished, talk at a vocabulary level that would be beyond the vast majority of voters.
He is? I thought he went to the Wharton school? Anyway, GWB was an ivy league graduate too…..that sound you hear is your asinine argument getting blown out of the water.

Instead he purposefully talks at a level that is comforttable and understandable to the vast majority of voters.
He dumbs things down for people like you; correct.

As almost all successful politicians try to do.
Except he’s not a successful politician.

In this regard, the difference between Trump and most other candidates is merely one of degree.

Yeah they largely know what they want to accomplish; Trump has zero idea.


1. "Messiah"? Your words have nothing to do with me.

2. Non answer. My point stands. If you cannot be honest about someone because you disagree with them, it is a personal failing on your part.

3.a.

List of Ivy League business schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This list of Ivy League business schools outlines the six universities of the Ivy League that host a business school. The creation of business schools at Ivy League universities occurred over a period of nearly a century, beginning with the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, founded in 1881 byJoseph Wharton, which was the first collegiate (undergraduate) business school in the world"

3b Circular reasoning. YOu assume that Bush was stupid because you disagree with him on Ideology, and use that to support your assumption that another person you disagree with on Ideology is stupid.

4. Your answer is nothing but spin. My point stands. Nearly all politicians are careful to speak in a vocabulary that does NOT intimidate their potential voters.

5. Partisan filler.

1. He is your messiah.
2. The only point you have is on your skull; you should buy a dunce cap to cover it.
3. DIdn’t know that about Wharton
3B. Bush proves that your degree has nothing to do with comm skills.
4. “I’d like to punch him” Quote from your messiah. Seriously, do you smell what you’re shoveling?


1. No, he is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.
Your messiah marginalizes you by playing you for a fool boy.

3b You think that a man elected to the most powerful office in the world was a poor communicator?
Family name and a sad opponent who ran away from 8 years of peace and prosperity).

4. Yes. If fact your answer makes me think you do not understand what I meant about vocabulary levels. Using words that your target audience, or even a significant portion of your target audience does not understand or are not comfortable using is placing a Barrier to Communication in your speech.

Nearly all successful politicians work hard to avoid doing that.

Making complex issues simplistic so people like you can understand it is one thing.
Not understanding the complexity of issues and pretending you do is another. Trump knows nothing about the Presidency and I can’t wait until HRC destroys him in the fall.
 
1. No, every time we have the discussion, you assholes use the Race Card to shut it down.

No, guy, every time we have that conversation, you guys remind us what horrible racist people you are.

"Why we should TOTALLY Deport adults who were brought here has children, even though they no longer speak the language of their native Country and are solid citizens here!"

I just point it out.

2. Shove your "compassionate Nazism" smear up you ass.

2b Perhaps instead of smearing good people with you vile lies, if you think that the groups of people in question are NOT causing real problems, then make THAT CASE, YOU ASSHOLE. If you can.

The problem is, the very fact you are saying "whole groups of people" is kind of the problem. Most undocumented workers are doing their jobs and living their lives and not causing any problems. It's not like the rednecks are lining up for those toilet cleaning jobs.

3. YOur belief that working class rural whites are stupid is a bigoted statement. That YOUR belief in, while using the Race Card constantly makes you a hypocrite.

No, guy, you are stupid because you keep voting Republican, they keep screwing you, and you do it again and again. Trump has merely reduced your white identity stupidity to its core components.

4. If you are not interested in what Newt has to say, then why are you in a thread about what Newt has to say? Just to be a dick? Your previous answer did not answer that. YOu moron.

Because people need to be reminded of who Newt is and what he did. That makes what he says unimportant.
 
Then isolate by nations. You cannot do it legally by religion, Correll.

If the law says it is wrong then the law is wrong.
Then change it.

As I believe that "law" was a court ruling, that way to do that is to start a policy that protects Americans, and when it is challenged by Liberals, fight it up to a Supreme Court that is tilted towards Patriotic Americans and not Liberals.

And there you go.:rock:
 
Trump, if elected to an office that he never will hold, might work on Trade. He will forget about Immigration and just as quickly about Campaign Finance Reform.


And that's based on what exactly? YOur gut feelings?
 
I don't know where you got that bit about "name on buildings", I think you might have me confused with another poster.
There is nothing else remotely remarkable about the small fraction of a man you have made your messiah outside of his inherited wealth.

If you can't look at a political enemy and see him as he really is, not how you want him to be, that is a failing on your part.
Oh brother…. Seriously do you believe a quarter of the shit you shovel?

Trump is a Ivy League Graduate. It is certain that he could, if he wished, talk at a vocabulary level that would be beyond the vast majority of voters.
He is? I thought he went to the Wharton school? Anyway, GWB was an ivy league graduate too…..that sound you hear is your asinine argument getting blown out of the water.

Instead he purposefully talks at a level that is comforttable and understandable to the vast majority of voters.
He dumbs things down for people like you; correct.

As almost all successful politicians try to do.
Except he’s not a successful politician.

In this regard, the difference between Trump and most other candidates is merely one of degree.

Yeah they largely know what they want to accomplish; Trump has zero idea.


1. "Messiah"? Your words have nothing to do with me.

2. Non answer. My point stands. If you cannot be honest about someone because you disagree with them, it is a personal failing on your part.

3.a.

List of Ivy League business schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This list of Ivy League business schools outlines the six universities of the Ivy League that host a business school. The creation of business schools at Ivy League universities occurred over a period of nearly a century, beginning with the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, founded in 1881 byJoseph Wharton, which was the first collegiate (undergraduate) business school in the world"

3b Circular reasoning. YOu assume that Bush was stupid because you disagree with him on Ideology, and use that to support your assumption that another person you disagree with on Ideology is stupid.

4. Your answer is nothing but spin. My point stands. Nearly all politicians are careful to speak in a vocabulary that does NOT intimidate their potential voters.

5. Partisan filler.

1. He is your messiah.
2. The only point you have is on your skull; you should buy a dunce cap to cover it.
3. DIdn’t know that about Wharton
3B. Bush proves that your degree has nothing to do with comm skills.
4. “I’d like to punch him” Quote from your messiah. Seriously, do you smell what you’re shoveling?


1. No, he is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.
Your messiah marginalizes you by playing you for a fool boy.

3b You think that a man elected to the most powerful office in the world was a poor communicator?
Family name and a sad opponent who ran away from 8 years of peace and prosperity).

4. Yes. If fact your answer makes me think you do not understand what I meant about vocabulary levels. Using words that your target audience, or even a significant portion of your target audience does not understand or are not comfortable using is placing a Barrier to Communication in your speech.

Nearly all successful politicians work hard to avoid doing that.

Making complex issues simplistic so people like you can understand it is one thing.
Not understanding the complexity of issues and pretending you do is another. Trump knows nothing about the Presidency and I can’t wait until HRC destroys him in the fall.


1. As nothing in your "answer" addressed anything in my post, here it is again. He is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.

2. I'll give you that on Gore, but Kerry was good enough to beat out 9 other candidates in 2004 and he lost too. I await your rationalization as to why that isn't evidence of anything either.

3. Right, the Ivy League Graduate can't understand complex issues.. The man who has run a multi-billion dollar business empire, the man who built a number one T.V. show, ect...

Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid or evil. That is something you believe, isn't it?

No reasonable person could reasonable disagree with you. That is also something you believe, isn't it?

And you libs claim to be open minded...:haha:
 
There is nothing else remotely remarkable about the small fraction of a man you have made your messiah outside of his inherited wealth.

Oh brother…. Seriously do you believe a quarter of the shit you shovel?

He is? I thought he went to the Wharton school? Anyway, GWB was an ivy league graduate too…..that sound you hear is your asinine argument getting blown out of the water.

He dumbs things down for people like you; correct.

Except he’s not a successful politician.

Yeah they largely know what they want to accomplish; Trump has zero idea.


1. "Messiah"? Your words have nothing to do with me.

2. Non answer. My point stands. If you cannot be honest about someone because you disagree with them, it is a personal failing on your part.

3.a.

List of Ivy League business schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This list of Ivy League business schools outlines the six universities of the Ivy League that host a business school. The creation of business schools at Ivy League universities occurred over a period of nearly a century, beginning with the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, founded in 1881 byJoseph Wharton, which was the first collegiate (undergraduate) business school in the world"

3b Circular reasoning. YOu assume that Bush was stupid because you disagree with him on Ideology, and use that to support your assumption that another person you disagree with on Ideology is stupid.

4. Your answer is nothing but spin. My point stands. Nearly all politicians are careful to speak in a vocabulary that does NOT intimidate their potential voters.

5. Partisan filler.

1. He is your messiah.
2. The only point you have is on your skull; you should buy a dunce cap to cover it.
3. DIdn’t know that about Wharton
3B. Bush proves that your degree has nothing to do with comm skills.
4. “I’d like to punch him” Quote from your messiah. Seriously, do you smell what you’re shoveling?


1. No, he is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.
Your messiah marginalizes you by playing you for a fool boy.

3b You think that a man elected to the most powerful office in the world was a poor communicator?
Family name and a sad opponent who ran away from 8 years of peace and prosperity).

4. Yes. If fact your answer makes me think you do not understand what I meant about vocabulary levels. Using words that your target audience, or even a significant portion of your target audience does not understand or are not comfortable using is placing a Barrier to Communication in your speech.

Nearly all successful politicians work hard to avoid doing that.

Making complex issues simplistic so people like you can understand it is one thing.
Not understanding the complexity of issues and pretending you do is another. Trump knows nothing about the Presidency and I can’t wait until HRC destroys him in the fall.


1. As nothing in your "answer" addressed anything in my post, here it is again. He is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.

Perhaps if you’d learn to use the quote feature, I’d know what you’re talking about. I wouldn’t care any additional amount but at least I’d know why I’m laughing at you this time.



2. I'll give you that on Gore, but Kerry was good enough to beat out 9 other candidates in 2004 and he lost too. I await your rationalization as to why that isn't evidence of anything either.
I’ll let you think about whether most people vote on a single issues like communication skills and discern your own answer.

3. Right, the Ivy League Graduate can't understand complex issues.. The man who has run a multi-billion dollar business empire, the man who built a number one T.V. show, ect…
Apparently not.

I’ve dispatched Vigilante on this question. I’ll aim it at you now:

He says he is going to strengthen the US Military. We already spend more than the next 5 or 6 nations combined and are the strongest military in the history of the planet. Please tell us how he will do that and how that will strengthen the apparatus.

This is just for starters…

Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid or evil. That is something you believe, isn't it?
In your case, just stupid.

If the guy you support is classless; calling Mexicans rapist, insinuating a woman is on her period, making fun of a man with a birth defect….

And you still support someone who has done this—and that is not in dispute—what does that say about his supporters? I mean, you’re not going to sit there and say that he didn’t do those things are you?
 
1. No, every time we have the discussion, you assholes use the Race Card to shut it down.

No, guy, every time we have that conversation, you guys remind us what horrible racist people you are.

"Why we should TOTALLY Deport adults who were brought here has children, even though they no longer speak the language of their native Country and are solid citizens here!"

I just point it out.

2. Shove your "compassionate Nazism" smear up you ass.

2b Perhaps instead of smearing good people with you vile lies, if you think that the groups of people in question are NOT causing real problems, then make THAT CASE, YOU ASSHOLE. If you can.

The problem is, the very fact you are saying "whole groups of people" is kind of the problem. Most undocumented workers are doing their jobs and living their lives and not causing any problems. It's not like the rednecks are lining up for those toilet cleaning jobs.

3. YOur belief that working class rural whites are stupid is a bigoted statement. That YOUR belief in, while using the Race Card constantly makes you a hypocrite.

No, guy, you are stupid because you keep voting Republican, they keep screwing you, and you do it again and again. Trump has merely reduced your white identity stupidity to its core components.

4. If you are not interested in what Newt has to say, then why are you in a thread about what Newt has to say? Just to be a dick? Your previous answer did not answer that. YOu moron.

Because people need to be reminded of who Newt is and what he did. That makes what he says unimportant.


1. If we were not so overwhelmed we could afford to be more generous for some special cases. But your side of this debate has squandered our generosity on cheap labor and cheap votes. Now it is exhausted and NOW you want to talk about the children? BUllshit. And still, bullshit Race Card play on your part.

Screw you, asshole.

2. Immigration laws are written for "whole groups of people". That you take my saying that as "evidence" of racism, is part of the problem. And I've known plenty of working class whites who have taken and were glad to have jobs like that. And would be even gladder if the wages for those jobs would rise. Hell, back in the day, I had some jobs like that. And was glad to have them.

3. My reasons for voting Republican are as valid as your reasons for voting for Democrat. Your need to marginalize them and me is just your fear of having to defend and advance your policies and positions based on their merits, or lack there off. And you being a jerk.

4. FDR locked American Citizens in concentration camps. DOes that invalidate what he had to say about Social Security? Or about the need to fight Nazi Germany?
 
If the guy you support is classless; calling Mexicans rapist, insinuating a woman is on her period, making fun of a man with a birth defect….

And you still support someone who has done this—and that is not in dispute—what does that say about his supporters? I mean, you’re not going to sit there and say that he didn’t do those things are you?
He didn't say Mexicans were rapists, you're a liar. What does that say about YOU? I'm more concerned about the economy and driving the country into the sewer than your butthurtness.
 
1. "Messiah"? Your words have nothing to do with me.

2. Non answer. My point stands. If you cannot be honest about someone because you disagree with them, it is a personal failing on your part.

3.a.

List of Ivy League business schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This list of Ivy League business schools outlines the six universities of the Ivy League that host a business school. The creation of business schools at Ivy League universities occurred over a period of nearly a century, beginning with the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, founded in 1881 byJoseph Wharton, which was the first collegiate (undergraduate) business school in the world"

3b Circular reasoning. YOu assume that Bush was stupid because you disagree with him on Ideology, and use that to support your assumption that another person you disagree with on Ideology is stupid.

4. Your answer is nothing but spin. My point stands. Nearly all politicians are careful to speak in a vocabulary that does NOT intimidate their potential voters.

5. Partisan filler.

1. He is your messiah.
2. The only point you have is on your skull; you should buy a dunce cap to cover it.
3. DIdn’t know that about Wharton
3B. Bush proves that your degree has nothing to do with comm skills.
4. “I’d like to punch him” Quote from your messiah. Seriously, do you smell what you’re shoveling?


1. No, he is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.
Your messiah marginalizes you by playing you for a fool boy.

3b You think that a man elected to the most powerful office in the world was a poor communicator?
Family name and a sad opponent who ran away from 8 years of peace and prosperity).

4. Yes. If fact your answer makes me think you do not understand what I meant about vocabulary levels. Using words that your target audience, or even a significant portion of your target audience does not understand or are not comfortable using is placing a Barrier to Communication in your speech.

Nearly all successful politicians work hard to avoid doing that.

Making complex issues simplistic so people like you can understand it is one thing.
Not understanding the complexity of issues and pretending you do is another. Trump knows nothing about the Presidency and I can’t wait until HRC destroys him in the fall.


1. As nothing in your "answer" addressed anything in my post, here it is again. He is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.

Perhaps if you’d learn to use the quote feature, I’d know what you’re talking about. I wouldn’t care any additional amount but at least I’d know why I’m laughing at you this time.



2. I'll give you that on Gore, but Kerry was good enough to beat out 9 other candidates in 2004 and he lost too. I await your rationalization as to why that isn't evidence of anything either.
I’ll let you think about whether most people vote on a single issues like communication skills and discern your own answer.

3. Right, the Ivy League Graduate can't understand complex issues.. The man who has run a multi-billion dollar business empire, the man who built a number one T.V. show, ect…
Apparently not.

I’ve dispatched Vigilante on this question. I’ll aim it at you now:

He says he is going to strengthen the US Military. We already spend more than the next 5 or 6 nations combined and are the strongest military in the history of the planet. Please tell us how he will do that and how that will strengthen the apparatus.

This is just for starters…

Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid or evil. That is something you believe, isn't it?
In your case, just stupid.

If the guy you support is classless; calling Mexicans rapist, insinuating a woman is on her period, making fun of a man with a birth defect….

And you still support someone who has done this—and that is not in dispute—what does that say about his supporters? I mean, you’re not going to sit there and say that he didn’t do those things are you?


1. Lame dodge.

2. I OBVIOUSLY was not claiming that the people were voting FOR communication skills, but that the act of winning a presidential campaign demonstrated good communications skills. Thus you use of GWBush as a reason to dismiss an Ivy League Education as evidence of intelligence/communication skills is debunked by his victory over the serious opponent John Kerry. And YOUR intelligence is called into question.

3. If you think that comparing budgets is the way to judge military strength, then you just demonstrated that you don't understand complex issues.

4. Weak dodge. I asked you if you believe that about everyone who disagrees with you. You do don't you? But you didn't want to admit that because you realize it would make you look ridiculous.
 
If the guy you support is classless; calling Mexicans rapist, insinuating a woman is on her period, making fun of a man with a birth defect….

And you still support someone who has done this—and that is not in dispute—what does that say about his supporters? I mean, you’re not going to sit there and say that he didn’t do those things are you?
He didn't say Mexicans were rapists, you're a liar. What does that say about YOU? I'm more concerned about the economy and driving the country into the sewer than your butthurtness.


They lie a lot, because they know that the Truth is not on their side.

And yet, it never occurs to them that that means they are wrong...

Liberals: All the self awareness of a turnip.
 
1. He is your messiah.
2. The only point you have is on your skull; you should buy a dunce cap to cover it.
3. DIdn’t know that about Wharton
3B. Bush proves that your degree has nothing to do with comm skills.
4. “I’d like to punch him” Quote from your messiah. Seriously, do you smell what you’re shoveling?


1. No, he is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.
Your messiah marginalizes you by playing you for a fool boy.

3b You think that a man elected to the most powerful office in the world was a poor communicator?
Family name and a sad opponent who ran away from 8 years of peace and prosperity).

4. Yes. If fact your answer makes me think you do not understand what I meant about vocabulary levels. Using words that your target audience, or even a significant portion of your target audience does not understand or are not comfortable using is placing a Barrier to Communication in your speech.

Nearly all successful politicians work hard to avoid doing that.

Making complex issues simplistic so people like you can understand it is one thing.
Not understanding the complexity of issues and pretending you do is another. Trump knows nothing about the Presidency and I can’t wait until HRC destroys him in the fall.


1. As nothing in your "answer" addressed anything in my post, here it is again. He is a politician who happens to have a political platform that closely matches my own. Your need to spin it as something that it is not, is you trying to marginalize me so that you don't have to make your case on it's own merits.

Perhaps if you’d learn to use the quote feature, I’d know what you’re talking about. I wouldn’t care any additional amount but at least I’d know why I’m laughing at you this time.



2. I'll give you that on Gore, but Kerry was good enough to beat out 9 other candidates in 2004 and he lost too. I await your rationalization as to why that isn't evidence of anything either.
I’ll let you think about whether most people vote on a single issues like communication skills and discern your own answer.

3. Right, the Ivy League Graduate can't understand complex issues.. The man who has run a multi-billion dollar business empire, the man who built a number one T.V. show, ect…
Apparently not.

I’ve dispatched Vigilante on this question. I’ll aim it at you now:

He says he is going to strengthen the US Military. We already spend more than the next 5 or 6 nations combined and are the strongest military in the history of the planet. Please tell us how he will do that and how that will strengthen the apparatus.

This is just for starters…

Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid or evil. That is something you believe, isn't it?
In your case, just stupid.

If the guy you support is classless; calling Mexicans rapist, insinuating a woman is on her period, making fun of a man with a birth defect….

And you still support someone who has done this—and that is not in dispute—what does that say about his supporters? I mean, you’re not going to sit there and say that he didn’t do those things are you?


1. Lame dodge.
Call it what you want….since you’re supporting Trump, it’s no surprise that you can’t figure out how to quote someone.

3. If you think that comparing budgets is the way to judge military strength, then you just demonstrated that you don't understand complex issues.
Again, the ball is in your court….tell us how he is going to make the military stronger. You can’t can you….it’s okay. Neither can he.

4. Weak dodge. I asked you if you believe that about everyone who disagrees with you. You do don't you? But you didn't want to admit that because you realize it would make you look ridiculous.

I believe you are mentally ill or just basic pond scum if you support a man who:

Calls Mexicans rapists
Makes fun of a man who has birth defects
Insinuates a female reporter is on her period

You support such a man
The fact that he has done all of the above (and many more things)….is not in dispute.
 

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