NFL National Anthem Controversy Summed Up

[Mac1958]

Let us review.

Mac says that the protest can be resolved by listening, understanding, cooperating.

As I understand it the protest WAS in response to perceived racial injustice. i.e. unarmed blacks being shot by police. So I wait to listen to the solution to that problem. I believe it has already been addressed but I am more then willing to be told why it has not.

Now the protest is about what Trump said and protecting the NFL brand. Too funny going from justice warriors to fighting for the rich man.

Okay, I'm wrong.

"Beat" the "other side".

Let me know when you're done. I'll wait here.
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Funny thing, both sides say you are wrong, so you united us.

Yep. As I point out in my sig. Thanks for noticing.
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[Freewill]

I get your point but your style doesn't always convey the neutrality you think it might.

I dunno. I'm definitely frustrated and concerned. The way stuff comes across online may not always be accurate.
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That is true.
Lately I've tried to start on middle ground and work out from there but there is soon a tsunami of crap that overwhelms any point.

Yeah. It can certainly be like grade school around here, and this thread is certainly no exception.

It does seem to me, though, that this behavior is spreading through our culture pretty rapidly.
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I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.
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Maybe consider the common denominator.

 

[Mac1958]

I dunno. I'm definitely frustrated and concerned. The way stuff comes across online may not always be accurate.
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That is true.
Lately I've tried to start on middle ground and work out from there but there is soon a tsunami of crap that overwhelms any point.

Yeah. It can certainly be like grade school around here, and this thread is certainly no exception.

It does seem to me, though, that this behavior is spreading through our culture pretty rapidly.
.

I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.
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Maybe consider the common denominator.

I'm sure you're right. Your side always is.
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[rightwinger]

Are you one of the millions of Americans without access to food or water?

Who doesn't have access to food & water? Good Lord.

Millions of Puerto Ricans

Trump should be using the office of the President to call attention to the suffering in Puerto Rico instead of engaging in a silly war with the NFL

Trump administration faces pressure to speed up recovery efforts in Puerto Rico

Til they get the ports repaired, they can only do so much

Trump is using his office to rally opposition to black protesters in the NFL rather than the need for national involvement in rescuing/rebuilding Puerto Rico

It is a case of priorities

read the link, moron

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/20...to-speed-up-recovery-efforts-in-puerto-rico/n

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[bodecea]

now - why do i feel it's changing? because under obama you could not speak out against people doing this. you were railroaded, the social justice warriors went out in force and came after you and flooded your pages with their hate. but when advertisers get into this, it simply tells you where the money. that is going to drive so much of this.

now - in the aftermath of the weekend, we have:

Von Miller Ads Being Pulled After Anthem Protest
will von miller still believe in the change he can effect by kneeling down after it costs him actual money? an NFL player has a limited lifespan and opportunity to pull in the big $$$. von miller is one of the best in the NFL to be sure but he just got taken down a peg. again, under obama no way would these ads be pulled.

NFL’s Sponsors Tiptoe Around Trump’s Latest Twitter Fight

before the advertisers would speak out loud and proud about the kneeling and support for minorities. now? ads being pulled, companies taking the "middle ground" to see what develops before it does in fact cost them $$$ to go one way or another. this in itself is a change.

the NFL is now losing sponsors.
NFL broadcasts lose Viagra, Cialis as major advertisers

some were losing their ad revenue last year - so it had already began:
This NFL Player Lost 2 Endorsement Deals for National Anthem Protests

to be clear - i DO NOT think trump should have said a damn thing. i hated it when obama had to weigh his nappy ass into every social situation so i hate it also when trump does it. *this* is where the divide comes from as we see our "leaders" argue, fight and divide and demand THEIR way - we reflect that.

the NFL has a serious change to make. the question is - how much power do SJW's still have today? that "power" is shrinking but rest assured these people spending millions on advertising will be conducting a no holds barred surveys w/o any care of predetermination. they just do not want to waste money or turn a bigger fan base away.

i think by now we know who the bigger base is. just not as vocal until you get them good and pissed off and politicizing the NFL has done it.

they should lose all sponsors i can drink coke over pepsi i can eat hardies instead of McDonalds

it is all quite simple really

But they are sponsors too.

 

[Freewill]

Eight years of a half Black democrat president and the Country is in worse shape racially than it was before Obama. What the hell happened?

white people like you freaked out and elected a crazy Nazi most of us didn't want.

It was in all the papers.

And liberal crusaders like yourself elected a president we didn't want. I doubt there is a Republican you would like and there damn well isn't a democrat I like.

 

[Auld Phart]

I found it with no problem at all

Trump administration faces pressure to speed recovery efforts in Puerto Rico

 

[Freewill]

That is true.
Lately I've tried to start on middle ground and work out from there but there is soon a tsunami of crap that overwhelms any point.

Yeah. It can certainly be like grade school around here, and this thread is certainly no exception.

It does seem to me, though, that this behavior is spreading through our culture pretty rapidly.
.

I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.
.

Maybe consider the common denominator.

I'm sure you're right. Your side always is.
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More derisive BS from the King of BS.

I am listening, tell me what the protest on Sunday was all about and why it went from a few to many. Why did the Ravens knee for the US anthem then stand, in respect, for the British anthem. Which again is really funny considering Britain's role in slavery. I contend there would not have been slavery in the US without the British.

 

[Mac1958]

Yeah. It can certainly be like grade school around here, and this thread is certainly no exception.

It does seem to me, though, that this behavior is spreading through our culture pretty rapidly.
.

I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.
.

Maybe consider the common denominator.

I'm sure you're right. Your side always is.
.

More derisive BS from the King of BS.

I am listening, tell me what the protest on Sunday was all about and why it went from a few to many. Why did the Ravens knee for the US anthem then stand, in respect, for the British anthem. Which again is really funny considering Britain's role in slavery. I contend there would not have been slavery in the US without the British.

I'm the King of BS. No need to ask me anything.
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[Freewill]

I agree. I blame technology. We all do this anonymously rather than get together in person. It's far more difficult to uncivil when face to face.

Well, I've pretty much given up trying to have normal conversations online. It happens now and then, but I don't expect it.

I'm concerned that I'm seeing these behaviors more and more in real life. This is far more cultural now.
.

Maybe consider the common denominator.

I'm sure you're right. Your side always is.
.

More derisive BS from the King of BS.

I am listening, tell me what the protest on Sunday was all about and why it went from a few to many. Why did the Ravens knee for the US anthem then stand, in respect, for the British anthem. Which again is really funny considering Britain's role in slavery. I contend there would not have been slavery in the US without the British.

I'm the King of BS. No need to ask me anything.
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Sorry King I will STFU that is what you and the NFL want. I'll just listen for the answers that never seem to come.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

You are the one being all high and mighty. I don't have a solution nor control over the situation. What in the hell do those highly paid athletes, playing a game expect white America to do that has not already been done.

So get you magic 8 ball out and tell us what you want done by white America.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way. We're just not as angry and loud as you folks are.

What worries me is that you have to ask someone else what to do here. Since I already know that my answer - communicate, listen, understand, cooperate - is not your cup of tea, I don't have any other ideas for you.
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Initially I was appalled at this story concerning the NFL ( and said so) but after seeing that poll last night and thinking about the house divided analogy and then reading your thread this morning, Mac, I can clearly see that the right course of action is not to play the game because there are no winners and it is only drawing us nearer to our own destruction. I appreciate your insightful thread, Mac. Thank you.

Much appreciated. A few here don't agree with you, that's for sure.


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I believe your thread serves as a timely warning to get out of the path of destruction and go to higher ground immediately. The problem is, Mac, many people do not recognize the danger that we're in. Neither did these people prior to a 3 wave Tsunami. This video serves as analogy / lesson of what happens when people refuse to believe those who sound the alarm warning of danger ahead (because they can't see it at the time). It's one of the most devastating videos I have ever seen and it reminds me somewhat of America (on a smaller scale) and the attitude of many I see here on this thread. They won't believe it until it is too late.

I don't know if we don't see what we're doing to ourselves, or if we've just become so hateful and narcissistic that we somehow think our "side" can "win". Or maybe nihilism is seeping in, and we're all so angry that we just to see it all burn. If that's the case, I'd be curious to know what the root cause is.
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Mac, I believe that you answered part of the equation when you mentioned "humility." The other part of the equation (I believe) is this nation turning to God even as Nineveh did and repenting but I do not see that happening. I believe it will run its course until the full judgment of God is poured out on this nation. Sometimes that is what it takes. 150 comments on this thread and people are still insisting they are right rather than listening. I do have faith in God that His judgments will not be a random event. God is in full control and He sees the end from the beginning. He's not late, just long suffering that none would perish. What keeps a person from seeing what is so self evident concerning the state of our nation? A hardened heart. Obviously that is not the case with you and to that I say, Thank God.

 

[Theowl32]

I don't want to take away from the furious outrage that has once again gripped the country (this time over some guys in shoulder pads making a "statement"), but I'd just like to point out that this it's just another symptom of a much larger problem.

This country is fractured, it's in pieces, and it's a self-inflicted wound.

We can blame the "other guys" all we want, but our words and actions are our own. NO ONE is making us behave this way.

Those who want to see us divided are winning, big, and we're just being willing, obedient sheep in the whole thing.

We've become so controlled and paralyzed by our egos and our dogma and our rage that we've completely lost each other. And worse, we're willing participants. I wonder if we'll wake up before it's too late.
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The victimology strategy used by the democrats via the mass media, entertainment industry and educational system is to blame.

If you can't see the desperate attempt by those institutions to keep any and all groups to feel like victims, then you are blind.

How the hell do minority millionaires believe in their minds that they are still victims. Can you even hear their voices over the sound of their V12 Bentley engines?

Police kill blacks around 1 PERCENT of the time in this country and the msm hypes it every time. Why do you suppose our schools don't teach about the white slave trade on the Barbary coast? Why do you suppose black history month never refers to the trans Sahara slave trade? Omitting information is a very effective way to manipulate.

You can't see who is responsible for that? You can't see why we are where we are? The biggest threat to the large black vote (90%) goes to party of slavery, was a successful black man and the thought they finally made it. Why do you suppose under his presidency the racial divide became so great? BLM under obama, created for a reason. The hype of cops killing blacks and false narrative of Ferguson which directly led to what we are seeing now in the NFL all a part of it.

Can't see it? Yeah, you can. I have read where you acknowledged it.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way. We're just not as angry and loud as you folks are.

What worries me is that you have to ask someone else what to do here. Since I already know that my answer - communicate, listen, understand, cooperate - is not your cup of tea, I don't have any other ideas for you.
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Initially I was appalled at this story concerning the NFL ( and said so) but after seeing that poll last night and thinking about the house divided analogy and then reading your thread this morning, Mac, I can clearly see that the right course of action is not to play the game because there are no winners and it is only drawing us nearer to our own destruction. I appreciate your insightful thread, Mac. Thank you.

Much appreciated. A few here don't agree with you, that's for sure.


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I believe your thread serves as a timely warning to get out of the path of destruction and go to higher ground immediately. The problem is, Mac, many people do not recognize the danger that we're in. Neither did these people prior to a 3 wave Tsunami. This video serves as analogy / lesson of what happens when people refuse to believe those who sound the alarm warning of danger ahead (because they can't see it at the time). It's one of the most devastating videos I have ever seen and it reminds me somewhat of America (on a smaller scale) and the attitude of many I see here on this thread. They won't believe it until it is too late.

I don't know if we don't see what we're doing to ourselves, or if we've just become so hateful and narcissistic that we somehow think our "side" can "win". Or maybe nihilism is seeping in, and we're all so angry that we just to see it all burn. If that's the case, I'd be curious to know what the root cause is.
.

Mac, I believe that you answered part of the equation when you mentioned "humility." The other part of the equation (I believe) is this nation turning to God even as Nineveh did and repenting but I do not see that happening. I believe it will run its course until the full judgment of God is poured out on this nation. Sometimes that is what it takes. 150 comments on this thread and people are still insisting they are right rather than listening. I do have faith in God that His judgments will not be a random event. God is in full control and He sees the end from the beginning. He's not late, just long suffering that none would perish. What keeps a person from seeing what is so self evident concerning the state of our nation? A hardened heart. Obviously that is not the case with you and to that I say, Thank God.

Ultimately this rests in our hands. And as you can see from the responses from both ends, we're not terribly close.
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[NightFox]

If you're interested in solving the problem, treat the exceptions on a case by case basis and draw conclusions about each based on the unvarnished evidence from a holistic standpoint while disregarding what the propaganda pumpers carefully cherry pick, filter and mangle pursuant to serving their own agendas.

The problem is even the "Exceptions" are treated like they are no big deal.

They're treated like they are "no big deal" (by many) because the propaganda pushers that have a vested interest in characterizing them as "no big deal" are just as effective at distorting reality as the propaganda pushers that characterize the police departments as professional African American hunters.

Your viewpoint will depend on which propaganda outlet(s) you prefer and that preference is far too often determined based on which one(s) feed your confirmation bias, nobody wants to accept evidence or conclusions that don't feed that bias and the propaganda pushers are right there to spin up reasons why they shouldn't.

 

[9thIDdoc]

The NFL players are doing what they feel is right, protesting how police act towards the citizens...The cops have decided to ignore complaints and so we have national protest...It's nothing new...We have had to protest their actions before and they need to get the message that just because they are law enforcement they do not get to act in any manner they so please..

I'm more of an opinion that the NFL players are acting like a bunch of spoiled brats throwing childish temper tantrums. Disrespecting the flag in no way protests the police or anything else.

 

[MindWars]

There is a ton of news about what the current NFL protests mean, politically speaking. For the moment, I’m leaving that out. I want to take a different angle.
Trump Goes to War with NFL: What Happened

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We can assume the left will never understand what the true meaning of " INFOWAR" even means and how severely it is being used to play them. Gawd you are real suckers.

 

[Fang]

There is a ton of news about what the current NFL protests mean, politically speaking. For the moment, I’m leaving that out. I want to take a different angle.
Trump Goes to War with NFL: What Happened

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We can assume the left will never understand what the true meaning of " INFOWAR" even means and how severely it is being used to play them. Gawd you are real suckers.

The players are protesting to prove they have a right to protest. Not sure what else it would be about.

 

[Toro]

What happened was that he exacerbated the situation, caused even more players to kneel, and demonstrated once again that he is the most divisive President of the last 100 years.

 

[MindWars]

 

[pullURpantsup]

Is there honestly anything that black people haven't ruined?