No historical Jesus

[Thunderbird]

He taught his faith, Judaism.

Judaism does not for the most part prize forgiveness and charity for all.

Look at your quotes:
26. To love all human beings who are of the covenant
34. Not to curse any other Israelite
Why not treat everyone well, instead of just those in your own ethnic group?

Judaism is characterized by absurd legalism and ethnic chest-pounding.

Jesus was often critical of Judaism, the Pharisees for example.

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law
37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”

45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”

46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

 

[Steven_R]

Later Christian scholars made him dour and nasty, but the gospels portray a kind forgiving man with a sense of humor and a taste for silly puns

 

[Indeependent]

He taught his faith, Judaism.

Judaism does not for the most part prize forgiveness and charity for all. Judaism is characterized instead by absurd legalism and ethnic chest-pounding.

Jesus was often critical of Judaism, the Pharisees for example.

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law
37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”

45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”

46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

You are quoting the Jew Hating TNT.
Now find like verses in The Jewish Scriptures.
But wait! You can't because Paul Of Tarsus was a Full Of Shit, self-hating, Roman Ass Licking, Jew.

 

[Indeependent]

Jesus to me is the amalgamation of several texts. He died in 30 ad during the reign of Tiberius and his adherents were annoying to Claudius and Nero. It makes sense his adherents were annoying Roman authorities during the time of Josephes.

One of the sources for Jesus was his contemporary, Hilliel. There are several places in the gospels which seem direct quotes from Hilliel.

Later Christian scholars made him dour and nasty, but the gospels portray a kind forgiving man with a sense of humor and a taste for silly puns

TNT paints Jesus as a whiny, nasty bastard which is why Southern Baptist Bible Believers are whiny, nasty bastard.
Don't take my word for it. read TNT.

 

[Steven_R]

He taught his faith, Judaism.

Judaism does not for the most part prize forgiveness and charity for all. Judaism is characterized instead by absurd legalism and ethnic chest-pounding.

Jesus was often critical of Judaism, the Pharisees for example.

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law
37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”

45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”

46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

You are quoting the Jew Hating TNT.
Now find like verses in The Jewish Scriptures.
But wait! You can't because Paul Of Tarsus was a Full Of Shit, self-hating, Roman Ass Licking, Jew.

Don't forget the sexual hang-ups he had about women and sin and women and whatnot and women.

Dude had some serious issues that he hung on his cult. Early Christianity would have been so much better off telling Paul to take a hike.

 

[Searcher44]

No religion is proven by concrete evidence: all religion is based on faith. It is ludicrous for one religion to try to prove the lack of validity in another. All religions are based on faith: they are faith based. For any religious person who bases their religion on the existence of God to try negate another religion is ludicrous: there is no evidence for the existence of god, any god.

I am not a Christian, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, etc. I am not religious at all. Not an atheist, not an agnostic. I am a free thinker: religion is not any part of my make up or world view.

What I object to in this thread is the logical fallacy, the premise that one can object to the validity of another religion when they themselves belong to and adhere to the beliefs of another religion based on things that are not proven with concrete evidence. Judaism and all, ALL, religions are faith based. The premise of the thread lacks logic, in total.

I agree with you until the last paragraph.
This thread and my postings have nothing to do with the validity of Christianity.

Same for me, my only intent was to question whether a scholars work could be compromised by being a "believer". I am more open to a scholar who has no affiliation.

Again, most scholars agree, religious or not, that Jesus existed. This question emerged long ago among anti-Christians who thunk it up as a good argument against Christianity. It relies on the fact that Jesus was unpopular in his time, and thus, there is not a lot of documented accounts. What few there may have been were likely destroyed by people who wanted to wipe out Christianity in the early days. Christians were hated and despised.. that's why they crucified Jesus.

May be a stretch for an analogy here but if sometime in the distant future, someone was trying to confirm the existence of Malcolm X... wouldn't find any mention of him in textbooks of the 60s or any legislators talking about him or much public record to show he existed. He was a radical and we know he existed but because of who he was, there just isn't a lot of information to prove his existence in the 60s if you're looking back from 2,000 years ahead. Yes, I know, we do have birth records and such, but he wasn't born Malcolm X... so how could anything be confirmed?

Now I don't want to start an argument over Malcolm X, that's not the purpose of the analogy... I am trying to convey the point that Jesus was not a popular figure in his time. This explains the lack of record partially, but the other part is the cleansing of the records of anything Christian which took place after his crucifixion.

Let's say a person called Jesus existed. Let's say he was an incredible teacher.
Let's he had Powers to somehow cure some sick people (like televangelists today claim to have). That still doesn't make him the messiah. "Messiah" is a Jewish term and prophecy and every Jewish scholar I've read said the Christian claim that Jesus was the messiah has no corroboration in their scriptures, the OT. The story of Christ in the NT in no way matches the Jewish description or prophecies so the validity of "the Christ" of Christian myth as the Messiah is in truth devastatingly diminished. Thus the portrayal of Jesus as "divine" is gravely damaged and questionable as him being the Messiah is a large part of the story that led to his deification.

In the same way, the validity of Judaism, or any religion based in a belief in a god or gods, is 'gravely damaged' and 'devastatingly diminished' as there is no basis in the belief there is a god. This is just silly, trying to undermine another religion when your own is completely faith based. You are living in a glass house and throwing stones.

I don't have a religion, unless you're one of those screwballs who think atheism is a religion.

 

[Indeependent]

He taught his faith, Judaism.

Judaism does not for the most part prize forgiveness and charity for all. Judaism is characterized instead by absurd legalism and ethnic chest-pounding.

Jesus was often critical of Judaism, the Pharisees for example.

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law
37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”

45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”

46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

You are quoting the Jew Hating TNT.
Now find like verses in The Jewish Scriptures.
But wait! You can't because Paul Of Tarsus was a Full Of Shit, self-hating, Roman Ass Licking, Jew.

Don't forget the sexual hang-ups he had about women and sin and women and whatnot and women.

Dude had some serious issues that he hung on his cult. Early Christianity would have been so much better off telling Paul to take a hike.

Ad hominems are not required when discussing Jesus as Historical Figure.
(But don't tell that to Alex!)

 

[shimon]

Now I know what Boss...I am well aware about many things the letter J being one huge discrepancy as you can not call upon a name that did not exist until only a few centuries ago.....what. i am pointing out is that there are far too many discrepancies, distortions out and out lies to believe anything regarding the exsistence of Jesus and even if by some miracle this persona exsisited and was not the amalgamation of many different people and myths it doesnt matter because we are not to put our trust in men esp the claim that he took your remission of sins going against ezekiel 18 :20-22 to just name one place...Someone is lying and someone is telling the the truth it is up to us as individuals to figure it out and not be conned....

 

[Steven_R]

Now I know what Boss...I am well aware about many things the letter J being one huge discrepancy as you can not call upon a name that did not exist until only a few centuries ago.....

Don't forget that time the I-J problem nearly cost Indy his life.

 

[Indeependent]

Now I know what Boss...I am well aware about many things the letter J being one huge discrepancy as you can not call upon a name that did not exist until only a few centuries ago.....what. i am pointing out is that there are far too many discrepancies, distortions out and out lies to believe anything regarding the exsistence of Jesus and even if by some miracle this persona exsisited and was not the amalgamation of many different people and myths it doesnt matter because we are not to put our trust in men esp the claim that he took your remission of sins going against ezekiel 18 :20-22 to just name one place...Someone is lying and someone is telling the the truth it is up to us as individuals to figure it out and not be conned....

The BIG lie of the Christianity Machine is to only teach SELECTED verses.
I have respect for those who read every verse and have faith in Jesus.

 

[jillian]

As a matter of fact, there were several guys named Jesus preaching around the same time. Maybe the bible is talking about the wrong one?

i don't know that that's true... but there were an awful lot calling themselves messiah who thought they could liberate jerusalem. those guys suffered the same fate as the person known as jesus.

Apparently, the name Yeshua, though always a rare name, especially given the advent of "Saint Paul", does appear in the Talmud at several different time periods prior to circa 4 BCE.

do you think yeshua was an uncommon name? jeshua fit the battle of jericho, no? the jesus/yeshua doesn't fit any of the prophesies. but as an historic figure, obviously he's significant.

 

[HaShev]

you realize that the letter J has only been around for a few centuries

You do realize that English language didn't exist in Biblical times, right?

If I went back in my time machine and asked people where I could find Jesus, they would just look at me funny... even if it was Jesus. The language spoken was completely different. But when we are discussing something, in English, in 2015... we use English words that have been translated.

Now you know.

you realize that the letter J has only been around for a few centuries

You do realize that English language didn't exist in Biblical times, right?

If I went back in my time machine and asked people where I could find Jesus, they would just look at me funny... even if it was Jesus. The language spoken was completely different. But when we are discussing something, in English, in 2015... we use English words that have been translated.

Now you know.

So think about what you said carefully.
Is it not why it says in the Tanakh that you will blot out the name?
Doesn't further error occur from misstranslating and transliterating words and thus meanings?
By not knowing Hebrew how do you know the fulfilled prerequisites of Moshiach being in the
temple (MIKdash) , and that the name would be in
the MIKra (the Bible), and that his name and essence would be in the Holy city YeruShalem
why they said the names would be in the Torah portion Like Miketz.
or that in cleansing from death the name is in the Mikvah.
Jesus isn't in any of those and unless you know Hebrew you do not know the Biblical Moshiach. Without proper transliteration you also don't secret the last name nor find it in plain sote in verses with the first name and Messianic roles.
Which is why people covet the first fallen false messiah instead of the Shiloh.

 

[Indeependent]

As a matter of fact, there were several guys named Jesus preaching around the same time. Maybe the bible is talking about the wrong one?

i don't know that that's true... but there were an awful lot calling themselves messiah who thought they could liberate jerusalem. those guys suffered the same fate as the person known as jesus.

Apparently, the name Yeshua, though always a rare name, especially given the advent of "Saint Paul", does appear in the Talmud at several different time periods prior to circa 4 BCE.

do you think yeshua was an uncommon name? jeshua fit the battle of jericho, no? the jesus/yeshua doesn't fit any of the prophesies. but as an historic figure, obviously he's significant.

Yehoshua, son of Nun, was Moshe Rabbeinu's student who fought the battle of Yericho.
Yeshua is named shared by, if I remember correctly, 3 figures in the Talmud, who all lived during vastly different time periods.
"Saint" Paul was Saul of Tarsus who actually, and I don't remember where, reveals himself as a confidence artist who will says what he needs to say to gain a following.
Paul, the supposed author of most of TNT was not incredibly literate and neither were his followers who may have copied each other's copies of the journeys of Yeshua.
There are NO concrete prophecies in TNT.

 

[Penelope]

He taught his faith, Judaism.

Judaism does not for the most part prize forgiveness and charity for all. Judaism is characterized instead by absurd legalism and ethnic chest-pounding.

Jesus was often critical of Judaism, the Pharisees for example.

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law
37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”

45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”

46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

You are quoting the Jew Hating TNT.
Now find like verses in The Jewish Scriptures.
But wait! You can't because Paul Of Tarsus was a Full Of Shit, self-hating, Roman Ass Licking, Jew.

Jew hating TNT, since Jew was not a word back then, it was you Hebrews who hated everyone , remember?

 

[hadit]

One notes a singular obsession displayed by the OP.

 

[Boss]

Now I know what Boss...I am well aware about many things the letter J being one huge discrepancy as you can not call upon a name that did not exist until only a few centuries ago.....what. i am pointing out is that there are far too many discrepancies, distortions out and out lies to believe anything regarding the exsistence of Jesus and even if by some miracle this persona exsisited and was not the amalgamation of many different people and myths it doesnt matter because we are not to put our trust in men esp the claim that he took your remission of sins going against ezekiel 18 :20-22 to just name one place...Someone is lying and someone is telling the the truth it is up to us as individuals to figure it out and not be conned....

Again... the letter J has absolutely nothing to do with this. Everything is translated into English. It's not a discrepancy it's a translation from Hebrew.

I can't argue theology... I am not a Christian believer or scholar. I have read some books and I have read the Bible, but I don't believe everything in the Bible and I certainly don't take things literally. I read with the understanding that it has been translated into English from Hebrew. It has been modified by different people... King James of England being one. Whether the events in the Bible are all true or not, has not a damn thing in the world to do with whether a certain man existed. Whether he was the Messiah or not... again, has nothing to do with whether he existed. Is Christianity true? ....Nothing to do with whether or not Jesus existed! All of those are valid argument one can make but the existence of Jesus is well documented by historians and scholars who have substantial evidence that he did certainly exist and he most certainly NOT a composite.

 

[Indeependent]

He taught his faith, Judaism.

Judaism does not for the most part prize forgiveness and charity for all. Judaism is characterized instead by absurd legalism and ethnic chest-pounding.

Jesus was often critical of Judaism, the Pharisees for example.

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law
37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 38 But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.

39 Then the Lord said to him, “Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

44 “Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.”

45 One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”

46 Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.

47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

52 “Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”

53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

You are quoting the Jew Hating TNT.
Now find like verses in The Jewish Scriptures.
But wait! You can't because Paul Of Tarsus was a Full Of Shit, self-hating, Roman Ass Licking, Jew.

Jew hating TNT, since Jew was not a word back then, it was you Hebrews who hated everyone , remember?

Jew comes from the Tribe of Yehudah, the largest Tribe left over after the Roman Conquest of Israel.
Probably some bastardized version of Yehudah.
Please show where Hebrews hated everyone.

 

[shimon]

Name the scholars Boss...I will give you another discrepancy Jesus is called Jesus of Nazareth and yet nazareth was not built until many years after his supposed birth how do we as logical being explain that could it be that itwas made up and told many years after the fact ...could we not say that certain people pushed an agenda ..How can we be certain that other things supposedly attributed to this man are not also fabricated and embellished including his very exsistance....

 

[Indeependent]

Name the scholars Boss...I will give you another discrepancy Jesus is called Jesus of Nazareth and yet nazareth was not built until many years after his supposed birth how do we as logical being explain that could it be that itwas made up and told many years after the fact ...could we not say that certain people pushed an agenda ..How can we be certain that other things supposedly attributed to this man are not also fabricated and embellished including his very exsistance....

Boss has a history of NEVER giving in to the topics he admits he knows little about.

 

[Boss]

i beg to disagree some people have recorded their lineages and they go back thousands of years even further back then two thousand years...If Jesus was so important and he exsisted then those people would have kept records as well....The stories are embellishments, fables and a mish mash of conjecture...Even the gospels contradict each other...No at the best it is a tale tale at the most it is a bald faced lie and it has become accepted as truth even though there is no proof whatsoever...Regardless people just accept it either because they have group pride and affiliation or they are brainwashed or they are just too lazy to figure things out for themselves....

They DID keep records! It's mostly the New Testament now! But there is a video on YouTube from a guy who presents non-religious evidence of Jesus' existence. People have written books about it as well... all of this is being dismissed.

I'm not here to defend the Gospels, this debate is strictly over whether or not Jesus existed. Your own common sense should tell you that he must have. How in the hell could someone who never existed, have been so widely written about in such detail and have such a profound effect on humanity for 2,000 years? In the past, there have always been skeptics of whether Jesus was the Messiah or could do miracles... but the notion of Jesus not existing is relatively new and it comes about because we're now 2,000 years removed from the time.

Waxing bullshit again?
He was written about by ONE GUY at least 30 years AFTER the event.
In fact, TNT was a MAJOR fail until the Counsel of Nicaea 300 years LATER.
Damn, don't you do ANY research before posting?

No... He was written about by ALL of his apostles. Before, during and after his life. I am not here to argue the validity of the Holy Bible. That is a completely different argument and you keep trying to introduce it in order to refute my argument that Jesus existed. It's getting really annoying.

What I keep seeing happen here is... you want to use your credentials to bully others into believing your opinion as fact. I have no problem with you saying that you don't believe the Christians who claim Jesus existed because you don't trust their evidence. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.... it's when you start trying to demand that we accept this as a FACT that I have a problem. You've not proven your case and you can't prove it. You keep trying to prove it by flaunting your credentials and poo-pooing Christianity, and that won't do the trick.