No Negotiations Until Federal Gov Opens

[Lesh]

you left out the democrats took out what reagan wanted in putting penalties on hiring illegals.

Please document that because it's a significant issue if true

 

[jc456]

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

well looking back through the "discussion" we got sidetracked when i made a general statement about the hate in america today. i was't really referring to the wall, russia, hillary, trump or anything else.

i was just meaning the overall climate of hate we live in day by day. i don't hate the dude at the grocery store and i have no idea what his views are. but we get online or a "hot" topic comes up, we hate anyone who doesn't feel like we do.

i don't group people up into labels and try to take things as they come, individually. that doesn't always work out well for me, no. but i view that as a proper way to do things. by knowing you on this forum i wouldn't presume to know your life or what you face day to day, unless you've chosen to share. so when someone puts forth a single viewpoint, i don't put them as liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, transgender or the like. it's 1 viewpoint not all encompassing. i think we move past "let me get to know you" to "you fucking libtard/conass!!!" or the like.

we miss an awful lot about people making assumptions based off "insufficient data" to do so. but we do it anyway. (myself included more than i do like). and if that 1 trait is something we hate we now hate the person because of 1 trait. i don't want to be judged so quickly (but it happens) so i never try to judge anyone in a manner i won't hold myself to.

that seems to be a problem but that's fine. it's me and you can classify it however you like. but it doesn't mean i *am* that generic person you lobbed in a group out of convenience or that i love this country any less.

well it is a message board, and in this forum politics. And people who are passionate about politics come here. There are many on the right and many on the left and several are stuck in the middle. Don't get that, but it happens and I accept it.

and no, we don't know if we are the grocer or the server or the bartender, all we know is what is published daily here. and after a qualifying time, one can make assumptions. there are patterns in here. and only in here. You were always rather reasonable, you actually encouraged some refrain on my side. Thanks for that.

There is but one america even though the left wish to make it two. And only the left try to make it two. And that is all my point.

one is either for america or not. don't want the border wall left, then explain why not. It's been asked by many and all they can answer is cause walls don't work. Dude, how fking immature of an answer. So now they wish to call us lower than deplorables. It's only insult after insult by leftists. never do they answer. Never.

I'm done with leftists. pure and simple. I've asked a thousand questions since I've come in here and not one has ever been answered by a leftist. EVER. Ask lesh a question, she/ he won't answer, he/she will insult you or devert the conversation off topic. it's all they do. it's hilarious. most time's I play along and then I get posts deleted. That was the play though, to get me banned. Evil.

Server at a restaurant, I don't know, and I don't care in here.

You went way off base today in here. I'll apologize for perhaps being a little overzealous, but dude, you went someplace today I never thought I'd see you go. Maybe I misread it and why I'll apologize.

I'll stop there. have a good night.

 

[toobfreak]

No Negotiations Until Federal Gov Opens

Then in which case there will be no need to negotiate. Dems will have what they want and Trump will have gotten nothing.

 

[candycorn]

well, in looking at other pics of the israel wall, i learned more about it all anyway. you're making me do some homework, gator!

Israel’s Wall

"It is part wall, part fence. Out in the countryside it is mostly a wire fence with razor wire, a ditch and electronic sensors. In town and city it is mostly a concrete wall up to 8 metres high, with graffiti and watchtowers. Pope Francis stopped at the wall in Bethlehem to pray. Barack Obama did not."

so saying LOOK AT ISRAEL is only partially correct. they don't have a wall around everything either. WWZ or not. the ones they do have are focused around the immediate area and then done.

what i also found interesting is that according to this article, israel is building the wall on land NOT their own. need to go dig up more history here if i get time today and research this for myself.

.
Iceberg....

Isreal built the wall to secure areas in the West Bank that they didn't own... It is a complicated internal politics between Israelis and the Illegal Settlers...

Lets start with one thing... If the wall is built on US land then asylum seekers can just walk up to the walk and ask for asylum and under US law they have to be taken in and given the opportunity of defending their claim in court. So those Caravans are let in...

Visa over stays will still happen and the wall won't protect against that...

The fence in place right now about 700 miles of it cost about $7.5bn and it costs about $1bn a year to maintain... It divides Communities and not alway Mexican and Americans, sometimes Americans and Americans... A wall is very effective at dividing communities, remember 1 million people cross the border a day. Inflicting a wall to people in just Big Government crap... They have been living there for generations with no barriers in there communities, now the Government is coming along and dividing people and telling them were they can go...

Also there is the small detail of us having this southern border situation for about 60 years and during that time....there was never any crisis; in fact our nation thrived.

But some orange blob comes along and tells you there is a crisis and these idiots believe it. If you examine the pre-trump posting history, the border is rarely brought up.

It’s as funny as it is sad.

 

[LoneLaugher]

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

What, exactly, is Iceberg asking Trump to do? I'm unclear on that part.

i wasn't asking him (trump) to do anything. i just said there's enough hate out there and i wish we could find better ways to get things done than threats and bullshit politics.

it went sideways from there.

What do you propose?

i'd love to see the dems put back on the table the wall plan they had in 2006 as a starting point. if obama and co were ok with it then, why not now. but i also am not a BUILD A WALL proponent. i'd rather fix the reasons that cause illegal immigration than build a wall and hope they go away.

where would walls along the border be most effective and where can we tone it down and/or use technology as well to stop illegals. OF WHICH i most certainly want to do.

but again - i understand they conservatives don't want to compromise because of what happened to reagan. but as i also said, i tend to take things individually so i'd try again and continue to work with people to fix the core issue. we've just gotten far too political these days and that is hurting us, not helping.

What wall plan? There was never a wall plan.

 

[LoneLaugher]

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

well looking back through the "discussion" we got sidetracked when i made a general statement about the hate in america today. i was't really referring to the wall, russia, hillary, trump or anything else.

i was just meaning the overall climate of hate we live in day by day. i don't hate the dude at the grocery store and i have no idea what his views are. but we get online or a "hot" topic comes up, we hate anyone who doesn't feel like we do.

i don't group people up into labels and try to take things as they come, individually. that doesn't always work out well for me, no. but i view that as a proper way to do things. by knowing you on this forum i wouldn't presume to know your life or what you face day to day, unless you've chosen to share. so when someone puts forth a single viewpoint, i don't put them as liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, transgender or the like. it's 1 viewpoint not all encompassing. i think we move past "let me get to know you" to "you fucking libtard/conass!!!" or the like.

we miss an awful lot about people making assumptions based off "insufficient data" to do so. but we do it anyway. (myself included more than i do like). and if that 1 trait is something we hate we now hate the person because of 1 trait. i don't want to be judged so quickly (but it happens) so i never try to judge anyone in a manner i won't hold myself to.

that seems to be a problem but that's fine. it's me and you can classify it however you like. but it doesn't mean i *am* that generic person you lobbed in a group out of convenience or that i love this country any less.

I know right. You're so measured and fair. I wanna be more like you.

you've got a long way to go but hey, good to have goals.

I'll never get there. I have integrity.

 

[iceberg]

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

well looking back through the "discussion" we got sidetracked when i made a general statement about the hate in america today. i was't really referring to the wall, russia, hillary, trump or anything else.

i was just meaning the overall climate of hate we live in day by day. i don't hate the dude at the grocery store and i have no idea what his views are. but we get online or a "hot" topic comes up, we hate anyone who doesn't feel like we do.

i don't group people up into labels and try to take things as they come, individually. that doesn't always work out well for me, no. but i view that as a proper way to do things. by knowing you on this forum i wouldn't presume to know your life or what you face day to day, unless you've chosen to share. so when someone puts forth a single viewpoint, i don't put them as liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, transgender or the like. it's 1 viewpoint not all encompassing. i think we move past "let me get to know you" to "you fucking libtard/conass!!!" or the like.

we miss an awful lot about people making assumptions based off "insufficient data" to do so. but we do it anyway. (myself included more than i do like). and if that 1 trait is something we hate we now hate the person because of 1 trait. i don't want to be judged so quickly (but it happens) so i never try to judge anyone in a manner i won't hold myself to.

that seems to be a problem but that's fine. it's me and you can classify it however you like. but it doesn't mean i *am* that generic person you lobbed in a group out of convenience or that i love this country any less.

well it is a message board, and in this forum politics. And people who are passionate about politics come here. There are many on the right and many on the left and several are stuck in the middle. Don't get that, but it happens and I accept it.

and no, we don't know if we are the grocer or the server or the bartender, all we know is what is published daily here. and after a qualifying time, one can make assumptions. there are patterns in here. and only in here. You were always rather reasonable, you actually encouraged some refrain on my side. Thanks for that.

There is but one america even though the left wish to make it two. And only the left try to make it two. And that is all my point.

one is either for america or not. don't want the border wall left, then explain why not. It's been asked by many and all they can answer is cause walls don't work. Dude, how fking immature of an answer. So now they wish to call us lower than deplorables. It's only insult after insult by leftists. never do they answer. Never.

I'm done with leftists. pure and simple. I've asked a thousand questions since I've come in here and not one has ever been answered by a leftist. EVER. Ask lesh a question, she/ he won't answer, he/she will insult you or devert the conversation off topic. it's all they do. it's hilarious. most time's I play along and then I get posts deleted. That was the play though, to get me banned. Evil.

Server at a restaurant, I don't know, and I don't care in here.

You went way off base today in here. I'll apologize for perhaps being a little overzealous, but dude, you went someplace today I never thought I'd see you go. Maybe I misread it and why I'll apologize.

I'll stop there. have a good night.

i think our conversations started from different places and never recovered.

there's a lot of people here on the left i simply ignore. i can't handle their 24x7 snark-trolling. when i remove ignore i remind myself why i ignore them usually. but i have a hard time with absolutes and both sides are digging in for THEIR absolutes and i don't like where that is going and simply wish for a time in my own past when we as a country were much better at handling our disagreements.

i could well be wrong there too. but i know i can dig in also - did it just as much in this thread. we're all human.

peace out for now.

 

[iceberg]

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

well looking back through the "discussion" we got sidetracked when i made a general statement about the hate in america today. i was't really referring to the wall, russia, hillary, trump or anything else.

i was just meaning the overall climate of hate we live in day by day. i don't hate the dude at the grocery store and i have no idea what his views are. but we get online or a "hot" topic comes up, we hate anyone who doesn't feel like we do.

i don't group people up into labels and try to take things as they come, individually. that doesn't always work out well for me, no. but i view that as a proper way to do things. by knowing you on this forum i wouldn't presume to know your life or what you face day to day, unless you've chosen to share. so when someone puts forth a single viewpoint, i don't put them as liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, transgender or the like. it's 1 viewpoint not all encompassing. i think we move past "let me get to know you" to "you fucking libtard/conass!!!" or the like.

we miss an awful lot about people making assumptions based off "insufficient data" to do so. but we do it anyway. (myself included more than i do like). and if that 1 trait is something we hate we now hate the person because of 1 trait. i don't want to be judged so quickly (but it happens) so i never try to judge anyone in a manner i won't hold myself to.

that seems to be a problem but that's fine. it's me and you can classify it however you like. but it doesn't mean i *am* that generic person you lobbed in a group out of convenience or that i love this country any less.

I know right. You're so measured and fair. I wanna be more like you.

you've got a long way to go but hey, good to have goals.

I'll never get there. I have integrity.

good deal. i was worried about that for awhile.

 

[iceberg]

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

What, exactly, is Iceberg asking Trump to do? I'm unclear on that part.

i wasn't asking him (trump) to do anything. i just said there's enough hate out there and i wish we could find better ways to get things done than threats and bullshit politics.

it went sideways from there.

What do you propose?

i'd love to see the dems put back on the table the wall plan they had in 2006 as a starting point. if obama and co were ok with it then, why not now. but i also am not a BUILD A WALL proponent. i'd rather fix the reasons that cause illegal immigration than build a wall and hope they go away.

where would walls along the border be most effective and where can we tone it down and/or use technology as well to stop illegals. OF WHICH i most certainly want to do.

but again - i understand they conservatives don't want to compromise because of what happened to reagan. but as i also said, i tend to take things individually so i'd try again and continue to work with people to fix the core issue. we've just gotten far too political these days and that is hurting us, not helping.

What wall plan? There was never a wall plan.

with reagan i never said there was. you and your integrity need to keep up.

 

[candycorn]

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

well looking back through the "discussion" we got sidetracked when i made a general statement about the hate in america today. i was't really referring to the wall, russia, hillary, trump or anything else.

i was just meaning the overall climate of hate we live in day by day. i don't hate the dude at the grocery store and i have no idea what his views are. but we get online or a "hot" topic comes up, we hate anyone who doesn't feel like we do.

i don't group people up into labels and try to take things as they come, individually. that doesn't always work out well for me, no. but i view that as a proper way to do things. by knowing you on this forum i wouldn't presume to know your life or what you face day to day, unless you've chosen to share. so when someone puts forth a single viewpoint, i don't put them as liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, transgender or the like. it's 1 viewpoint not all encompassing. i think we move past "let me get to know you" to "you fucking libtard/conass!!!" or the like.

we miss an awful lot about people making assumptions based off "insufficient data" to do so. but we do it anyway. (myself included more than i do like). and if that 1 trait is something we hate we now hate the person because of 1 trait. i don't want to be judged so quickly (but it happens) so i never try to judge anyone in a manner i won't hold myself to.

that seems to be a problem but that's fine. it's me and you can classify it however you like. but it doesn't mean i *am* that generic person you lobbed in a group out of convenience or that i love this country any less.

well it is a message board, and in this forum politics. And people who are passionate about politics come here. There are many on the right and many on the left and several are stuck in the middle. Don't get that, but it happens and I accept it.

and no, we don't know if we are the grocer or the server or the bartender, all we know is what is published daily here. and after a qualifying time, one can make assumptions. there are patterns in here. and only in here. You were always rather reasonable, you actually encouraged some refrain on my side. Thanks for that.

There is but one america even though the left wish to make it two. And only the left try to make it two. And that is all my point.

one is either for america or not. don't want the border wall left, then explain why not. It's been asked by many and all they can answer is cause walls don't work. Dude, how fking immature of an answer. So now they wish to call us lower than deplorables. It's only insult after insult by leftists. never do they answer. Never.

I'm done with leftists. pure and simple. I've asked a thousand questions since I've come in here and not one has ever been answered by a leftist. EVER. Ask lesh a question, she/ he won't answer, he/she will insult you or devert the conversation off topic. it's all they do. it's hilarious. most time's I play along and then I get posts deleted. That was the play though, to get me banned. Evil.

Server at a restaurant, I don't know, and I don't care in here.

You went way off base today in here. I'll apologize for perhaps being a little overzealous, but dude, you went someplace today I never thought I'd see you go. Maybe I misread it and why I'll apologize.

I'll stop there. have a good night.

Okay here is a question...where is Mexico’s payment for a wall?

Perhaps you’ll be good enough to provide an example on how to answer a question?

Show us where Mexico took money out of their treasury and deposited in ours. Can you do that? Can you show us how we will ever be able to coerce, cajole, or even trick them into spending their revenue on a wall in our nation?

Tariffs are taxes on imports. Not applicable.
Withholding our money is not applicable.
Taxing people over here is not applicable.
Siezing drugs or drug dealers revenue isn’t funds from the Mexican government.

This is all revenue but it’s not from Mexico.

So please lead by example. Answer the question.

 

[jc456]

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope not at all. not sure what it proves. we know he paid taxes, if that's what you need to know, you even know how much on one return, and it still didn't satisfy you. so it isn't about that either. now it's just tds.

 

[iceberg]

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope. don't care if obama or anyone else does either. until it becomes a requirement they have to, it's just stupid rats looking for cheese.

note to self - stop hitting "show ignored" cause gods gift to the idiots have come along now...

 

[jc456]

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

i don't disagree with you when dealing with "extreme" left but to say NO ONE ON THE LEFT WILL COMPROMISE isn't something i believe in as a whole picture.

that said, i do hope trump holds his ground here cause those on the "extreme left" cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

cause using reagans experience as an example, he gave them what they wanted in amnesty and they backed out of the agreement and didn't give him the tighter border control he was after. (not a wall as far as i know).

You make my point. Remember my Reagan statement in an earlier post? too funny, you make my argument that the left, extreme or whatever, again, in the face of extreme left, there is no other left left, they reneg on all deals. they are evil people. I have history on my side. kkk ring a bell? Sanctuary cities? dude, the mere fact you call GOP equal to that evil is too far for me.

well looking back through the "discussion" we got sidetracked when i made a general statement about the hate in america today. i was't really referring to the wall, russia, hillary, trump or anything else.

i was just meaning the overall climate of hate we live in day by day. i don't hate the dude at the grocery store and i have no idea what his views are. but we get online or a "hot" topic comes up, we hate anyone who doesn't feel like we do.

i don't group people up into labels and try to take things as they come, individually. that doesn't always work out well for me, no. but i view that as a proper way to do things. by knowing you on this forum i wouldn't presume to know your life or what you face day to day, unless you've chosen to share. so when someone puts forth a single viewpoint, i don't put them as liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, transgender or the like. it's 1 viewpoint not all encompassing. i think we move past "let me get to know you" to "you fucking libtard/conass!!!" or the like.

we miss an awful lot about people making assumptions based off "insufficient data" to do so. but we do it anyway. (myself included more than i do like). and if that 1 trait is something we hate we now hate the person because of 1 trait. i don't want to be judged so quickly (but it happens) so i never try to judge anyone in a manner i won't hold myself to.

that seems to be a problem but that's fine. it's me and you can classify it however you like. but it doesn't mean i *am* that generic person you lobbed in a group out of convenience or that i love this country any less.

well it is a message board, and in this forum politics. And people who are passionate about politics come here. There are many on the right and many on the left and several are stuck in the middle. Don't get that, but it happens and I accept it.

and no, we don't know if we are the grocer or the server or the bartender, all we know is what is published daily here. and after a qualifying time, one can make assumptions. there are patterns in here. and only in here. You were always rather reasonable, you actually encouraged some refrain on my side. Thanks for that.

There is but one america even though the left wish to make it two. And only the left try to make it two. And that is all my point.

one is either for america or not. don't want the border wall left, then explain why not. It's been asked by many and all they can answer is cause walls don't work. Dude, how fking immature of an answer. So now they wish to call us lower than deplorables. It's only insult after insult by leftists. never do they answer. Never.

I'm done with leftists. pure and simple. I've asked a thousand questions since I've come in here and not one has ever been answered by a leftist. EVER. Ask lesh a question, she/ he won't answer, he/she will insult you or devert the conversation off topic. it's all they do. it's hilarious. most time's I play along and then I get posts deleted. That was the play though, to get me banned. Evil.

Server at a restaurant, I don't know, and I don't care in here.

You went way off base today in here. I'll apologize for perhaps being a little overzealous, but dude, you went someplace today I never thought I'd see you go. Maybe I misread it and why I'll apologize.

I'll stop there. have a good night.

Okay here is a question...where is Mexico’s payment for a wall?

Perhaps you’ll be good enough to provide an example on how to answer a question?

Show us where Mexico took money out of their treasury and deposited in ours. Can you do that? Can you show us how we will ever be able to coerce, cajole, or even trick them into spending their revenue on a wall in our nation?

Tariffs are taxes on imports. Not applicable.
Withholding our money is not applicable.
Taxing people over here is not applicable.
Siezing drugs or drug dealers revenue isn’t funds from the Mexican government.

This is all revenue but it’s not from Mexico.

So please lead by example. Answer the question.

hey brick, you aren't worth my time. you aren't honest enough for me to waste the time I have.

If you don't know how money is recovered without getting checks, it isn't going to help you for me to explain it to you. someone already posted it in here and here you are asking. see?

 

[iceberg]

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope not at all. not sure what it proves. we know he paid taxes, if that's what you need to know, you even know how much on one return, and it still didn't satisfy you. so it isn't about that either. now it's just tds.

it's not a requirement to run for office so drop it. they're simply inventing shit to whine about at this point and reminding me again to stop hitting "show ignored".

until it becomes a requirement to run, i simply don't care. if an issue was there i believe the IRS would find it. lord knows they find any mistakes i make.

 

[Bush92]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

The government workers laid off of considered “nonessential personal.” Tells me they are dead weight and need to be laid off completely. Cut out some government waste.

 

[edward37]

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope not at all. not sure what it proves. we know he paid taxes, if that's what you need to know, you even know how much on one return, and it still didn't satisfy you. so it isn't about that either. now it's just tds.

it's not a requirement to run for office so drop it. they're simply inventing shit to whine about at this point and reminding me again to stop hitting "show ignored".

until it becomes a requirement to run, i simply don't care. if an issue was there i believe the IRS would find it. lord knows they find any mistakes i make.

Do they find out if you launder money ? Of course our honest president would never think of that

 

[jc456]

well, in looking at other pics of the israel wall, i learned more about it all anyway. you're making me do some homework, gator!

Israel’s Wall

"It is part wall, part fence. Out in the countryside it is mostly a wire fence with razor wire, a ditch and electronic sensors. In town and city it is mostly a concrete wall up to 8 metres high, with graffiti and watchtowers. Pope Francis stopped at the wall in Bethlehem to pray. Barack Obama did not."

so saying LOOK AT ISRAEL is only partially correct. they don't have a wall around everything either. WWZ or not. the ones they do have are focused around the immediate area and then done.

what i also found interesting is that according to this article, israel is building the wall on land NOT their own. need to go dig up more history here if i get time today and research this for myself.

.
Iceberg....

Isreal built the wall to secure areas in the West Bank that they didn't own... It is a complicated internal politics between Israelis and the Illegal Settlers...

Lets start with one thing... If the wall is built on US land then asylum seekers can just walk up to the walk and ask for asylum and under US law they have to be taken in and given the opportunity of defending their claim in court. So those Caravans are let in...

Visa over stays will still happen and the wall won't protect against that...

The fence in place right now about 700 miles of it cost about $7.5bn and it costs about $1bn a year to maintain... It divides Communities and not alway Mexican and Americans, sometimes Americans and Americans... A wall is very effective at dividing communities, remember 1 million people cross the border a day. Inflicting a wall to people in just Big Government crap... They have been living there for generations with no barriers in there communities, now the Government is coming along and dividing people and telling them were they can go...

Also there is the small detail of us having this southern border situation for about 60 years and during that time....there was never any crisis; in fact our nation thrived.

But some orange blob comes along and tells you there is a crisis and these idiots believe it. If you examine the pre-trump posting history, the border is rarely brought up.

It’s as funny as it is sad.

if there was never a crisis, why did we need to give amnesty so many times? you all crack me up with the little knowledge you have about our country. Ever hear of the Alamo? fk I cannot tolerate your kind of stupid. there just is no thinking at all.

 

[iceberg]

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope not at all. not sure what it proves. we know he paid taxes, if that's what you need to know, you even know how much on one return, and it still didn't satisfy you. so it isn't about that either. now it's just tds.

it's not a requirement to run for office so drop it. they're simply inventing shit to whine about at this point and reminding me again to stop hitting "show ignored".

until it becomes a requirement to run, i simply don't care. if an issue was there i believe the IRS would find it. lord knows they find any mistakes i make.

Do they find out if you launder money ? Of course our honest president would never think of that

they certainly found a mistake i made and ensure i paid what i owed +penalty.

are you going to talk to me or THROUGH me to bitch at trump? this obsession you have is pretty fucking pathetic, dude. i swear at times i think you're the pussy trump was grabbing.

 

[jc456]

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope not at all. not sure what it proves. we know he paid taxes, if that's what you need to know, you even know how much on one return, and it still didn't satisfy you. so it isn't about that either. now it's just tds.

it's not a requirement to run for office so drop it. they're simply inventing shit to whine about at this point and reminding me again to stop hitting "show ignored".

until it becomes a requirement to run, i simply don't care. if an issue was there i believe the IRS would find it. lord knows they find any mistakes i make.

Do they find out if you launder money ? Of course our honest president would never think of that

no they don't. Taxes don't show where money was laundered, that takes an investigation after someone is shown a crime was committed. perhaps if you did some investigative work you'd actually learn why a tax return is. just saying, you ain't the brightest bulb in the pack.

 

[LoneLaugher]

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.

When can we expect the check from Mexico? Next Tuesday?

When trump shows his taxes

oh my fucking god. is that todays #? trumps taxes?

when it becomes a fucking requirement to be in office i'll worry about it. in fact, i'd agree that anyone who runs for public office NEEDS to provide to the government (not us) their tax history and ensure they are ok. obama had a shitload of people he appointed who never paid their taxes. did you give a horse fuck then?

Appointed? Shitload?

You are awesome. You don't think Trump ought to release his tax returns? Really? You don't care?

nope. don't care if obama or anyone else does either. until it becomes a requirement they have to, it's just stupid rats looking for cheese.

note to self - stop hitting "show ignored" cause gods gift to the idiots have come along now...

You put people on iggy?

Are you a snowflake?

Trump told us we would see his tax returns. That made their release a requirement. For those with integrity, that is.